Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
thanks for the updated info. At 01:14 PM 7/13/2014, you wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Why not go with ePub? There are accessible means of reading it on all platforms are there not?? On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
That's what I went with in the end, but other providers provide the books in various formats which just makes life that bit easier for me; though not necessarily for everyone I realise that. On 13 Jul 2014, at 18:32, TheOreoMonster monkeypushe...@gmail.com wrote: Why not go with ePub? There are accessible means of reading it on all platforms are there not?? On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks very much Slau, Just found it. Dónal On 13 Jul 2014, at 19:09, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Another good one I have on my Learning Ally bookshelf is Sound and Recording by Francis Rumsey. The edition I've read is the 6th edition, though I'm not sure if there's a more up-to-date one. Again (possibly for slau) that Modern Recording Techniques is now in the 8th edition. Cheers, Dónal On 13 Jul 2014, at 19:09, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
