Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-17 Thread TheOreoMonster 
Hello,

If you are using a physical 2 button mouse you can just right click, no need to 
hold down control. If you are using a trackpad or a one button apple mouse, 
then you can hold down control when you do a regular mouse click. 

Regarding the menu disappearing, in those cases in other apps what I found 
works is to turn on quick  nav then while still holding the mouse down you can 
use up and down arrows to read the menu items with VO. 

> On May 17, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi again All,
> 
> 
> So I tried the Oreo Monster's suggestion.   When I hold down control and 
> right click the physical mouse, VO speaks "Menu, four items, loop audition 
> ...".   but two questions then arise:  how do I even access that menu?  it 
> disappears when I release the mouse button, so I can't cursor up and down in 
> the menu.
> 
> 
> Second, that menu is probably a context menu for the audition button, rather 
> than for the highlighted file, so the problem remains, how to action a file 
> that I'm auditioning with up/down arrow?
> 
> 
> Perhaps there is no other way than counting as you go, and then returning 
> with the VO cursor.   Can anybody try to replicate this process and see 
> whether you find a foolproof method.   I feel like foolproof is the operative 
> word here, but the hoops we have to jump through ...
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/05/2017 14:27, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> OK, that makes more sense. The contextual menu approach might be helpful 
>> but, if anything you wish to do involves clicking or dragging, the problem 
>> will be that lists of files might not necessarily scroll and thus VoiceOver 
>> can be focused on an item that is beyond the boundaries of the workspace's 
>> window. I know the Page Up and Down keys do work in workspace windows. The 
>> trouble is knowing whether something is truly in view. This is one of the 
>> issues I'll be working on shortly with Avid among other things. Keep us 
>> posted on your progress.
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Peter Bosher  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Slau, and thanks to you and others for replies so far.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First, to clarify, I do actually want to route the VO cursor to the 
>>> keyboard cursor, so sorry if I added confusion to an already hard to 
>>> explain operation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Second, the import file workaround won't do what I wanted, because as 
>>> somebody else pointed out, the WorkSpace is the only method which serches 
>>> through files on all meta-data and across many folders.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thirdly,  I'll try the OreoMonster's right-click idea and report back.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fourthly, here's one more try at explaining the scenario.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After searching for, say, heavy rain, or whatever it might be, I have maybe 
>>> a hundred results from a large effects library.   If I press 'audition', 
>>> then I can down arrow, and quickly hear the start of each file.  But, when 
>>> I find one I need, I want to route the VO-cursor to it, so that I can use 
>>> VO-shift-M, which then lets me either spot it to the edit cursor, or reveal 
>>> it in finder.  At the moment, I have to try to count down the list, and 
>>> then re-locate it with the VO-cursor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The right-click method may do the trick and I'll try it ASAP, but if 
>>> anybody knows a simpler reliable way, please do say.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15/05/2017 20:09, Slau Halatyn wrote:
 Hi Peter,
 The key combination you mention is not used by Flo Tools but, more 
 importantly, what that combination does is the opposite of what you're 
 saying you're trying to do. It routes VoiceOver to the keyboard focused 
 item rather than the other way around. Hope that clears things up.
 Slau
 
> On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my 
> continuing fight to tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case 
> anyone can help further, I need to route the highlight cursor to the VO 
> cursor. The keystroke for this should be VO-shift-F4, but when I press 
> that VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't happen.
> 
> 
> Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
> workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to 
> your suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots 
> helps a lot, but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, 
> what I'm trying to do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst 
> arrowing down. This works, but when I then find a file I want to use, I 
> can't easily use the context-menu to 'reveal in finder' for example, 
> because the VO-cursor doesn't follow

Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-17 Thread Peter Bosher 

Hi again All,


So I tried the Oreo Monster's suggestion.   When I hold down control and 
right click the physical mouse, VO speaks "Menu, four items, loop 
audition ...".   but two questions then arise:  how do I even access 
that menu?  it disappears when I release the mouse button, so I can't 
cursor up and down in the menu.



Second, that menu is probably a context menu for the audition button, 
rather than for the highlighted file, so the problem remains, how to 
action a file that I'm auditioning with up/down arrow?



Perhaps there is no other way than counting as you go, and then 
returning with the VO cursor.   Can anybody try to replicate this 
process and see whether you find a foolproof method.   I feel like 
foolproof is the operative word here, but the hoops we have to jump 
through ...



Best,


Peter



On 16/05/2017 14:27, Slau Halatyn wrote:

Hi Peter,
OK, that makes more sense. The contextual menu approach might be helpful but, 
if anything you wish to do involves clicking or dragging, the problem will be 
that lists of files might not necessarily scroll and thus VoiceOver can be 
focused on an item that is beyond the boundaries of the workspace's window. I 
know the Page Up and Down keys do work in workspace windows. The trouble is 
knowing whether something is truly in view. This is one of the issues I'll be 
working on shortly with Avid among other things. Keep us posted on your 
progress.

