RE: Pro Tools Hot spot update
I tried Boom and Structure in PT 8 (haven't received my PT9 yet). Boom seems only to work with internal samples, unless I'm missing something, so we can't even use that as a basic sample trigger plug. Structure Free with PT 8 is a total loss. Clicking on a location with the mouse opens a pop-up menu for selecting presets. If you try to click with VoiceOver, the menu opens and immediately disappears. Probably could fix that with QK. It wouldn't matter, though. Once open, the menu doesn't respond to arrows or any other form of keyboard navigation. VoiceOver can't read the menu, either, so it's pretty much out. The synths will undoubtedly change a bit in PT9, so I'll try again when I receive it. Here is a thought. In most cases, we want to use existing plugs, one way or another. For some small situations, though, it might make more sense to write a plug to handle the needed task. There is no way that I have the time to spend with writing a full softsynth, but writing a plug with a simple UI (or else controlled from a file on disk that we edit by hand), that simply plays samples in response to MIDI notes, wouldn't be so difficult. Effects and all of that could be handled on the track inserts, anyway, so no need for a complicated plug. The thing is, to make RTAS plugs at all, you need to go through some sort of vetting process. They don't allow hobbiest or freeware development of plugs and other solutions, unless you're already selling a commercial plug. Maybe they'd make some sort of exception for us. Would prob need to talk to someone there directly, though. The online applications want all of your business details, info about existing products, development timelines, etc. Going that route would require too much please understand the situation, and other pleas for escalation. Bryan -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vinny Pedulla Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:13 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update Great Bryan, This is something Slau and I have discussed in the passed. We were thinking it may really help in the plugin window: even something as simple as clicking on an invisible button that VO doesn't recognize. I need to grab a copy of QK and start experimenting as well. Let us know what you find... Vinny - Original Message - From: Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM Subject: RE: Pro Tools Hot spot update I'm working with QuicKeys. I've started a project to assemble QK shortcuts of use to VoiceOver users. It's partly OT here, but I already have a collection of shortcuts for some apps that I've put together, including iTunes and Skype, as well as for some web apps like the Netflix and Rhapsody players. Pro Tools is an app that could definitely use some help in this area. It is nowhere as easy as scripting for the Windows screen readers to do so, but QK can be set to automatically trigger shortcuts if a test function succeeds. That function can examine the user interface, for example, to watch for a change in a meter or some other value. QK shortcuts can include an Applescript action, so that they can speak directly through VoiceOver, if something useful happens on screen. This combination could be setup so that meters and other important info could automatically speak, if the user activated a particular mode. Just as other food for thought, the shortcuts can also be triggered through MIDI events. This would make it possible to setup a controller or external button box to perform actions when the controls are manipulated. Anyway, I plan to start poking at Pro Tools with QK in the next day or two. Will post what comes of it. If anyone would like to check out my project VoxKeys, in its current form, go to: http://blog.bryansmart.com/voxkeys-project/ Bryan From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi
Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update
Great Bryan, This is something Slau and I have discussed in the passed. We were thinking it may really help in the plugin window: even something as simple as clicking on an invisible button that VO doesn't recognize. I need to grab a copy of QK and start experimenting as well. Let us know what you find... Vinny - Original Message - From: Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM Subject: RE: Pro Tools Hot spot update I'm working with QuicKeys. I've started a project to assemble QK shortcuts of use to VoiceOver users. It's partly OT here, but I already have a collection of shortcuts for some apps that I've put together, including iTunes and Skype, as well as for some web apps like the Netflix and Rhapsody players. Pro Tools is an app that could definitely use some help in this area. It is nowhere as easy as scripting for the Windows screen readers to do so, but QK can be set to automatically trigger shortcuts if a test function succeeds. That function can examine the user interface, for example, to watch for a change in a meter or some other value. QK shortcuts can include an Applescript action, so that they can speak directly through VoiceOver, if something useful happens on screen. This combination could be setup so that meters and other important info could automatically speak, if the user activated a particular mode. Just as other food for thought, the shortcuts can also be triggered through MIDI events. This would make it possible to setup a controller or external button box to perform actions when the controls are manipulated. Anyway, I plan to start poking at Pro Tools with QK in the next day or two. Will post what comes of it. If anyone would like to check out my project VoxKeys, in its current form, go to: http://blog.bryansmart.com/voxkeys-project/ Bryan From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update
