Re: Music composition with ProTools question
Thanks for all the info and thoughts, it’s interesting to stay informed on this subject anyways… ;) On 23 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Steve Sparrow wrote: i don’t really think logic would replace protools for me. But i like it for what it does and will use it along side Pt. Which is really what I intended to do. Steve > On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:12 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > just to add I think the other thing that decided me to give logic a run was > the fact i had a lot of old midi files to deal with for a client. With logic > you just open them up and it’s all there and you just start playing around > with sounds. I found in protools this was not so easy. As i had to assine > instrument tracks to every instrument and then I had to rename every track to > it’s corresponding instrument. I even had to set the tempo as protools wanted > to default everything to 120 BPM. I found the whole process Very time > consuming. How ever i’m quite prepared to be told there was an easier way to > do this in protools. But it just seemed so easy in logic. > > As I say I’m very new to logic, and anything I say here are just my > observations so far. > > I’m also very great full to steve martin and a number of other people of the > logic list for there assistance. > Steve > > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> Hi John as I say i’m quite new to it. I think the Main issue with using >> logic is knowing what tracks are armed at any one time. Witch is probably >> fine if you only want to record one or two tracks at a time. other logic >> users may have a work around for this, but not sure. >> For me I’ll continue to use protools as my main recording daw as it’s just >> so easy to get around. But having said that I can seem to get around logic >> for the most part. there are loads of short cuts. I got into it mainly as I >> do not have Complete control as yet, and I guess i was interested to see >> what it offered in the way of software sounds. As i really only use midi for >> drum programming. I’m not a keyboard player. I’m a guitarist. So thought i’d >> check it out. >> >> From the short time i’ve been using it, It does seem very easy to record >> midi work, and they software instruments are quite good yes. But native >> instruments would probably be a step up again. and I’m really enjoying >> mucking around with loops. I think the loop library in logic has about 30 >> thousand loops. So the possibilities are pretty endless if that something >> you are interested in. >> I think at this point protools is better for editing. But i’m getting my >> head around the way logic is set up for this. >> >> If you have K K and using protools, i guess it would be questionable whether >> you need logic. I’ve not got into K k as yet. but I intend too at some point >> down the track. I’ve heard great things about it. >> >> Steve >> >> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 8:03 am, John André Lium-Netland >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> How good is the current state of accessibility in Logic compared with Pro >>> Tools? Where is Logic more accessible, and where is Pro Tools most >>> accessible? >>> >>> Best, >>> John André >>> >>> On 21 Apr 2019, at 12:36, Steve Sparrow wrote: >>> >>> yeah. I’m very new to logic, but getting my head around it ok now. If it’s >>> music composition you are doing and if your mainly dealing with midi >>> recording. I’d think logic may be the better option. It just seems well set >>> up for that sort of work.then you’ve got all the loops and other things >>> that come with logic witch i’m enjoying playing around with at the moment. >>> For the most part for me I like protools but i’m doing a lot of audio >>> recording and editing and that sort of thing, But for midi work i’m really >>> enjoying logic at the moment.You can do midi work in protools no problem. >>> but the stock protools sounds are not a patch on logic. >>> it’s achievable with native instruments and complete control, you’d have >>> some great sounds then. But you’d have to outlay a bit of cash to do this. >>> Logic may have all you need. >>> If you decided to go down the complete control pathway at some stage, i >>> think you can also access this with voice over in logic. But don’t know a >>> lot about this as yet. >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> Steve >>> On 21 Apr 2019, at 7:18 pm, Niklas Karlsson wrote: Hi, I don’t know that much about Logic, but from what I’ve heard, the built in soft synths/instrument sounds are better in Logic, so it may be a better tool for composing. Best, Niklas Skickat från min iPhone > 21 apr. 2019 kl. 00:40 skrev Christian : > > Hi all, > > OK, so I have not posted much into this group, but I’d like to hear your > opinions. > I’ve got Logig Pro X installed, and I have been thinking about installing > ProTools and try to learn it
Re: Music composition with ProTools question
