RE: Press.net News Ontology
Stephane, I am the IPTC representative for the Press Association and an active member of the working group that developed rNews. I can promise there is a lot going on with rNews as they work towards a 1.0 release due to be voted on at the next IPTC meeting in October. Bernard, The guys behind rNews are very good about answering questions of when and what. I suggest posting your question on the rnews forum, http://dev.iptc.org/Forum-1 Best, Jarred McGinnis, PhD Research Manager, Semantic Technologies PRESS ASSOCIATION www.pressassociation.com http://www.pressassociation.com/ jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com T: +44 (0) 2079 637 198 Extension: (7198) M: +44 (0) 7816 286 852 Registered Address: The Press Association Limited, 292 Vauxhall Bridge Road, London, SW1V 1AE. Registered in England No. 5946902 From: Stéphane Corlosquet [mailto:scorlosq...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2011 18:07 To: Bernard Vatant Cc: Jarred McGinnis; public-lod@w3.org; Semantic Web Subject: Re: Press.net News Ontology Hi Bernard, On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com wrote: Hello Stéphane Any idea when rNews will be available as an RDFS or OWL vocabulary? No idea. I do not represent rNews in any way, but it seems there has been lots of activity around rNews, so I would hope it's coming sooner rather than later. Steph. So far we have at least an URI for it http://dev.iptc.org/rnewsowl but no description :) Bernard 2011/9/8 Stéphane Corlosquet scorlosq...@gmail.com Hi Jarred, It seems to me that your work is similar or at least related to rNews [1]. I'm curious to know if you're looked at rNews when building the News Ontology. Do they complement each other, or are we re-inventing the wheel? Steph. [1] http://dev.iptc.org/rNews On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jarred McGinnis jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com wrote: Hello all, The Press Association has just published our first draft of a 'news' ontology (http://data.press.net/ontology). For each of the ontologies documented, we've included the motivation for the ontologies as well as some of the design decisions behind it. Also, you can get the rdf or ttl by adding the extension. For example, http://data.press.net/ontology/asset.rdf http://data.press.net/ontology/asset.rdf gives you the ontology described at http://data.press.net/ontology/asset/ .. Have a look at the ontology and tell us what you think. We think it is pretty good but feel free to point out our mistakes. We will fix it. Ask why we did it one way and not another. We will give you an answer. Paul Wilton of Ontoba has been working with us at the PA and has spelled out a lot of the guiding principles of this work at http://www.ontoba.com/blog. The reasons behind this work were talked about at SemTech 2011 San Fransisco: http://semtech2011.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=62proposalid=4134 Looking forward to hearing from you, Jarred McGinnis, PhD Research Manager, Semantic Technologies PRESS ASSOCIATION www.pressassociation.com http://www.pressassociation.com/ jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com T: +44 (0) 2079 637 198 tel:%2B44%20%280%29%202079%20637%20198 Extension: (7198) M: +44 (0) 7816 286 852 tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207816%20286%20852 Registered Address: The Press Association Limited, 292 Vauxhall Bridge Road, London, SW1V 1AE. Registered in England No. 5946902 This email is from the Press Association. For more information, see www.pressassociation.com. This email may contain confidential information. Only the addressee is permitted to read, copy, distribute or otherwise use this email or any attachments. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately. Any opinion expressed in this email is personal to the sender and may not reflect the opinion of the Press Association. Any email reply to this address may be subject to interception or monitoring for operational reasons or for lawful business practices. -- Bernard Vatant Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Mondeca 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com http://www.mondeca.com/ Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Scott, On 09/08/2011 04:38 PM, M. Scott Marshall wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? we have made an RDF version of GADM [1] available at [2], and are working on interlinking that dataset with other Linked Data sources (such as DBpedia and GeoNames). It's work in progress so we welcome feedback. There's also a list with some geospatial datasets [3]. Best regards, Andreas. [1] http://gadm.org/ [2] http://gadm.geovocab.org/ [3] http://wiki.planet-data.eu/web/GeoData
