Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
Nope, home and end takes you to the beginning and end of the file respectively, at least that’s what the help says. And in IOs, the browsing may be good, but if you can’t select and edit portions of the sound that’s a deal breaker. /Krister 6 aug 2014 kl. 02:58 skrev Gordon Kent dbmu...@cybernex.net: I'm pretty sure that home and end already take you to the start and end of a selection. This is really a handy little app. And as I said, the browse feature in the iOS version is the best file transfer utility for iOS I've come across. Gord -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:04 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: OT: further findings about TwistedWave Hi all, I got a really helpful mail this morning from Twistedwave support. Firstly they seem open to accessibility concerns and said they would consider my suggestions on scrubbing and other things for the future. Then they told me about some undocumented keyboard shortcuts that can come in handy: You can actually select small portions from the sound file using shift + left and right arrows. Secondly you can scrub by shift+command clicking anywhere in the wave form rather than having to locate the ruler that you drag in in order to scrub. ”But the wave form isn’t visible” i hear you ask, and it is true, however there’s an indicator or rather a text that tells you sample rate, bit depth etc, go up from there with your physical mouse or track pad until you hear ”name of project, window” where ”name of project” is the name of your audio file and there is your wave form. Now to my own findings: It’s good if you turn cursor tracking off when playing with Twistedwave. You may also want to consider setting ”cursor moves back after playing” to checked. That way the cursor seems to move back to the play head when you stop playing and i think though i can’t be certain about this, that this makes it easier to scrub. By default it looks like the wave form is very small so when you select, you select in very long distances, so just like in all other wave editors, adjust the zoom so the waveform gets bigger. The edit short cuts dialog isn’t a loser after all, it’s quite smart in fact. The way the dialog works is like this: You go into the dialog for editing shortcuts, then it tells you to select an item from the menu to edit its short cuts. VO+m to the menu bar and then go to a menu and select the menu item you want to edit just as you would if you wanted to choose something from that menu. Now another dialog pops up asking you for the keyboard shortcut. Enter the shortcut you want and the dialog will close and you’re in the main window. Now here’s a little tricky bit, because the edit shortcuts dialog stays open however it’s not in focus so whatever you do do not select an item from a menu because then you will be asked for a new shortcut for this item. Instead use the window chooser, vo+f2 twice in rapid succession and you’ll be in the window chooser menu, go down the menu until you hear ”edit shortcuts” and choose that item. Now you’ll be in the edit shortcuts dialog again and you can ok the choices you’ve made or revert to default short cuts or cancel the dialog alltogether. What i’d suggest you do is to set up a shortcut for going to start and end of selections, those shortcuts will come in handy when you edit. Hope this makes any sense. Now here’s where i need your help guys: Could someone who works with Twistedwave please help me explain to the devs in a technical way how to make the wave form visible to VO? I don’t think you can make the wave form itself visible so that you can interact with it and do fun stuff, although that would be cool but one could do as they have done in some audio editors in IOS where the wave form is, Voiceover says ”wave form”. As i said, i hope any of this made sense. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
Yes home and end takes you to the start and end of a file respectively. However there are go to start of selection and go to end of selection shortcuts you can use for this. They don't have shortcut keys assigned however so you will have to do this first. On Aug 6, 2014, at 4:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Nope, home and end takes you to the beginning and end of the file respectively, at least that's what the help says. And in IOs, the browsing may be good, but if you can't select and edit portions of the sound that's a deal breaker. /Krister 6 aug 2014 kl. 02:58 skrev Gordon Kent dbmu...