are you using K K john. if so how do you find it. Steve > On 23 Apr 2019, at 5:30 pm, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Thanks for all the info and thoughts, it’s interesting to stay informed on > this subject anyways… ;) > > > On 23 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > i don’t really think logic would replace protools for me. But i like it for > what it does and will use it along side Pt. Which is really what I intended > to do. > Steve > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:12 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> just to add I think the other thing that decided me to give logic a run was >> the fact i had a lot of old midi files to deal with for a client. With logic >> you just open them up and it’s all there and you just start playing around >> with sounds. I found in protools this was not so easy. As i had to assine >> instrument tracks to every instrument and then I had to rename every track >> to it’s corresponding instrument. I even had to set the tempo as protools >> wanted to default everything to 120 BPM. I found the whole process Very time >> consuming. How ever i’m quite prepared to be told there was an easier way to >> do this in protools. But it just seemed so easy in logic. >> >> As I say I’m very new to logic, and anything I say here are just my >> observations so far. >> >> I’m also very great full to steve martin and a number of other people of the >> logic list for there assistance. >> Steve >> >> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >>> >>> Hi John as I say i’m quite new to it. I think the Main issue with using >>> logic is knowing what tracks are armed at any one time. Witch is probably >>> fine if you only want to record one or two tracks at a time. other logic >>> users may have a work around for this, but not sure. >>> For me I’ll continue to use protools as my main recording daw as it’s just >>> so easy to get around. But having said that I can seem to get around logic >>> for the most part. there are loads of short cuts. I got into it mainly as I >>> do not have Complete control as yet, and I guess i was interested to see >>> what it offered in the way of software sounds. As i really only use midi >>> for drum programming. I’m not a keyboard player. I’m a guitarist. So >>> thought i’d check it out. >>> >>> From the short time i’ve been using it, It does seem very easy to record >>> midi work, and they software instruments are quite good yes. But native >>> instruments would probably be a step up again. and I’m really enjoying >>> mucking around with loops. I think the loop library in logic has about 30 >>> thousand loops. So the possibilities are pretty endless if that something >>> you are interested in. >>> I think at this point protools is better for editing. But i’m getting my >>> head around the way logic is set up for this. >>> >>> If you have K K and using protools, i guess it would be questionable >>> whether you need logic. I’ve not got into K k as yet. but I intend too at >>> some point down the track. I’ve heard great things about it. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 8:03 am, John André Lium-Netland wrote: Hi Steve, How good is the current state of accessibility in Logic compared with Pro Tools? Where is Logic more accessible, and where is Pro Tools most accessible? Best, John André On 21 Apr 2019, at 12:36, Steve Sparrow wrote: yeah. I’m very new to logic, but getting my head around it ok now. If it’s music composition you are doing and if your mainly dealing with midi recording. I’d think logic may be the better option. It just seems well set up for that sort of work.then you’ve got all the loops and other things that come with logic witch i’m enjoying playing around with at the moment. For the most part for me I like protools but i’m doing a lot of audio recording and editing and that sort of thing, But for midi work i’m really enjoying logic at the moment.You can do midi work in protools no problem. but the stock protools sounds are not a patch on logic. it’s achievable with native instruments and complete control, you’d have some great sounds then. But you’d have to outlay a bit of cash to do this. Logic may have all you need. If you decided to go down the complete control pathway at some stage, i think you can also access this with voice over in logic. But don’t know a lot about this as yet. Just some thoughts. Steve > On 21 Apr 2019, at 7:18 pm, Niklas Karlsson > wrote: > > Hi, > > I don’t know that much about Logic, but from what I’ve heard, the built > in soft synths/instrument sounds are better in Logic, so it may be a > better tool for composing. > > Best, > Niklas > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 21 apr. 2019 kl. 00:40 skre
Re: Music composition with ProTools question
No, but I have considered it, as far as I know the implementation with Logic is better than with Pro Tools, but this might be outdated info… I also would like it to be accessible without the use of a NI keyboard connected, like when you’re not in your studio…. But still interested, and still looking for further info. ;) On 23 Apr 2019, at 09:35, Steve Sparrow wrote: are you using K K john. if so how do you find it. Steve > On 23 Apr 2019, at 5:30 pm, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Thanks for all the info and thoughts, it’s interesting to stay informed on > this subject anyways… ;) > > > On 23 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > i don’t really think logic would replace protools for me. But i like it for > what it does and will use it along side Pt. Which is really what I intended > to do. > Steve > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:12 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> just to add I think the other thing that decided me to give logic a run was >> the fact i had a lot of old midi files to deal with for