Hey Bryan, Very cool. I'll check it out this weekend. Cheers, Slau On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: I'm working with QuicKeys. I've started a project to assemble QK shortcuts of use to VoiceOver users. It's partly OT here, but I already have a collection of shortcuts for some apps that I've put together, including iTunes and Skype, as well as for some web apps like the Netflix and Rhapsody players. Pro Tools is an app that could definitely use some help in this area. It is nowhere as easy as scripting for the Windows screen readers to do so, but QK can be set to automatically trigger shortcuts if a test function succeeds. That function can examine the user interface, for example, to watch for a change in a meter or some other value. QK shortcuts can include an Applescript action, so that they can speak directly through VoiceOver, if something useful happens on screen. This combination could be setup so that meters and other important info could automatically speak, if the user activated a particular mode. Just as other food for thought, the shortcuts can also be triggered through MIDI events. This would make it possible to setup a controller or external button box to perform actions when the controls are manipulated. Anyway, I plan to start poking at Pro Tools with QK in the next day or two. Will post what comes of it. If anyone would like to check out my project VoxKeys, in its current form, go to: http://blog.bryansmart.com/voxkeys-project/ Bryan From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
RE: Pro Tools Hot spot update
I have a cheap usb external keypad that I got from Amazon several years ago. Can't remember the brand, though it was a recognizable name. It works great with PT. That being said, I'm looking forward to getting an Apple pro keyboard. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:39 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update Supposedly, there are external numeric key pads available that will work with a Mac but I personally haven't tried one. Frankly, I think the apple Pro keyboard is the wisest choice. Yes, it seems redundant when there's a lap top next to you but, if you're using Pro Tools with a lap top, you're not going to keep it on your lap anyway and, thus, an external keyboard is the way to go. Yeah, I wish there were a current blue Tooth version with keypad. Slau On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Dam you apple...I guess the num pad might be dying out for many applications anyway. I'm kind of against investing anyway, as the Macbook pro I have is just on lone for the year, and I do have an mac mini I can access in college. -- From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 7:17 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Brian, From what I understand, Apple removed that functionality in the newer Mac books and Mac Book Pros. I'm still double-checking on that. Regarding the Blue Tooth keyboards, they're not extended keyboards. They're simply a means of accessing the keyboard away from the lap top or cPU. There apparently was an older version of the Apple Blue Tooth keyboard which was extended. You might still be able to find it somewhere-I'm not sure. Slau On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Chuck, great stuff, thanks very much for sharing. One question I do have is for those working on a laptop keyboard, is there anyway to bring up some sort of num pad that anyone knows of. I remember I had a PC laptop in the past that could activate a num pad on the JKLUIO and 7 8 and 9 keys. Can this be achieved on the mac book pro's? If not, how do external keyboards play with the laptop and does anyone have recommendations. A wireless blue tuth keyboard would be fantastic of course for many reasons. Cheers, Brian. -- From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
Pro Tools Hot spot update
Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update
Thanks, Chuckles, for confirming my most recent post in response to Brian's question about Hot Spots. BTW, watching Hot Spots works between applications which can be helpful if running a parallel stand-alone synth or sequencer. Slau On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Chuck Reichel wrote: Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update
Hi Brian, From what I understand, Apple removed that functionality in the newer Mac books and Mac Book Pros. I'm still double-checking on that. Regarding the Blue Tooth keyboards, they're not extended keyboards. They're simply a means of accessing the keyboard away from the lap top or cPU. There apparently was an older version of the Apple Blue Tooth keyboard which was extended. You might still be able to find it somewhere—I'm not sure. Slau On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Chuck, great stuff, thanks very much for sharing. One question I do have is for those working on a laptop keyboard, is there anyway to bring up some sort of num pad that anyone knows of. I remember I had a PC laptop in the past that could activate a num pad on the JKLUIO and 7 8 and 9 keys. Can this be achieved on the mac book pro's? If not, how do external keyboards play with the laptop and does anyone have recommendations. A wireless blue tuth keyboard would be fantastic of course for many reasons. Cheers, Brian. -- From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update Hi Listers, I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update.. To make things easier with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth.. When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to.. After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value.. For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to.. If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a control for.. Very cool!! In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once, Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad.. If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track it might say, Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level.. .. Ya all give it a try!! I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not seem to go in to enough depth for me.. Talk soon Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