@cybernex.net: I'm pretty sure that home and end already take you to the start and end of a selection. This is really a handy little app. And as I said, the browse feature in the iOS version is the best file transfer utility for iOS I've come across. Gord -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:04 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: OT: further findings about TwistedWave Hi all, I got a really helpful mail this morning from Twistedwave support. Firstly they seem open to accessibility concerns and said they would consider my suggestions on scrubbing and other things for the future. Then they told me about some undocumented keyboard shortcuts that can come in handy: You can actually select small portions from the sound file using shift + left and right arrows. Secondly you can scrub by shift+command clicking anywhere in the wave form rather than having to locate the ruler that you drag in in order to scrub. But the wave form isn't visible i hear you ask, and it is true, however there's an indicator or rather a text that tells you sample rate, bit depth etc, go up from there with your physical mouse or track pad until you hear name of project, window where name of project is the name of your audio file and there is your wave form. Now to my own findings: It's good if you turn cursor tracking off when playing with Twistedwave. You may also want to consider setting cursor moves back after playing to checked. That way the cursor seems to move back to the play head when you stop playing and i think though i can't be certain about this, that this makes it easier to scrub. By default it looks like the wave form is very small so when you select, you select in very long distances, so just like in all other wave editors, adjust the zoom so the waveform gets bigger. The edit short cuts dialog isn't a loser after all, it's quite smart in fact. The way the dialog works is like this: You go into the dialog for editing shortcuts, then it tells you to select an item from the menu to edit its short cuts. VO+m to the menu bar and then go to a menu and select the menu item you want to edit just as you would if you wanted to choose something from that menu. Now another dialog pops up asking you for the keyboard shortcut. Enter the shortcut you want and the dialog will close and you're in the main window. Now here's a little tricky bit, because the edit shortcuts dialog stays open however it's not in focus so whatever you do do not select an item from a menu because then you will be asked for a new shortcut for this item. Instead use the window chooser, vo+f2 twice in rapid succession and you'll be in the window chooser menu, go down the menu until you hear edit shortcuts and choose that item. Now you'll be in the edit shortcuts dialog again and you can ok the choices you've made or revert to default short cuts or cancel the dialog alltogether. What i'd suggest you do is to set up a shortcut for going to start and end of selections, those shortcuts will come in handy when you edit. Hope this makes any sense. Now here's where i need your help guys: Could someone who works with Twistedwave please help me explain to the devs in a technical way how to make the wave form visible to VO? I don't think you can make the wave form itself visible so that you can interact with it and do fun stuff, although that would be cool but one could do as they have done in some audio editors in IOS where the wave form is, Voiceover says wave form. As i said, i hope any of this made sense. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
For me, and this is for me personally for 2 reasons, one of which may even be a misunderstanding so let's begin with that: 1: Protools is first and foremost an environment for creating music in whilst TwistedWave seems to be some kind of a general purpose editor and even if this wasn't the case i still haven't come off the ground with pro tools which i think is scary, daunting and confusing, a sign that i'm getting old. The main reason now why i haven't come off the ground with PT is that i'm afraid to the point of panic, ahem no that was maybe overdoing it a little, but i'm scared for some reason to use my Digi003 without knowing what i do with it. I'm trying to make the 003 accessible with the Surface reader application, but it's slow going. Besides it's good to have many tools in your arsenal, right? /Krister 6 aug 2014 kl. 16:21 skrev Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com: I'm just a little confused about something... Presumably, most of the people on the list own Pro Tools which is undoubtedly one of the most powerful audio editors around. Why the interest in this editor? I'm simply curious. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
Well sometimes f for basic wave editing using Pro Tools is like using a sledge hammer to crack anut. Also for things like batch processing, decting and removing silence etc its a useful quick tool. The other reason i looked at it when i saw it on sale is i know plenty of people that just do podcast and stuff like that and just need a wave editor and not a multi tracker. It's nice to have that option to point them to now thats not Garage Band, which has it's perks, but editing can be a bit clunky at times. Just another tool in the tool box so to speak. On 8/6/14, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just a little confused about something... Presumably, most of the people on the list own Pro Tools which is undoubtedly one of the most powerful audio editors around. Why the interest in this editor? I'm simply curious. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