a client. With logic >> you just open them up and it’s all there and you just start playing around >> with sounds. I found in protools this was not so easy. As i had to assine >> instrument tracks to every instrument and then I had to rename every track >> to it’s corresponding instrument. I even had to set the tempo as protools >> wanted to default everything to 120 BPM. I found the whole process Very time >> consuming. How ever i’m quite prepared to be told there was an easier way to >> do this in protools. But it just seemed so easy in logic. >> >> As I say I’m very new to logic, and anything I say here are just my >> observations so far. >> >> I’m also very great full to steve martin and a number of other people of the >> logic list for there assistance. >> Steve >> >> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >>> >>> Hi John as I say i’m quite new to it. I think the Main issue with using >>> logic is knowing what tracks are armed at any one time. Witch is probably >>> fine if you only want to record one or two tracks at a time. other logic >>> users may have a work around for this, but not sure. >>> For me I’ll continue to use protools as my main recording daw as it’s just >>> so easy to get around. But having said that I can seem to get around logic >>> for the most part. there are loads of short cuts. I got into it mainly as I >>> do not have Complete control as yet, and I guess i was interested to see >>> what it offered in the way of software sounds. As i really only use midi >>> for drum programming. I’m not a keyboard player. I’m a guitarist. So >>> thought i’d check it out. >>> >>> From the short time i’ve been using it, It does seem very easy to record >>> midi work, and they software instruments are quite good yes. But native >>> instruments would probably be a step up again. and I’m really enjoying >>> mucking around with loops. I think the loop library in logic has about 30 >>> thousand loops. So the possibilities are pretty endless if that something >>> you are interested in. >>> I think at this point protools is better for editing. But i’m getting my >>> head around the way logic is set up for this. >>> >>> If you have K K and using protools, i guess it would be questionable >>> whether you need logic. I’ve not got into K k as yet. but I intend too at >>> some point down the track. I’ve heard great things about it. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 8:03 am, John André Lium-Netland wrote: Hi Steve, How good is the current state of accessibility in Logic compared with Pro Tools? Where is Logic more accessible, and where is Pro Tools most accessible? Best, John André On 21 Apr 2019, at 12:36, Steve Sparrow wrote: yeah. I’m very new to logic, but getting my head around it ok now. If it’s music composition you are doing and if your mainly dealing with midi recording. I’d think logic may be the better option. It just seems well set up for that sort of work.then you’ve got all the loops and other things that come with logic witch i’m enjoying playing around with at the moment. For the most part for me I like protools but i’m doing a lot of audio recording and editing and that sort of thing, But for midi work i’m really enjoying logic at the moment.You can do midi work in protools no problem. but the stock protools sounds are not a patch on logic. it’s achievable with native instruments and complete control, you’d have some great sounds then. But you’d have to outlay a bit of cash to do this. Logic may have all you need. If you decided to go down the complete control pathway at some stage, i think you can also access this with voice over in logic. But don’t know a lot about this as yet. Just some thoughts. Steve > On 2
Re: Music composition with ProTools question
I am under the same impression of KK’s implementation being more in-depth and a bit simpler with logic. But yeah the fact that its basically useless accessibility wise without a KK keyboard and you can’t use it with any of the many audio effects that are now NKS compatible on an audio track has kept me on the fence thus far. > On Apr 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > No, but I have considered it, as far as I know the implementation with Logic > is better than with Pro Tools, but this might be outdated info… I also would > like it to be accessible without the use of a NI keyboard connected, like > when you’re not in your studio…. But still interested, and still looking for > further info. ;) > > > On 23 Apr 2019, at 09:35, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > are you using K K john. if so how do you find it. > Steve > > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 5:30 pm, John André Lium-Netland >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the info and thoughts, it’s interesting to stay informed on >> this subject anyways… ;) >> >> >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> i don’t really think logic would replace protools for me. But i like it for >> what it does and will use it along side Pt. Which is really what I intended >> to do. >> Steve >> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:12 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >>> >>> just to add I think the other thing that decided me to give logic a run was >>> the fact i had a lot of old midi files to deal with for a client. With >>> logic you just open them up and it’s all there and you just start playing >>> around with sounds. I found in