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Hi Scott, In the context of GeoLinkedData initiative, the Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) at UPM is publishing geospatial information of Spain [1]. This data set has labels in Spanish, English, and in Basque, Galician and Catalan, when appropriate. These are official languages in some regions in Spain. So, when geographical phenomena have names in the two languages that are official in a certain region (Spanish and one of the other languages), we have also included those labels. [1] http://geo.linkeddata.es Hope it helps! Regards, Elena El 08/09/2011 16:38, M. Scott Marshall escribió: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott -- Elena Montiel-Ponsoda Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial Facultad de Informática Campus de Montegancedo s/n Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, España www.oeg-upm.net Tel. (+34) 91 336 36 70 Fax (+34) 91 352 48 19
Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock news
All, FYI: we have re-launched the LATC (Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock) project homepage [1]. Check out the freely available reports on best practices for Linked Data publishing and consuming, the Publication Consumption Tools Library and the 24/7 Interlinking Platform. Note that our ongoing work, sponsored by the EC under the FP7 Programme, is available via the project's repository [2]. Cheers, Michael - LATC co-ordinator [1] http://latc-project.eu/ [2] https://github.com/LATC -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway Ireland, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
How about Geonames, Ordnance Survey (UK), LinkedGeoData and GeoLinkedData? Barry On 08.09.2011 15:38, M. Scott Marshall wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott
Re: Press.net News Ontology
Hi Steph There is clearly some crossover with rNews. Jarred has a nice diagram showing some of this, and I am sure he will follow up. However we feel with press.net we have gone much further than rNews particularly in acknowledging that news (in the majority of cases) is event driven. While rNews provides the abilty to mark up documents with meta tag associations to things in the real world, in many cases annotating directly like this does not in fact reflect the nature of news. In fact the news article in a large majority of cases should be annotated with the Event that story is about. It is the Event that then has the location, agents, factors, and date/time associated with it. Many news stories thus would be authored about the same event. We have provided a framework for this model, and also a lightweight model (framework) of the relationships between the stuff that news is about. So while rNews will undoubtedly have an impact on search and SEO, there are use-cases where it falls short. The press.net ontologies we have built we feel reflect the true nature of news, and lets consumers of news RDF repesented with this model (or APIs built around this model) to make rich and accurate aggregations of news content, distinguishing between content that is say genuinely about a Location (eg about its cultural heritage maybe), and news that is about an event that occurred in that location (eg a murder). best regards Paul Wilton
Re: Press.net News Ontology
Hi Bernard Many of the items on Bobs list we have done for good reason either for specialisation of the class, or for contract binding. For example pns:Person inherits from foaf:Person as we wanted to enhance the parent class, and make relationships to other entities in the model, similarly for Location, and Organization. But of course inference would result in the foaf statements being published too. Again the label / comment properties are subproperties of rdfs:label specifically for contract binding reasons. Thanks for pointing out the time namespace , I will fix it :) Writh respect to tagging, we are aware of a number of public domain tagging ontologies, but none of them have become the defacto tag ontology (as foaf has in its domain). As one emerges then I imagine we would want to inherit from it. But right now it didnt seem sensible. I will have a look at the bio ontology for birth/death - I was not aware of it. best regards Paul On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.comwrote: Adding to Bob's list with which I fully agree In http://data.press.net/ontology/stuff/ the namespace http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time/ used for time ontology is not correct. http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time/Instant is 404. Bing. The time ontology is indeed specified by http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time But the namespace is http://www.w3.org/2006/time# ... speak about good URI practice in W3C specs ;-) Bob is using cute prefixes pns, pna etc. I'm using them as recommended prefixes at http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/ where I just started adding them. (not quite sure if they are in the right vocabulary space, though ...) Best Bernard 2011/9/8 Bob Ferris z...