Re: A National Poll of the electorate.
Jess It is long time since an unsuspecting talk-back radio announcer accepted a call from me, let alone let me speak for long enough to get the switchboard to light up. It is really up to people like yourself who have not been tagged and gagged to get through the talk back circuits. Let us hear from you and a few others. The tiny group of freedom editors are well known and never allowed on air LIVE anymore. I wait to hear you live. Go to it Jess Tony -Original Message- From: Jess Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Antony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Wolter Joosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sunday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Queensland Radio' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ourradio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Bruce Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Derek Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Neil Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ian McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; City Country Alliance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Hugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Selwyn Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Brian McDermott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; McGuinness, Paddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Dorothy Pratt MLA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Neither Newsgroup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ron Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Pasquarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Paterson, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tony Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tom Round <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Paul Sheehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Graham Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Queensland Times' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Darryl Wheeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Letters The Australian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Noel Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Peter Brun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jim Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: A National Poll of the electorate. >Antony, > >I understand the problem and obviously you do to, but you are bent on the idea >that the law is lawful and fair. >Why don't you explain that on the ABC TV and inform the voting public as to the >method by which the ECQ and yourself believe that it is perfectly above board to >the possibility of removing ballots from the final count and then watch you >switchboard light up like a christmas tree. >The more people that start to understand what is going on with their ballots >during the counting process the more informed electorate we will have and a real >democracy will start to come forward. > >Remember that an election is not just to elect a representative but to elect a >representative the majority of electors agree with. > >I await the promotion and announcement for the scheduling of the program. Maybe >even a live disccusion with candidates and or a delegation of electors. > >Regards Jess > > >- Original Message - >From: "Antony Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Jess Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, 05 March, 2001 11:32 AM >Subject: Re: A National Poll of the electorate. > > >If you examine the publication "Elections Queensland", published in August >1995, and printed to provide information on voting and how the votes are >counted, you will find a lift-out called "Optional Preferential Voting >Tally Card". > >This provides a worked out and detailed tally sheet for an election showing >exactly what happens under optional preferential voting. This includes the >setting aside of exhausted votes, and the fall in the number of votes >required for a majority to be achieved. > >Exhausted preferences have been counted this way now at 4 Queensland >elections. They have been counted that way at 6 NSW elections. They are >counted that way in Western Australian elections in the special cases that >allow preferences to be exhausted. > >Exhausted preferences in the proportional representations systems in >Tasmania and the ACT are also set aside as exhausted and do not affect the >election of the final candidates after preferences. The same applies to the >special category of Senate votes that exhaust. > >In other words, the count has been conducted according to the electoral >act. It has been conducted according to the education material provided on >how optional preferential counting works. It has been conducted according >to the method used everywhere else in Australia. > >The position where exhausted preferences somehow prevent an election being >decided has NEVE
Re: A National Poll of the electorate.
Antony, I understand the problem and obviously you do to, but you are bent on the idea that the law is lawful and fair. Why don't you explain that on the ABC TV and inform the voting public as to the method by which the ECQ and yourself believe that it is perfectly above board to the possibility of removing ballots from the final count and then watch you switchboard light up like a christmas tree. The more people that start to understand what is going on with their ballots during the counting process the more informed electorate we will have and a real democracy will start to come forward. Remember that an election is not just to elect a representative but to elect a representative the majority of electors agree with. I await the promotion and announcement for the scheduling of the program. Maybe even a live disccusion with candidates and or a delegation of electors. Regards Jess - Original Message - From: "Antony Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jess Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 05 March, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: A National Poll of the electorate. If you examine the publication "Elections Queensland", published in August 1995, and printed to provide information on voting and how the votes are counted, you will find a lift-out called "Optional Preferential Voting Tally Card". This provides a worked out and detailed tally sheet for an election showing exactly what happens under optional preferential voting. This includes the setting aside of exhausted votes, and the fall in the number of votes required for a majority to be achieved. Exhausted preferences have been counted this way now at 4 Queensland elections. They have been counted that way at 6 NSW elections. They are counted that way in Western Australian elections in the special cases that allow preferences to be exhausted. Exhausted preferences in the proportional representations systems in Tasmania and the ACT are also set aside as exhausted and do not affect the election of the final candidates after preferences. The same applies to the special category of Senate votes that exhaust. In other words, the count has been conducted according to the electoral act. It has been conducted according to the education material provided on how optional preferential counting works. It has been conducted according to the method used everywhere else in Australia. The position where exhausted preferences somehow prevent an election being decided has NEVER existed in Australia. The "failed election" provision of the Commonwealth Electoral Act has no relevance to optional preferential voting, and anyway, is only a provision to provide an automatic re-election where ballot papers are missing, without the need for a Court of Disputed Returns challenge. If you want to change the law, win seats in parliament and change the law. But you will not re-interpet the law as it has applied exactly as it was meant to apply. If you have a problem with that, win seats in parliament to change the law. That's what elections are about. Antony Green This is the Neither public email list, open for the public and general discussion. To unsubscribe click here Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=unsubscribe To subscribe click here Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=subscribe For information on [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neither.org/lists/public-list.htm For archives http://www.mail-archive.com/public-list@neither.org