protools this was not so easy. As i had to >>> assine instrument tracks to every instrument and then I had to rename every >>> track to it’s corresponding instrument. I even had to set the tempo as >>> protools wanted to default everything to 120 BPM. I found the whole process >>> Very time consuming. How ever i’m quite prepared to be told there was an >>> easier way to do this in protools. But it just seemed so easy in logic. >>> >>> As I say I’m very new to logic, and anything I say here are just my >>> observations so far. >>> >>> I’m also very great full to steve martin and a number of other people of >>> the logic list for there assistance. >>> Steve >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: Hi John as I say i’m quite new to it. I think the Main issue with using logic is knowing what tracks are armed at any one time. Witch is probably fine if you only want to record one or two tracks at a time. other logic users may have a work around for this, but not sure. For me I’ll continue to use protools as my main recording daw as it’s just so easy to get around. But having said that I can seem to get around logic for the most part. there are loads of short cuts. I got into it mainly as I do not have Complete control as yet, and I guess i was interested to see what it offered in the way of software sounds. As i really only use midi for drum programming. I’m not a keyboard player. I’m a guitarist. So thought i’d check it out. From the short time i’ve been using it, It does seem very easy to record midi work, and they software instruments are quite good yes. But native instruments would probably be a step up again. and I’m really enjoying mucking around with loops. I think the loop library in logic has about 30 thousand loops. So the possibilities are pretty endless if that something you are interested in. I think at this point protools is better for editing. But i’m getting my head around the way logic is set up for this. If you have K K and using protools, i guess it would be questionable whether you need logic. I’ve not got into K k as yet. but I intend too at some point down the track. I’ve heard great things about it. Steve > On 23 Apr 2019, at 8:03 am, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > How good is the current state of accessibility in Logic compared with Pro > Tools? Where is Logic more accessible, and where is Pro Tools most > accessible? > > Best, > John André > > On 21 Apr 2019, at 12:36, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > yeah. I’m very new to logic, but getting my head around it ok now. If > it’s music composition you are doing and if your mainly dealing with midi > recording. I’d think logic may be the better option. It just seems well > set up for that sort of work.then you’ve got all the loops and other > things that come with logic witch i’m enjoying playing around with at the > moment. > For the most part for me I like protools but i’m doing a lot of audio > recording and editing and that sort of thing, But for midi work i’m > really enjoying logic at the moment.You can do midi work in protoo
Re: Changing pitch
Just a small correction, option-numpad5.. > On Apr 17, 2019, at 1:50 PM, Niklas Karlsson > wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes, as Steve said, PT has elastic pitch, I believe you access it with > CMD-numpad5. > There you can change the pitch by semitones and there is even an option for > preserving the formants, which decreases the artifacts a bit. > > Hope that helps! > > Best, > Niklas > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: ptaccess@googlegroups.com För Steve Martin > Skickat: den 17 april 2019 19:47 > Till: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Ämne: Re: Changing pitch > > I used to do this in reaper with Elastic Pitch, and if memory serves correct > PT has the elastic algorithm as well, so there is probably a way to do this > directly from the track itself. I remember using Elastic time in PT that way > to snap drum loops to the project tempo since I couldn’t import them through > the workspace area back then. Alternatively depending on which plug in > package you have along with PT Pitch or TEC will probably do it as well. Also > keep an eye on Waves sales as soundShifter is a useful tool to keep around > for such things also worth the $29 if you can grab it at that price. > > >> On Apr 17, 2019, at 12:43 PM, Christopher Gilland >> wrote: >> >> Guys, I know that normally this would not be recommended, as you could >> definitely introduce some weird sounding artifacts doing so, but in my >> particular situation at hand, this is a very last resort. I really don't >> have a choice. >> >> >> I have an audio file which is a piano only instrumental accompiniment track >> bought on iTunes a few months back. I'm wanting to lay down the lead vocal. >> Unfortunately, the song is way way too high for me. Again, this is audio, >> not midi. Is there a stock plugin which comes with ProTools, or some way in >> general within PT that I can take that audio file, and move it down maybe a >> step and a half? Even just a step would probably be OK. It's just borderline >> hitting my breaking point where I"m straining, which never is good. Pushing? >> Fine, straining? no. Thing is, I also would need it to try as hard as it >> could to only move the pitch, but not the speed as well. >> >> >> I used to do this all the time in SoundForge, but I don't have access to >> that installation any longer. >> >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9fb2d9c2f94b4536229b08d6c35ca658%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636911200020914424&sdata=ZZkegCTfn5FK7SEutDoVCh%2BO%2F695oiQ3jCKfh32wo8U%3D&reserved=0. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9fb2d9c2f94b4536229b08d6c35ca658%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636911200020914424&sdata=ZZkegCTfn5FK7SEutDoVCh%2BO%2F695oiQ3jCKfh32wo8U%3D&reserved=0. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re[2]: Music composition with ProTools question