@smiy.org Hi Jarred, at a first glance, here are my remarks: 1. pne:Event, pne:sub_event seem to be a bit duplicated. I guess, event:Event, event:sub_event are enough. 2. pne:title can be replaced by, e.g., dc:title. 3. pns:Person can be replaced by foaf:Person. 4. pns:Organization can be replaced by foaf:Organization. 5. pns:worksFor can be replaced by rel:employedBy [1]. 6. pns:Lcoation can be replaced by geo:SpatialThing 7. Re. the tagging terms, I would recommend to have a look at the Tag Ontology [2] or similar (see, e.g., [3]) 8. Re. biographical events I would recommend to have a look at the Bio Vocabulary [4], e.g., bio:birth/bio:death. 9. pns:label can be replaced by dc:title (or rdfs:label). 10. pns:comment can be replaced by dc:description (or rdfs:comment). 11. pns:describedBy can be replaced by wdrs:describedby [5]. 12. Re. bibliographic terms I would recommend to have a look at the Bibo Ontology [6], e.g., bibo:Image (or foaf:Image), or the FRBR Vocabulary [7], e.g., frbr:Text. 13. pna:hasThumbnail can be replaced by foaf:thumbnail. ... Please help us to create 'shared understanding' by reutilising terms of existing Semantic Web ontologies. Cheers, Bo [1] http://purl.org/vocab/**relationship/employedByhttp://purl.org/vocab/relationship/employedBy [2] http://www.holygoat.co.uk/**projects/tags/http://www.holygoat.co.uk/projects/tags/ [3] http://answers.semanticweb.**com/questions/1566/** ontologyvocabulary-and-design-**patterns-for-tags-and-tagged-**datahttp://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/1566/ontologyvocabulary-and-design-patterns-for-tags-and-tagged-data [4] http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/ [5] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/**powder-s#describedbyhttp://www.w3.org/2007/05/powder-s#describedby [6] http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/ [7] http://purl.org/vocab/frbr/**core# http://purl.org/vocab/frbr/core# On 9/8/2011 3:48 PM, Jarred McGinnis wrote: Hello all, The Press Association has just published our first draft of a 'news' ontology (_http://data.press.net/**ontology_http://data.press.net/ontology_). For each of the ontologies documented, we've included the motivation for the ontologies as well as some of the design decisions behind it. Also, you can get the rdf or ttl by adding the extension. For example, http://data.press.net/**ontology/asset.rdfhttp://data.press.net/ontology/asset.rdf http://**data.press.net/ontology/asset.**rdfhttp://data.press.net/ontology/asset.rdf gives you the ontology described at http://data.press.net/**ontology/asset/http://data.press.net/ontology/asset/.. Have a look at the ontology and tell us what you think. We think it is pretty good but feel free to point out our mistakes. We will fix it. Ask why we did it one way and not another. We will give you an answer. Paul Wilton of Ontoba has been working with us at the PA and has spelled out a lot of the guiding principles of this work at http://www.ontoba.com/blog. The reasons behind this work were talked about at SemTech 2011 San Fransisco: http://semtech2011.**semanticweb.com/sessionPop.** cfm?confid=62proposalid=4134http://semtech2011.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=62proposalid=4134 http://semtech2011.**semanticweb.com/sessionPop.**
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Hi Scott http://www.geonames.org is a good source of global Geospatial RDF linked data - it is a very large global dataset For the UK: http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk is a good option freebase also has a large global geospatial dataset cheers Paul On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:38 PM, M. Scott Marshall mscottmarsh...@gmail.comwrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott -- M. Scott Marshall http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:01 +0100, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:07 +0200, Karl Dubost wrote: # Using RDFa (not implemented in browsers) ul xmlns:geo=http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#; id=places-rdfa lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; geo:lat_long=45.5,-73.67Montréal/span, Canada/li lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Paris; geo:lat_long=48.856578,2.351828Paris/span, France/li /ul * Issue: Latitude and Longitude not separated (have to parse them with regex in JS) * Issue: xmlns with !doctype html # Question On RDFa vocabulary, I would really like a solution with geo:lat and geo:long, Ideas? Am I overlooking something obvious here? There is lat, long properties in wgs84 vocab. So, span about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat content=45.5 datatype=xsd:float/span span property=geo:lat content=-73.67 datatype=xsd:float/span Montreal /span Tabbed for readability. You might need to get rid of whitespace. -Sarven Better yet: li about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat ... -Sarven
