Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?

2017-09-06 Thread TheOreoMonster 
I seem to remember reading that avid added a track list table and some other 
stuff to Pro Tools First in the latest update so may be worth another look from 
an accessibility stand point. Also some of the cloud only limitations have been 
lifted. 
  
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly, and from what I hear, it's not the greatest, or am I wrong.
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Slau Halatyn 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?
>> 
>> He was asking about Pro Tools First, a product based on Pro Tools but with 
>> stripped down features and interface.
>> > On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Andre Woods > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Protools is most certainly accessible. You  are in the right place!!!   
>> > Garage band is cool, but using protools and flo tools, which is a set of 
>> > macros  created to make the work flow a lot easier.  I learned the basics 
>> > in protools by a group of instructors who are also visually impared.  It 
>> > is an 8 week class for blimd individuals that will teach you the basic 
>> > fundamentals. Let me know if you want more imfo. I can get you commected 
>> > with the right people .
>> > 
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>> >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rory McDonald > >> > wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Hey,
>> >> I think i've joined on 2 emails, if its possible to leave the group on my 
>> >> gmail then i will do that.
>> >> Anyways, i'm planning to buy pro tools at some point, but since i'm 
>> >> coming from garage band i figured i'd try out pro tools first. However, 
>> >> i've heard that pro tools first isn't fully accessible, is this true? If 
>> >> so, how useable is it, is it easy enough to use that i can learn the avid 
>> >> interface?
>> >> Also i can't seem to figure out how to install it. There was a link thaat 
>> >> took me to a bunch of things like creating an avid account and an ILock 
>> >> ID, but after all that all i installed was avid cloud. Anyone know how i 
>> >> download and instal pro tools first if its usable? 
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Re: unable to drag tracks

2017-09-06 Thread Slau Halatyn 
Ah, sorry, I misread the message. I thought you were having trouble dragging 
clips to the track. OK, understood.
The problem you're facing might be related to the number of tracks rather than 
the track width. Even the narrowest setting of 80 points isn't a problem when 
dragging tracks. However, if you have more tracks than will actually display 
within the track list table visually, you might be clicking on a track that is 
technically outside the boundary of the visible list. This can also be a 
problem if you happened to have dragged a track down to the bottom of the list. 
In a case like that, the table automatically scrolls. The result is that, 
although VoiceOver sees the top track in the list, in reality, the first 
visible track might be the third or fifth or twentieth track, depending on the 
number of tracks, your screen size, etc.
One thing you can do to make sure the track list table is scrolled to the top 
is to navigate to the Track List pop-up button, move 20 points straight down 
and click the mouse once or twice. This will have the effect of clicking at the 
top of the scroll bar. Technically, you can also click the down and up scroll 
arrows by navigating to the Group List pop-up and moving 20 points up for the 
down arrow and 20 more points up for the up arrow. I've put in for a feature 
request that would use the Page Up and Down keys along with modifiers to 
function for the Track List, Group List and Clips List. We'll see if those get 
included in the near future.
Hope that helps,
Slau

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Stefan Albertshauser  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Slau,
> 
> I have the issue, when I want to sort tracks in the tracks list. The clipp 
> dragging works fine.
> Stefan
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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>> Am 06.09.2017 um 13:02 schrieb Slau Halatyn :
>> 
>> Hi Stefan,
>> Flo Tools compensates for any width so it doesn't matter how wide the Clips 
>> list is. Of course, you realize that it can sometimes take several attempts 
>> but it does work. What results are you getting? Is Flo Toos reporting that 
>> the drag failed? Are you sure that the track to which you are dragging is 
>> truly visible in the timeline? Try hiding the other tracks and see if that 
>> helps.
>> Slau
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:29 AM, Stefan Albertshauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Since yesterday, I’m not able anymore to drag tracks in the track list. How 
>>> wide should it be?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Stefan
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Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?

2017-09-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Exactly, and from what I hear, it's not the greatest, or am I wrong.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:03 AM
  Subject: Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?