Hi, So, the best thing if one swants to use Protools is to use a KK keyboard, is this correct? Many thanks, Christian On 2019-04-23 at 09:38 Steve Martin wrote: >I am under the same impression of KK’s implementation being more >in-depth and a bit simpler with logic. But yeah the fact that its >basically useless accessibility wise without a KK keyboard and you can’t >use it with any of the many audio effects that are now NKS compatible on >an audio track has kept me on the fence thus far. > > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: >> >> No, but I have considered it, as far as I know the implementation with >Logic is better than with Pro Tools, but this might be outdated info… I >also would like it to be accessible without the use of a NI keyboard >connected, like when you’re not in your studio…. But still interested, >and still looking for further info. ;) >> >> >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 09:35, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> are you using K K john. if so how do you find it. >> Steve >> >> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 5:30 pm, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for all the info and thoughts, it’s interesting to stay >informed on this subject anyways… ;) >>> >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Steve Sparrow >wrote: >>> >>> i don’t really think logic would replace protools for me. But i like >it for what it does and will use it along side Pt. Which is really what I >intended to do. >>> Steve >>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:12 am, Steve Sparrow >wrote: just to add I think the other thing that decided me to give logic a >run was the fact i had a lot of old midi files to deal with for a client. >With logic you just open them up and it’s all there and you just start >playing around with sounds. I found in protools this was not so easy. As i >had to assine instrument tracks to every instrument and then I had to >rename every track to it’s corresponding instrument. I even had to set >the tempo as protools wanted to default everything to 120 BPM. I found the >whole process Very time consuming. How ever i’m quite prepared to be >told there was an easier way to do this in protools. But it just seemed so >easy in logic. As I say I’m very new to logic, and anything I say here are just my >observations so far. I’m also very great full to steve martin and a number of other >people of the logic list for there assistance. Steve > On 23 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Steve Sparrow >wrote: > > Hi John as I say i’m quite new to it. I think the Main issue with >using logic is knowing what tracks are armed at any one time. Witch is >probably fine if you only want to record one or two tracks at a time. >other logic users may have a work around for this, but not sure. > For me I’ll continue to use protools as my main recording daw as >it’s just so easy to get around. But having said that I can seem to get >around logic for the most part. there are loads of short cuts. I got into >it mainly as I do not have Complete control as yet, and I guess i was >interested to see what it offered in the way of software sounds. As i >really only use midi for drum programming. I’m not a keyboard player. >I’m a guitarist. So thought i’d check it out. > > From the short time i’ve been using it, It does seem very easy to >record midi work, and they software instruments are quite good yes. But >native instruments would probably be a step up again. and I’m really >enjoying mucking around with loops. I think the loop library in logic has >about 30 thousand loops. So the possibilities are pretty endless if that >something you are interested in. > I think at this point protools is better for editing. But i’m >getting my head around the way logic is set up for this. > > If you have K K and using protools, i guess it would be questionable >whether you need logic. I’ve not got into K k as yet. but I intend too >at some point down the track. I’ve heard great things about it. > > Steve > > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 8:03 am, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> How good is the current state of accessibility in Logic compared >with Pro Tools? Where is Logic more accessible, and where is Pro Tools >most accessible? >> >> Best, >> John André >> >> On 21 Apr 2019, at 12:36, Steve Sparrow >wrote: >> >> yeah. I’m very new to logic, but getting my head around it ok now. >If it’s music composition you are doing and if your mainly dealing with >midi recording. I’d think logic may be the better option. It just seems >well set up for that sort of work.then you’ve got all the loops and >other things that come with logic witch i’m enjoying playing around with >at the moment. >> For the most part for me I like protools but i’m doing a lot of >audio recording and editing and that sort of thing,