Re: Press.net News Ontology
Hi Steph There is clearly some crossover with rNews. Jarred has a nice diagram showing some of this, and I am sure he will follow up. However we feel with press.net we have gone much further than rNews particularly in acknowledging that news (in the majority of cases) is event driven. While rNews provides the abilty to mark up documents with meta tag associations to things in the real world, in many cases annotating directly like this does not in fact reflect the nature of news. In fact the news article in a large majority of cases should be annotated with the Event that story is about. It is the Event that then has the location, agents, factors, and date/time associated with it. Many news stories thus would be authored about the same event. We have provided a framework for this model, and also a lightweight model (framework) of the relationships between the stuff that news is about. So while rNews will undoubtedly have an impact on search and SEO, there are use-cases where it falls short. The press.net ontologies we have built we feel reflect the true nature of news, and lets consumers of news RDF repesented with this model (or APIs built around this model) to make rich and accurate aggregations of news content, distinguishing between content that is say genuinely about a Location (eg about its cultural heritage maybe), and news that is about an event that occurred in that location (eg a murder). best regards Paul Wilton On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Stéphane Corlosquet scorlosq...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jarred, It seems to me that your work is similar or at least related to rNews [1].. I'm curious to know if you're looked at rNews when building the News Ontology. Do they complement each other, or are we re-inventing the wheel? Steph. [1] http://dev.iptc.org/rNews On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jarred McGinnis jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com wrote: ** ** ** ** ** ** Hello all, ** ** The Press Association has just published our first draft of a 'news' ontology (*http://data.press.net/ontology*). For each of the ontologies documented, we've included the motivation for the ontologies as well as some of the design decisions behind it. Also, you can get the rdf or ttl by adding the extension. For example, http://data.press.net/ontology/asset .rdf gives you the ontology described at http://data.press.net/ontology/asset/ ... ** ** Have a look at the ontology and tell us what you think. We think it is pretty good but feel free to point out our mistakes. We will fix it. Ask why we did it one way and not another. We will give you an answer. ** ** Paul Wilton of Ontoba has been working with us at the PA and has spelled out a lot of the guiding principles of this work at http://www.ontoba.com/blog. ** ** The reasons behind this work were talked about at SemTech 2011 San Fransisco: http://semtech2011.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=62proposalid=4134 ** ** Looking forward to hearing from you, ** ** *Jarred McGinnis, PhD* *Research Manager, Semantic Technologies* *PRESS** **ASSOCIATION*** *www.pressassociation.com* jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com T: +44 (0) 2079 637 198 Extension: (7198) M: +44 (0) 7816 286 852 ** ** Registered Address: The Press Association Limited, 292 Vauxhall Bridge Road**, London, SW1V 1AE**. Registered in England No. 5946902 ** ** This email is from the Press Association. For more information, see www.pressassociation.com. This email may contain confidential information. Only the addressee is permitted to read, copy, distribute or otherwise use this email or any attachments. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately. Any opinion expressed in this email is personal to the sender and may not reflect the opinion of the Press Association. Any email reply to this address may be subject to interception or monitoring for operational reasons or for lawful business practices.