  He was asking about Pro Tools First, a product based on Pro Tools but with 
stripped down features and interface.
  > On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Andre Woods  wrote:
  > 
  > Protools is most certainly accessible. You  are in the right place!!!   
Garage band is cool, but using protools and flo tools, which is a set of macros 
 created to make the work flow a lot easier.  I learned the basics in protools 
by a group of instructors who are also visually impared.  It is an 8 week class 
for blimd individuals that will teach you the basic fundamentals. Let me know 
if you want more imfo. I can get you commected with the right people .
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rory McDonald  wrote:
  >> 
  >> Hey,
  >> I think i've joined on 2 emails, if its possible to leave the group on my 
gmail then i will do that.
  >> Anyways, i'm planning to buy pro tools at some point, but since i'm coming 
from garage band i figured i'd try out pro tools first. However, i've heard 
that pro tools first isn't fully accessible, is this true? If so, how useable 
is it, is it easy enough to use that i can learn the avid interface?
  >> Also i can't seem to figure out how to install it. There was a link thaat 
took me to a bunch of things like creating an avid account and an ILock ID, but 
after all that all i installed was avid cloud. Anyone know how i download and 
instal pro tools first if its usable? 
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Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?

2017-09-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
But, they're asking about ProTools First, not the full fledged ProTools, or, is 
it still accessible, though.
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?




  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Andre Woods  wrote:
  > 
  > Protools is most certainly accessible. You  are in the right place!!!   
Garage band is cool, but using protools and flo tools, which is a set of macros 
 created to make the work flow a lot easier.  I learned the basics in protools 
by a group of instructors who are also visually impared.  It is an 8 week class 
for blimd individuals that will teach you the basic fundamentals. Let me know 
if you want more imfo. I can get you commected with the right people .
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rory McDonald  wrote:
  >> 
  >> Hey,
  >> I think i've joined on 2 emails, if its possible to leave the group on my 
gmail then i will do that.
  >> Anyways, i'm planning to buy pro tools at some point, but since i'm coming 
from garage band i figured i'd try out pro tools first. However, i've heard 
that pro tools first isn't fully accessible, is this true? If so, how useable 
is it, is it easy enough to use that i can learn the avid interface?
  >> Also i can't seem to figure out how to install it. There was a link thaat 
took me to a bunch of things like creating an avid account and an ILock ID, but 
after all that all i installed was avid cloud. Anyone know how i download and 
instal pro tools first if its usable? 
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Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?

2017-09-06 Thread Slau Halatyn 
He was asking about Pro Tools First, a product based on Pro Tools but with 
stripped down features and interface.
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Andre Woods  wrote:
> 
> Protools is most certainly accessible. You  are in the right place!!!   
> Garage band is cool, but using protools and flo tools, which is a set of 
> macros  created to make the work flow a lot easier.  I learned the basics in 
> protools by a group of instructors who are also visually impared.  It is an 8 
> week class for blimd individuals that will teach you the basic fundamentals. 
> Let me know if you want more imfo. I can get you commected with the right 
> people .
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rory McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,
>> I think i've joined on 2 emails, if its possible to leave the group on my 
>> gmail then i will do that.
>> Anyways, i'm planning to buy pro tools at some point, but since i'm coming 
>> from garage band i figured i'd try out pro tools first. However, i've heard 
>> that pro tools first isn't fully accessible, is this true? If so, how 
>> useable is it, is it easy enough to use that i can learn the avid interface?
>> Also i can't seem to figure out how to install it. There was a link thaat 
>> took me to a bunch of things like creating an avid account and an ILock ID, 
>> but after all that all i installed was avid cloud. Anyone know how i 
>> download and instal pro tools first if its usable? 
>> 
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Re: Pro tools first, is it accessible?

2017-09-06 Thread Rory McDonald 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Andre Woods  wrote:
> 
> Protools is most certainly accessible. You  are in the right place!!!   
> Garage band is cool, but using protools and flo tools, which is a set of 
> macros  created to make the work flow a lot easier.  I learned the basics in 
> protools by a group of instructors who are also visually impared.  It is an 8 
> week class for blimd individuals that will teach you the basic fundamentals. 
> Let me know if you want more imfo. I can get you commected with the right 
> people .
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rory McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,
>> I think i've joined on 2 emails, if its possible to leave the group on my 
>> gmail then i will do that.
>> Anyways, i'm planning to buy pro tools at some point, but since i'm coming 
>> from garage band i figured i'd try out pro tools first. However, i've heard 
>> that pro tools first isn't fully accessible, is this true? If so, how 
>> useable is it, is it easy enough to use that i can learn the avid interface?
>> Also i can't seem to figure out how to install it. There was a link thaat 
>> took me to a bunch of things like creating an avid account and an ILock ID, 
>> but after all that all i installed was avid cloud. Anyone know how i 
>> download and instal pro tools first if its usable? 
>> 
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Re: FloTools issues on sierra 10.12.3 with PT 12.8