Slau


On May 16, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:

Hi Slau, and thanks to you and others for replies so far.


First, to clarify, I do actually want to route the VO cursor to the keyboard 
cursor, so sorry if I added confusion to an already hard to explain operation.


Second, the import file workaround won't do what I wanted, because as somebody 
else pointed out, the WorkSpace is the only method which serches through files 
on all meta-data and across many folders.


Thirdly,  I'll try the OreoMonster's right-click idea and report back.


Fourthly, here's one more try at explaining the scenario.


After searching for, say, heavy rain, or whatever it might be, I have maybe a 
hundred results from a large effects library.   If I press 'audition', then I 
can down arrow, and quickly hear the start of each file.  But, when I find one 
I need, I want to route the VO-cursor to it, so that I can use VO-shift-M, 
which then lets me either spot it to the edit cursor, or reveal it in finder.  
At the moment, I have to try to count down the list, and then re-locate it with 
the VO-cursor.


The right-click method may do the trick and I'll try it ASAP, but if anybody 
knows a simpler reliable way, please do say.


Best,


Peter





On 15/05/2017 20:09, Slau Halatyn wrote:

Hi Peter,
The key combination you mention is not used by Flo Tools but, more importantly, 
what that combination does is the opposite of what you're saying you're trying 
to do. It routes VoiceOver to the keyboard focused item rather than the other 
way around. Hope that clears things up.
Slau


On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  wrote:

Hi All,


I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my continuing fight to 
tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case anyone can help further, I need to 
route the highlight cursor to the VO cursor. The keystroke for this should be 
VO-shift-F4, but when I press that VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't 
happen.


Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to your 
suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots helps a lot, 
but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, what I'm trying to 
do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst arrowing down. This works, 
but when I then find a file I want to use, I can't easily use the context-menu 
to 'reveal in finder' for example, because the VO-cursor doesn't follow the 
arrowing.  That is why I was hoping to route the VO-cursor to the list, but no 
joy.


If you're still with me, then thanks for your patience, and can you suggest any 
work-around or method to make this process more productive?


Best,


Peter


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Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-16 Thread Slau Halatyn 
Hi Peter,
OK, that makes more sense. The contextual menu approach might be helpful but, 
if anything you wish to do involves clicking or dragging, the problem will be 
that lists of files might not necessarily scroll and thus VoiceOver can be 
focused on an item that is beyond the boundaries of the workspace's window. I 
know the Page Up and Down keys do work in workspace windows. The trouble is 
knowing whether something is truly in view. This is one of the issues I'll be 
working on shortly with Avid among other things. Keep us posted on your 
progress.

Slau

> On May 16, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi Slau, and thanks to you and others for replies so far.
> 
> 
> First, to clarify, I do actually want to route the VO cursor to the keyboard 
> cursor, so sorry if I added confusion to an already hard to explain operation.
> 
> 
> Second, the import file workaround won't do what I wanted, because as 
> somebody else pointed out, the WorkSpace is the only method which serches 
> through files on all meta-data and across many folders.
> 
> 
> Thirdly,  I'll try the OreoMonster's right-click idea and report back.
> 
> 
> Fourthly, here's one more try at explaining the scenario.
> 
> 
> After searching for, say, heavy rain, or whatever it might be, I have maybe a 
> hundred results from a large effects library.   If I press 'audition', then I 
> can down arrow, and quickly hear the start of each file.  But, when I find 
> one I need, I want to route the VO-cursor to it, so that I can use 
> VO-shift-M, which then lets me either spot it to the edit cursor, or reveal 
> it in finder.  At the moment, I have to try to count down the list, and then 
> re-locate it with the VO-cursor.
> 
> 
> The right-click method may do the trick and I'll try it ASAP, but if anybody 
> knows a simpler reliable way, please do say.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15/05/2017 20:09, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> The key combination you mention is not used by Flo Tools but, more 
>> importantly, what that combination does is the opposite of what you're 
>> saying you're trying to do. It routes VoiceOver to the keyboard focused item 
>> rather than the other way around. Hope that clears things up.
>> Slau
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my 
>>> continuing fight to tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case 
>>> anyone can help further, I need to route the highlight cursor to the VO 
>>> cursor. The keystroke for this should be VO-shift-F4, but when I press that 
>>> VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't happen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
>>> workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to your 
>>> suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots helps a 
>>> lot, but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, what I'm 
>>> trying to do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst arrowing 
>>> down. This works, but when I then find a file I want to use, I can't easily 
>>> use the context-menu to 'reveal in finder' for example, because the 
>>> VO-cursor doesn't follow the arrowing.  That is why I was hoping to route 
>>> the VO-cursor to the list, but no joy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you're still with me, then thanks for your patience, and can you suggest 
>>> any work-around or method to make this process more productive?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-16 Thread Peter Bosher 

Hi Slau, and thanks to you and others for replies so far.


First, to clarify, I do actually want to route the VO cursor to the 
keyboard cursor, so sorry if I added confusion to an already hard to 
explain operation.



