Re: Looking for advice for dialogue and speech plugins

[Michael Holmes]

My bad, I wasn’t describing a chain, just the ways each plugin could be 
helpful. Also, an update! A friend of mine recently got me into Waves MV2 and 
C4 for vocal tracks. C4 in particular has really solid vocal presets. It’s 
definitely worth trying them out.

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 16:55, Ramy Moustafa Saber  
> wrote:
> 
> HI Michael:
> Can i ask, do you use 3 pro compressors in your chain? i mean you use the pro 
> compressor, expander and the  lemeter one? or what sorry for asking
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Michael Holmes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have an active subscription, the Avid Complete Pro Dynamics are a 
>> must-have. The compressor would be my go-to, and for quick setup there are 
>> presets for broadcast speech under the vocals submenu. The multiband plugin 
>> can do up and down compression or expanding. The expander has a really easy 
>> duck mode for sidechaining from spoken word. Lastly, the limiter is designed 
>> with EBU specs. As for Waves, they are also great, and their new installer 
>> seems to have been redesigned for accessibility, which was the only 
>> accessibility issue before. Their plugins make up the majority of my third 
>> party go-to picks.
>> 
 On Dec 7, 2020, at 18:57, Toby Davey  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi Guys, 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Looking for some advice on plugins for working with dialogue and speech.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is all pretty much new to me so maybe some simple questions here! from 
>>> me
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AS you all know I work in radio and mainly with speech output plus also 
>>> putting some music shows together too.  I have been playing around with 
>>> some of the AudioSuite plugins that come with Pro Tools which work well but 
>>> now looking for adding in some other plugins to my workflow if it is all 
>>> fairly straight forward to do.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One thing I have read about online is how it might be possible to find a 
>>> plugin that will do upward compression to bring variations in speech up to 
>>> give a more even volume and level.  Not sure if there is a plugin out there 
>>> that does this although I have seen a video using a Waves plugin for vocals 
>>> which seems to smooth out the sound of the voice.  Also a friend has 
>>> mentioned some of the Waves Arts plugins too. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So how easy is it to add in plugins and how accessible are they with Voice 
>>> Over in Pro Tools. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have seen a lot of traffic on the WhatsAp group about many music and 
>>> instrument plugins and talk about the various Plugin files in the Dropbox 
>>> folder. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I do start to look at adding some plugins into PT how accessible is the 
>>> process with VoiceOver, do I need to download VOCR  and if I need to use 
>>> any of the files from the Dropbox plugin folders is it fairly 
>>> straightforward to do this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If there is anything in the dropbox folder or online that would be good to 
>>> read first please do point me in the right direction. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Toby 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Looking for advice for dialogue and speech plugins

[Ramy Moustafa Saber]

HI Michael:
Can i ask, do you use 3 pro compressors in your chain? i mean you use the pro 
compressor, expander and the  lemeter one? or what sorry for asking


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Michael Holmes  wrote:
> 
> If you have an active subscription, the Avid Complete Pro Dynamics are a 
> must-have. The compressor would be my go-to, and for quick setup there are 
> presets for broadcast speech under the vocals submenu. The multiband plugin 
> can do up and down compression or expanding. The expander has a really easy 
> duck mode for sidechaining from spoken word. Lastly, the limiter is designed 
> with EBU specs. As for Waves, they are also great, and their new installer 
> seems to have been redesigned for accessibility, which was the only 
> accessibility issue before. Their plugins make up the majority of my third 
> party go-to picks.
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 18:57, Toby Davey  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Guys, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Looking for some advice on plugins for working with dialogue and speech.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is all pretty much new to me so maybe some simple questions here! from 
>> me
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AS you all know I work in radio and mainly with speech output plus also 
>> putting some music shows together too.  I have been playing around with some 
>> of the AudioSuite plugins that come with Pro Tools which work well but now 
>> looking for adding in some other plugins to my workflow if it is all fairly 
>> straight forward to do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One thing I have read about online is how it might be possible to find a 
>> plugin that will do upward compression to bring variations in speech up to 
>> give a more even volume and level.  Not sure if there is a plugin out there 
>> that does this although I have seen a video using a Waves plugin for vocals 
>> which seems to smooth out the sound of the voice.  Also a friend has 
>> mentioned some of the Waves Arts plugins too. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So how easy is it to add in plugins and how accessible are they with Voice 
>> Over in Pro Tools. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have seen a lot of traffic on the WhatsAp group about many music and 
>> instrument plugins and talk about the various Plugin files in the Dropbox 
>> folder. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If I do start to look at adding some plugins into PT how accessible is the 
>> process with VoiceOver, do I need to download VOCR  and if I need to use any 
>> of the files from the Dropbox plugin folders is it fairly straightforward to 
>> do this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there is anything in the dropbox folder or online that would be good to 
>> read first please do point me in the right direction. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Toby 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Controlling plugin latency in PT

[John André Lium-Netland]

That will make it impossible or at least very cumbersome to edit tracks. Can’t 
understand why this is a problem with Pro Tools and not a problem with other 
DAWs… 

Thanks for your ideas, anyways…. :)