Re: Press.net News Ontology
Hi Steph There is clearly some crossover with rNews. Jarred has a nice diagram showing some of this, and I am sure he will follow up. However we feel with press.net we have gone much further than rNews particularly in acknowledging that news (in the majority of cases) is event driven. While rNews provides the abilty to mark up documents with meta tag associations to things in the real world, in many cases annotating directly like this does not in fact reflect the nature of news. In fact the news article in a large majority of cases should be annotated with the Event that story is about. It is the Event that then has the location, agents, factors, and date/time associated with it. Many news stories thus would be authored about the same event. We have provided a framework for this model, and also a lightweight model (framework) of the relationships between the stuff that news is about. So while rNews will undoubtedly have an impact on search and SEO, there are use-cases where it falls short. The press.net ontologies we have built we feel reflect the true nature of news, and lets consumers of news RDF repesented with this model (or APIs built around this model) to make rich and accurate aggregations of news content, distinguishing between content that is say genuinely about a Location (eg about its cultural heritage maybe), and news that is about an event that occurred in that location (eg a murder). best regards Paul Wilton On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Stéphane Corlosquet scorlosq...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jarred, It seems to me that your work is similar or at least related to rNews [1].. I'm curious to know if you're looked at rNews when building the News Ontology. Do they complement each other, or are we re-inventing the wheel? Steph. [1] http://dev.iptc.org/rNews On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jarred McGinnis jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com wrote: ** ** ** ** ** ** Hello all, ** ** The Press Association has just published our first draft of a 'news' ontology (*http://data.press.net/ontology*). For each of the ontologies documented, we've included the motivation for the ontologies as well as some of the design decisions behind it. Also, you can get the rdf or ttl by adding the extension. For example, http://data.press.net/ontology/asset .rdf gives you the ontology described at http://data.press.net/ontology/asset/ ... ** ** Have a look at the ontology and tell us what you think. We think it is pretty good but feel free to point out our mistakes. We will fix it. Ask why we did it one way and not another. We will give you an answer. ** ** Paul Wilton of Ontoba has been working with us at the PA and has spelled out a lot of the guiding principles of this work at http://www.ontoba.com/blog. ** ** The reasons behind this work were talked about at SemTech 2011 San Fransisco: http://semtech2011.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=62proposalid=4134 ** ** Looking forward to hearing from you, ** ** *Jarred McGinnis, PhD* *Research Manager, Semantic Technologies* *PRESS** **ASSOCIATION*** *www.pressassociation.com* jarred.mcgin...@pressassociation.com T: +44 (0) 2079 637 198 Extension: (7198) M: +44 (0) 7816 286 852 ** ** Registered Address: The Press Association Limited, 292 Vauxhall Bridge Road**, London, SW1V 1AE**. Registered in England No. 5946902 ** ** This email is from the Press Association. For more information, see www.pressassociation.com. This email may contain confidential information. Only the addressee is permitted to read, copy, distribute or otherwise use this email or any attachments. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately. Any opinion expressed in this email is personal to the sender and may not reflect the opinion of the Press Association. Any email reply to this address may be subject to interception or monitoring for operational reasons or for lawful business practices.
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
On 9/9/11 5:57 AM, Andreas Harth wrote: Scott, On 09/08/2011 04:38 PM, M. Scott Marshall wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? we have made an RDF version of GADM [1] available at [2], and are working on interlinking that dataset with other Linked Data sources (such as DBpedia and GeoNames). It's work in progress so we welcome feedback. There's also a list with some geospatial datasets [3]. Best regards, Andreas. [1] http://gadm.org/ [2] http://gadm.geovocab.org/ [3] http://wiki.planet-data.eu/web/GeoData Andreas, Do you provide an RDF dump of your GADM data? -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Hi, As well as the others already mentioned there's also Yahoo Geoplanet: http://beta.kasabi.com/dataset/yahoo-geoplanet This has multi-lingual labels and is cross-linked to the Ordnance Survey data, Dbpedia, but that could be improved. As for a list, there are currently 34 geography related datasets listed in Kasabi here: http://beta.kasabi.com/browse/datasets/results/og_category%3A147 Cheers, L. On 8 September 2011 15:38, M. Scott Marshall mscottmarsh...