Second, the import file workaround won't do what I wanted, because as 
somebody else pointed out, the WorkSpace is the only method which 
serches through files on all meta-data and across many folders.



Thirdly,  I'll try the OreoMonster's right-click idea and report back.


Fourthly, here's one more try at explaining the scenario.


After searching for, say, heavy rain, or whatever it might be, I have 
maybe a hundred results from a large effects library.   If I press 
'audition', then I can down arrow, and quickly hear the start of each 
file.  But, when I find one I need, I want to route the VO-cursor to it, 
so that I can use VO-shift-M, which then lets me either spot it to the 
edit cursor, or reveal it in finder.  At the moment, I have to try to 
count down the list, and then re-locate it with the VO-cursor.



The right-click method may do the trick and I'll try it ASAP, but if 
anybody knows a simpler reliable way, please do say.



Best,


Peter





On 15/05/2017 20:09, Slau Halatyn wrote:

Hi Peter,
The key combination you mention is not used by Flo Tools but, more importantly, 
what that combination does is the opposite of what you're saying you're trying 
to do. It routes VoiceOver to the keyboard focused item rather than the other 
way around. Hope that clears things up.
Slau


On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  wrote:

Hi All,


I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my continuing fight to 
tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case anyone can help further, I need to 
route the highlight cursor to the VO cursor. The keystroke for this should be 
VO-shift-F4, but when I press that VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't 
happen.


Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to your 
suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots helps a lot, 
but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, what I'm trying to 
do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst arrowing down. This works, 
but when I then find a file I want to use, I can't easily use the context-menu 
to 'reveal in finder' for example, because the VO-cursor doesn't follow the 
arrowing.  That is why I was hoping to route the VO-cursor to the list, but no 
joy.


If you're still with me, then thanks for your patience, and can you suggest any 
work-around or method to make this process more productive?


Best,


Peter


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Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-15 Thread Slau Halatyn 
Hi Peter,
The key combination you mention is not used by Flo Tools but, more importantly, 
what that combination does is the opposite of what you're saying you're trying 
to do. It routes VoiceOver to the keyboard focused item rather than the other 
way around. Hope that clears things up.
Slau

> On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my 
> continuing fight to tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case 
> anyone can help further, I need to route the highlight cursor to the VO 
> cursor. The keystroke for this should be VO-shift-F4, but when I press that 
> VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't happen.
> 
> 
> Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
> workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to your 
> suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots helps a 
> lot, but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, what I'm 
> trying to do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst arrowing down. 
> This works, but when I then find a file I want to use, I can't easily use the 
> context-menu to 'reveal in finder' for example, because the VO-cursor doesn't 
> follow the arrowing.  That is why I was hoping to route the VO-cursor to the 
> list, but no joy.
> 
> 
> If you're still with me, then thanks for your patience, and can you suggest 
> any work-around or method to make this process more productive?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-15 Thread TheOreoMonster 
In VO settings under the navigation category, set mouse pointer to follow VO 
cursor, (its set to ignore VO cursor by default). Then in The workspace when 
you find a file you want to import try Holding down control while clicking the 
mouse to bring up the standard right click menu. 

the
> On May 15, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is a FloTools keystroke conflict, but in my 
> continuing fight to tame the workspace, which I'll explain below in case 
> anyone can help further, I need to route the highlight cursor to the VO 
> cursor. The keystroke for this should be VO-shift-F4, but when I press that 
> VO speaks "presets", and the routing doesn't happen.
> 
> 
> Be that as it may, I've been trying for months now to find a really good 
> workflow for auditioning files from the workspace window.   Thanks to your 
> suggestions so far, I'm further on than I was, so using hot-spots helps a 
> lot, but still, when I have a hundred or more files to audition, what I'm 
> trying to do is quickly hear the beginning of each file whilst arrowing down. 
> This works, but when I then find a file I want to use, I can't easily use the 
> context-menu to 'reveal in finder' for example, because the VO-cursor doesn't 
> follow the arrowing.  That is why I was hoping to route the VO-cursor to the 
> list, but no joy.
> 
> 
> If you're still with me, then thanks for your patience, and can you suggest 
> any work-around or method to make this process more productive?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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Re: Possible FloTools keystroke conflict

2017-05-15 Thread 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility 
Hi Peter, may I suggest a different work around? You can go to import 
which is (Command, Shift I) then navigate to the folder you're files are 
in. Assuming they're all in one folder use (VO Home) to go to the top of 
the list or use first letter navigation for a specific file. You can 
then use the arrows to quickly scroll through the intros of the files as 
you've been doing. When you find the file you want simply press enter, 
Command W and enter twice. The file will now be placed on its own track 
provided you haven't changed any defaults. All you have to do is press 
(Command Shift I) again to go right back to where you were. I once had 
over 2000 files to go through for beds and the client wasn't sure where 
anything was. I had 50 correct files in the session in less than 5 
minutes going through all 2000 intros.


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