I half to agree with slau! Why twist your Wave trying to remember what key strokes do what for different apps? Stay with the sledgehammer just hit a little less harder when needed! Besides that will improve your PT chops! BTW What is anut decting? ;) YMMV Chuck On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Monkey Pusher wrote: Well sometimes f for basic wave editing using Pro Tools is like using a sledge hammer to crack anut. Also for things like batch processing, decting and removing silence etc its a useful quick tool. The other reason i looked at it when i saw it on sale is i know plenty of people that just do podcast and stuff like that and just need a wave editor and not a multi tracker. It's nice to have that option to point them to now thats not Garage Band, which has it's perks, but editing can be a bit clunky at times. Just another tool in the tool box so to speak. On 8/6/14, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just a little confused about something... Presumably, most of the people on the list own Pro Tools which is undoubtedly one of the most powerful audio editors around. Why the interest in this editor? I'm simply curious. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
Right. I can certainly appreciate a tool that does one thing and does it well. The price is, of course, a plus and the fact that the developer is considering the accessibility. I was just curious. Slau On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: There are similar discussions about Twisted happening on a few lists. It's off topic on some, but I'm letting it go on the one that I moderate because the developer is apparently asking for feedback, and one more accessible option can't hurt. Big picture, accessibility is the thing to care about here isn't it rather than a DAW war. Stacking it up against PT though, I'd think the lower cost would be a big advantage for someone who might use Twisted to its potential but barely scratch the surface of PT. Also might be appealing to some folk that there's an iOS version of the same app. I haven't seen it, but guessing the terminology used throughout would be similar if it was done right. Just some thoughts... Scott On 8/6/14, CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com wrote: I half to agree with slau! Why twist your Wave trying to remember what key strokes do what for different apps? Stay with the sledgehammer just hit a little less harder when needed! Besides that will improve your PT chops! BTW What is anut decting? ;) YMMV Chuck On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Monkey Pusher wrote: Well sometimes f for basic wave editing using Pro Tools is like using a sledge hammer to crack anut. Also for things like batch processing, decting and removing silence etc its a useful quick tool. The other reason i looked at it when i saw it on sale is i know plenty of people that just do podcast and stuff like that and just need a wave editor and not a multi tracker. It's nice to have that option to point them to now thats not Garage Band, which has it's perks, but editing can be a bit clunky at times. Just another tool in the tool box so to speak. On 8/6/14, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just a little confused about something... Presumably, most of the people on the list own Pro Tools which is undoubtedly one of the most powerful audio editors around. Why the interest in this editor? I'm simply curious. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: further findings about TwistedWave
There are similar discussions about Twisted happening on a few lists. It's off topic on some, but I'm letting it go on the one that I moderate because the developer is apparently asking for feedback, and one more accessible option can't hurt. Big picture, accessibility is the thing to care about here isn't it rather than a DAW war. Stacking it up against PT though, I'd think the lower cost would be a big advantage for someone who might use Twisted to its potential but barely scratch the surface of PT. Also might be appealing to some folk that there's an iOS version of the same app. I haven't seen it, but guessing the terminology used throughout would be similar if it was done right. Just some thoughts... Scott On 8/6/14, CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com wrote: I half to agree with slau! Why twist your Wave trying to remember what key strokes do what for different apps? Stay with the sledgehammer just hit a little less harder when needed! Besides that will improve your PT chops! BTW What is anut decting? ;) YMMV Chuck On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Monkey Pusher wrote: Well sometimes f for basic wave editing using Pro Tools is like using a sledge hammer to crack anut. Also for things like batch processing, decting and removing silence etc its a useful quick tool. The other reason i looked at it when i saw it on sale is i know plenty of people that just do podcast and stuff like that and just need a wave editor and not a multi tracker. It's nice to have that option to point them to now thats not Garage Band, which has it's perks, but editing can be a bit clunky at times. Just another tool in the tool box so to speak. On 8/6/14, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just a little confused about something... Presumably, most of the people on the list own Pro Tools which is undoubtedly one of the most powerful audio editors around. Why the interest in this editor? I'm simply curious. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