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott -- M. Scott Marshall http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:01 +0100, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:07 +0200, Karl Dubost wrote: # Using RDFa (not implemented in browsers) ul xmlns:geo=http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#; id=places-rdfa lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; geo:lat_long=45.5,-73.67Montréal/span, Canada/li lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Paris; geo:lat_long=48.856578,2.351828Paris/span, France/li /ul * Issue: Latitude and Longitude not separated (have to parse them with regex in JS) * Issue: xmlns with !doctype html # Question On RDFa vocabulary, I would really like a solution with geo:lat and geo:long, Ideas? Am I overlooking something obvious here? There is lat, long properties in wgs84 vocab. So, span about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat content=45.5 datatype=xsd:float/span span property=geo:lat content=-73.67 datatype=xsd:float/span Montreal /span Tabbed for readability. You might need to get rid of whitespace. -Sarven Better yet: li about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat ... -Sarven -- Leigh Dodds Product Lead, Kasabi Mobile: 07850 928381 http://kasabi.com http://talis.com Talis Systems Ltd 43 Temple Row Birmingham B2 5LS
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
On 9/9/11 8:58 AM, Leigh Dodds wrote: Hi, As well as the others already mentioned there's also Yahoo Geoplanet: http://beta.kasabi.com/dataset/yahoo-geoplanet This has multi-lingual labels and is cross-linked to the Ordnance Survey data, Dbpedia, but that could be improved. As for a list, there are currently 34 geography related datasets listed in Kasabi here: http://beta.kasabi.com/browse/datasets/results/og_category%3A147 Leigh, Can anyone access these datasets or must they obtain a kasabi account en route to authenticated access? Kingsley Cheers, L. On 8 September 2011 15:38, M. Scott Marshallmscottmarsh...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott -- M. Scott Marshall http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sarven Capadislii...@csarven.ca wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:01 +0100, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:07 +0200, Karl Dubost wrote: # Using RDFa (not implemented in browsers) ul xmlns:geo=http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#; id=places-rdfa lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; geo:lat_long=45.5,-73.67Montréal/span, Canada/li lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Paris; geo:lat_long=48.856578,2.351828Paris/span, France/li /ul * Issue: Latitude and Longitude not separated (have to parse them with regex in JS) * Issue: xmlns with!doctype html # Question On RDFa vocabulary, I would really like a solution with geo:lat and geo:long, Ideas? Am I overlooking something obvious here? There is lat, long properties in wgs84 vocab. So, span about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat content=45.5 datatype=xsd:float/span span property=geo:lat content=-73.67 datatype=xsd:float/span Montreal /span Tabbed for readability. You might need to get rid of whitespace. -Sarven Better yet: li about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat ... -Sarven -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Kingsley, On 09/09/2011 10:20 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/9/11 8:58 AM, Leigh Dodds wrote: Hi, As well as the others already mentioned there's also Yahoo Geoplanet: http://beta.kasabi.com/dataset/yahoo-geoplanet This has multi-lingual labels and is cross-linked to the Ordnance Survey data, Dbpedia, but that could be improved. As for a list, there are currently 34 geography related datasets listed in Kasabi here: http://beta.kasabi.com/browse/datasets/results/og_category%3A147 Leigh, Can anyone access these datasets or must they obtain a kasabi account en route to authenticated access? Been a while. ;-) From the Kasabi FAQ: Why do you require API Keys? An important part of Kasabi is letting data providers explore the potential (commercial and utility) of their data. API Keys let us track the actual usage of each dataset and API, giving us the ability to provide stats to the data providers and curators. With these stats, they are in a better position to understand how their data is being used, and to what extent it's being picked up. also relevant: Can I download a dataset? No. Kasabi is a hosted service, and downloading data isn't a feature we're planning to support. The reasoning behind this is partly for data providers to be able to see how their data is being used, and partly because we see Kasabi's role in curation as being a valuable aspect of the marketplace. We can't keep download versions up to date, for example. Data providers may make datasets available for download on their own terms, but not via Kasabi. Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend! Patrick Kingsley Cheers, L. On 8 September 2011 15:38, M. Scott Marshallmscottmarsh...