> 21. des. 2020 kl. 21:44 skrev Michael Holmes :
> 
> That’s correct, it only adds latency. You can delay the other tracks to bring 
> them into alignment with the latent one. Another option is committing the 
> latent track, and nudging its audio back to the correct location. I would do 
> option 2 if the latency was severe, like a half second or more.
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 13:12, John André Lium-Netland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, yes I was considering the time shifter, but doesn’t it only push 
>> forward? In my case I need to compensate the delay by pushing backwards…. I 
>> tried to do that, but it didn’t work as expected…
>> 
>> Probably I’m doing something wrong... :)
>> 
>> Best,
>> John André
>> 
>> 
>>> 19. des. 2020 kl. 16:15 skrev Michael Holmes :
>>> 
>>> You could add the time adjuster plugin onto every track or bus that needs 
>>> it, and set the samples delay according to the latency. For instance, if 
>>> there is 5 ms latency, you take your session sample rate divided by 1000. 
>>> That will give you the samples per millisecond. Multiply the result, i.e. 
>>> 48 samples for 48 khz, times 5 milliseconds, so, 240 samples here,and use 
>>> that  amount in time adjuster.
>>> 
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 16:35, John André Lium-Netland 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For a specific plugin the latency compensation feature in PT is not enough 
 as my system currently is set up. I use a 2020 iMac with 128 Gb RAM, so it 
 should not be a CPU or memory issue.
 
 But when using the GainRider plugin from TB Pro Audio I get a little too 
 much latency when I use the look-ahead feature/pre delay setting in the 
 plugin, even when the latency compensation under the Option menu is on. In 
 other DAWs the latency caused when using this feature is easily 
 compensated according to the developer, but in Pro Tools the latency is 
 not totally compensated. This is a drawback caused by PT, the developer 
 tells me.
 
 Does anyone know of a setting in PT that has an impact on the latency 
 compensation for the system or for each track? I hope there is a way to 
 set the latency compensation manually for each track….
 
 Any suggestions are welcome! ;)  
 
 
 Best,
 John André
 
 
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Re: Controlling plugin latency in PT

[Michael Holmes]

That’s correct, it only adds latency. You can delay the other tracks to bring 
them into alignment with the latent one. Another option is committing the 
latent track, and nudging its audio back to the correct location. I would do 
option 2 if the latency was severe, like a half second or more.

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 13:12, John André Lium-Netland  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, yes I was considering the time shifter, but doesn’t it only push 
> forward? In my case I need to compensate the delay by pushing backwards…. I 
> tried to do that, but it didn’t work as expected…
> 
> Probably I’m doing something wrong... :)
> 
> Best,
> John André
> 
> 
>> 19. des. 2020 kl. 16:15 skrev Michael Holmes :
>> 
>> You could add the time adjuster plugin onto every track or bus that needs 
>> it, and set the samples delay according to the latency. For instance, if 
>> there is 5 ms latency, you take your session sample rate divided by 1000. 
>> That will give you the samples per millisecond. Multiply the result, i.e. 48 
>> samples for 48 khz, times 5 milliseconds, so, 240 samples here,and use that  
>> amount in time adjuster.
>> 
 On Dec 18, 2020, at 16:35, John André Lium-Netland 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For a specific plugin the latency compensation feature in PT is not enough 
>>> as my system currently is set up. I use a 2020 iMac with 128 Gb RAM, so it 
>>> should not be a CPU or memory issue.
>>> 
>>> But when using the GainRider plugin from TB Pro Audio I get a little too 
>>> much latency when I use the look-ahead feature/pre delay setting in the 
>>> plugin, even when the latency compensation under the Option menu is on. In 
>>> other DAWs the latency caused when using this feature is easily compensated 
>>> according to the developer, but in Pro Tools the latency is not totally 
>>> compensated. This is a drawback caused by PT, the developer tells me.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of a setting in PT that has an impact on the latency 
>>> compensation for the system or for each track? I hope there is a way to set 
>>> the latency compensation manually for each track….
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions are welcome! ;)  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> John André
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Controlling plugin latency in PT

[John André Lium-Netland]

Hi, yes I was considering the time shifter, but doesn’t it only push forward? 
In my case I need to compensate the delay by pushing backwards…. I tried to do 
that, but it didn’t work as expected…

Probably I’m doing something wrong... :)

Best,
John André


> 19. des. 2020 kl. 16:15 skrev Michael Holmes :
> 
> You could add the time adjuster plugin onto every track or bus that needs it, 
> and set the samples delay according to the latency. For instance, if there is 
> 5 ms latency, you take your session sample rate divided by 1000. That will 
> give you the samples per millisecond. Multiply the result, i.e. 48 samples 
> for 48 khz, times 5 milliseconds, so, 240 samples here,and use that  amount 
> in time adjuster.
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 16:35, John André Lium-Netland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> For a specific plugin the latency compensation feature in PT is not enough 
>> as my system currently is set up. I use a 2020 iMac with 128 Gb RAM, so it 
>> should not be a CPU or memory issue.
>> 
>> But when using the GainRider plugin from TB Pro Audio I get a little too 
>> much latency when I use the look-ahead feature/pre delay setting in the 
>> plugin, even when the latency compensation under the Option menu is on. In 
>> other DAWs the latency caused when using this feature is easily compensated 
>> according to the developer, but in Pro Tools the latency is not totally 
>> compensated. This is a drawback caused by PT, the developer tells me.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a setting in PT that has an impact on the latency 
>> compensation for the system or for each track? I hope there is a way to set 
>> the latency compensation manually for each track….
>> 
>> Any suggestions are welcome! ;)  
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> John André
>> 
>> 
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