2017-09-06 Thread Slau Halatyn 
Hi Brian,
That's not a Flo Tools issue but a VoiceOver focus issue in Sierra. We've 
talked about that here a few times but you probably missed the discussion. 
Apple is aware of the problem and we're still waiting for them to fix it. Yep, 
it's a hassle to be thrown back to the top of the window each time. Thanks 
Apple :)
Slau

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Brian@Wavefield Recordings 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I had FloTools working fairly well before upgrading to sierra and had
> to upgrade for software for my partner to use, anyway I am only using
> FloTools on this secondary machine fr the moment for various reasons,
> so I didn't make a backup of my system pre upgrade.
> 
> So the main issue I'm having is that voice over jumps to the top of
> the mix window after I close menus or plug-in windows I had accessed
> with FloTools commands i.e. I open the track output menu on track 16
> of a sessions for example, and after I select a n output VO jumps back
> to the top of them window, instead of hanging around track 16. This
> didn't happen before I upgraded to Sierra.
> 
> I also seem to be having some other issues with mouse clicks etc, but
> haven't really had time to explore those things fully.
> 
> Is there anything I may be missing.
> 
> I have tried reinstalling FLoTools, I am on the latest PT etc.
> 
> All suggestions are welcome,
> 
> Brian.
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FloTools issues on sierra 10.12.3 with PT 12.8

2017-09-06 Thread Brian@Wavefield Recordings 
Hi all,

I had FloTools working fairly well before upgrading to sierra and had
to upgrade for software for my partner to use, anyway I am only using
FloTools on this secondary machine fr the moment for various reasons,
so I didn't make a backup of my system pre upgrade.

So the main issue I'm having is that voice over jumps to the top of
the mix window after I close menus or plug-in windows I had accessed
with FloTools commands i.e. I open the track output menu on track 16
of a sessions for example, and after I select a n output VO jumps back
to the top of them window, instead of hanging around track 16. This
didn't happen before I upgraded to Sierra.

I also seem to be having some other issues with mouse clicks etc, but
haven't really had time to explore those things fully.

Is there anything I may be missing.

I have tried reinstalling FLoTools, I am on the latest PT etc.

All suggestions are welcome,

Brian.

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Re: unable to drag tracks

2017-09-06 Thread Stefan Albertshauser 
Hi Slau,

I have the issue, when I want to sort tracks in the tracks list. The clipp 
dragging works fine.
Stefan


 Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.09.2017 um 13:02 schrieb Slau Halatyn :
> 
> Hi Stefan,
> Flo Tools compensates for any width so it doesn't matter how wide the Clips 
> list is. Of course, you realize that it can sometimes take several attempts 
> but it does work. What results are you getting? Is Flo Toos reporting that 
> the drag failed? Are you sure that the track to which you are dragging is 
> truly visible in the timeline? Try hiding the other tracks and see if that 
> helps.
> Slau
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:29 AM, Stefan Albertshauser  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Since yesterday, I’m not able anymore to drag tracks in the track list. How 
>> wide should it be?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
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Re: unable to drag tracks

2017-09-06 Thread Slau Halatyn 
Hi Stefan,
Flo Tools compensates for any width so it doesn't matter how wide the Clips 
list is. Of course, you realize that it can sometimes take several attempts but 
it does work. What results are you getting? Is Flo Toos reporting that the drag 
failed? Are you sure that the track to which you are dragging is truly visible 
in the timeline? Try hiding the other tracks and see if that helps.
Slau

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:29 AM, Stefan Albertshauser  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Since yesterday, I’m not able anymore to drag tracks in the track list. How 
> wide should it be?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Stefan
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