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that dbpedia is a de facto source of URIs for geographical place names. I would expect to find a more specialized source. I think that I saw one mentioned here in the last few months. Are there alternatives that are possible more fine-grained or designed specifically for geo data? With multi-lingual labels? Perhaps somebody has kept track of the options on a website? -Scott -- M. Scott Marshall http://staff.science.uva.nl/~marshall On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Sarven Capadislii...@csarven.ca wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:01 +0100, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 14:07 +0200, Karl Dubost wrote: # Using RDFa (not implemented in browsers) ul xmlns:geo=http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#; id=places-rdfa lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; geo:lat_long=45.5,-73.67Montréal/span, Canada/li lispan about=http://www.dbpedia.org/resource/Paris; geo:lat_long=48.856578,2.351828Paris/span, France/li /ul * Issue: Latitude and Longitude not separated (have to parse them with regex in JS) * Issue: xmlns with!doctype html # Question On RDFa vocabulary, I would really like a solution with geo:lat and geo:long, Ideas? Am I overlooking something obvious here? There is lat, long properties in wgs84 vocab. So, span about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat content=45.5 datatype=xsd:float/span span property=geo:lat content=-73.67 datatype=xsd:float/span Montreal /span Tabbed for readability. You might need to get rid of whitespace. -Sarven Better yet: li about=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Montreal; span property=geo:lat ... -Sarven -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
Hi Kingsley, On 9 September 2011 15:20, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 9/9/11 8:58 AM, Leigh Dodds wrote: Hi, As well as the others already mentioned there's also Yahoo Geoplanet: http://beta.kasabi.com/dataset/yahoo-geoplanet This has multi-lingual labels and is cross-linked to the Ordnance Survey data, Dbpedia, but that could be improved. As for a list, there are currently 34 geography related datasets listed in Kasabi here: http://beta.kasabi.com/browse/datasets/results/og_category%3A147 Leigh, Can anyone access these datasets or must they obtain a kasabi account en route to authenticated access? As I've said (repeatedly!) there's no authentication around any of Linked Data. That might be an option for publishers in future, but not during the beta and not for any of the open datasets which we've published currently. API keys are only required for the APIs, e.g. SPARQL, search, etc. The choice of authentication options will increase in future. So I encourage you to actually go and have a look. There's a direct link to the Linked Data views from every homepage. Here's a pointer to the blog post I wrote and circulated after our last discussion: http://blog.kasabi.com/2011/08/12/linked-data-in-kasabi/ Cheers, L. -- Leigh Dodds Product Lead, Kasabi Mobile: 07850 928381 http://kasabi.com http://talis.com Talis Systems Ltd 43 Temple Row Birmingham B2 5LS
Re: Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock news
Hi Michael,
Thank you for using a lower-case n. My first thought was Oh {expletive
deleted}, here we go again!, but the n made me click. Around-The-Clock News
(and Weather Community Culture) are something entirely different
Around-The-Clock data[1,2]. An always-on/off user schedule assumption works
for appliances, but a cadastral map, even coarse grained, is necessary to
prevent encroachment on the personal privacy of human users. A reference from
the GPS on an appliance to a cadastral map renders anonymous the location of
a human appliance user. Also known as hide in plain sight :o)
INSPIRE Spatial Things, Spatial Objects, and Theme=CP (Cadastral parcels
) help quite a bit. The US Library of Congress Country URI (Spatial Things)
and Geographic Area URI (Spatial Objects) help too, although a PURL[3] could be
used to reconcile LOC-ID and INSPIRE URI formats.
The complete data sets, unfortunately, are very big. An LDAP Address Book
tool to hold map fragments off-line is a good idea. I have US and Australian
Weather Stations as a test case in an OpenOffice DB. It's a slow monstrosity
and hard to move. The extracts (with links) are a bit better, but still large
files.
--Gannon
[1] Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition
Have Failed
http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=9780300078152
[2] The Latitude Effect
http://tinyurl.com/white-nights-forever
[3] PURL Home Page
http://purl.org/docs/index.html
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Michael Hausenblas michael.hausenb...@deri.org wrote:
From: Michael Hausenblas michael.hausenb...@deri.org
Subject: Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock news
To: Linked Data community public-lod@w3.org
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 7:20 AM
All,
FYI: we have re-launched the LATC (Linked Open Data
Around-The-Clock) project homepage [1]. Check out the freely
available reports on best practices for Linked Data
publishing and consuming, the Publication Consumption
Tools Library and the 24/7 Interlinking Platform.
Note that our ongoing work, sponsored by the EC under the
FP7 Programme, is available via the project's repository
[2].
Cheers,
Michael - LATC co-ordinator
[1] http://latc-project.eu/
[2] https://github.com/LATC
--
Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
Ireland, Europe
Tel. +353 91 495730
http://linkeddata.deri.ie/
http://sw-app.org/about.html
Re: Question: Authoritative URIs for Geo locations? Multi-lingual labels?
On 9/9/11 11:08 AM, Leigh Dodds wrote: As I've said (repeatedly!) there's no authentication around any of Linked Data. That might be an option for publishers in future, but not during the beta and not for any of the open datasets which we've published currently. API keys are only required for the APIs, e.g. SPARQL, search, etc. The choice of authentication options will increase in future. So I encourage you to actually go and have a look. There's a direct link to the Linked Data views from every homepage. Here's a pointer to the blog post I wrote and circulated after our last discussion: http://blog.kasabi.com/2011/08/12/linked-data-in-kasabi/ Of course I went there, but I couldn't get at a dump. http://beta.kasabi.com/dataset/yahoo-geoplanet is a page without a link to an actual dump. It provides a variety of options for access the data piecemeal. That's the confusing aspect to me re. interpretation of the meaning of a dataset associated with a URL. You have a page about how to access portions of the dataset in question, and depending on your data access choice(s) you may or may not be challenged for authenticated access. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock news
Gannon,
Thanks for your feedback. As usual, very interesting! I'll have a
deeper look into it and maybe we can follow-up on the eGov IG meetings?
Cheers,
Michael
--
Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
Ireland, Europe
Tel. +353 91 495730
http://linkeddata.deri.ie/
http://sw-app.org/about.html
On 9 Sep 2011, at 16:19, Gannon Dick wrote:
Hi Michael,
Thank you for using a lower-case n. My first thought was Oh
{expletive deleted}, here we go again!, but the n made me click.
Around-The-Clock News (and Weather Community Culture) are
something entirely different Around-The-Clock data[1,2]. An always-
on/off user schedule assumption works for appliances, but a
cadastral map, even coarse grained, is necessary to prevent
encroachment on the personal privacy of human users. A reference
from the GPS on an appliance to a cadastral map renders anonymous
the location of a human appliance user. Also known as hide in
plain sight :o)
INSPIRE Spatial Things, Spatial Objects, and Theme=CP (Cadastral
parcels
) help quite a bit. The US Library of Congress Country URI (Spatial
Things) and Geographic Area URI (Spatial Objects) help too, although
a PURL[3] could be used to reconcile LOC-ID and INSPIRE URI formats.
The complete data sets, unfortunately, are very big. An LDAP
Address Book tool to hold map fragments off-line is a good idea.
I have US and Australian Weather Stations as a test case in an
OpenOffice DB. It's a slow monstrosity and hard to move. The
extracts (with links) are a bit better, but still large files.
--Gannon
[1] Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human
Condition Have Failed
http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=9780300078152
[2] The Latitude Effect
http://tinyurl.com/white-nights-forever
[3] PURL Home Page
http://purl.org/docs/index.html
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Michael Hausenblas michael.hausenb...@deri.org
wrote:
From: Michael Hausenblas michael.hausenb...@deri.org
Subject: Linked Open Data Around-The-Clock news
To: Linked Data community public-lod@w3.org
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 7:20 AM
All,
FYI: we have re-launched the LATC (Linked Open Data
Around-The-Clock) project homepage [1]. Check out the freely
available reports on best practices for Linked Data
publishing and consuming, the Publication Consumption
Tools Library and the 24/7 Interlinking Platform.
Note that our ongoing work, sponsored by the EC under the
FP7 Programme, is available via the project's repository
[2].
Cheers,
Michael - LATC co-ordinator
[1] http://latc-project.eu/
[2] https://github.com/LATC
--
Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
Ireland, Europe
Tel. +353 91 495730
http://linkeddata.deri.ie/
http://sw-app.org/about.html
