Re: [datahub-discuss] Lot's of eggs, but where is the chicken? Foundation of a Data ID Unit
Hi Michel, this looks very similar. DataID is just a fancy name to pool efforts under it. Here is a Gretchenfrage: Do you have a list of URLs with existing HCLSDatasetDescriptions ? If yes, could you submit this list here: https://github.com/dbpedia/dataId/blob/master/TheListOfDataIDUrlsOnTheWeb.txt If we end up with a slightly different format (which I don't think will happen) we can write a small converter. We are also looking for people to join the group and provide more client implementations, i.e. DataId to Jena Assembler or Virtuoso Load Scripts or LOD2 Debian packages. All the best, Sebastian On 17.04.2014 22:55, Michel Dumontier wrote: Hi, we have just released a draft version of our W3C note on dataset description [1] for comment. It would be worthwhile to compare this with your DataID proposal, so as to see what considerations our community had, and whether we have inadvertently missed something that you may require. Cheers, m. [1] http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html Michel Dumontier Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford University Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest Group http://dumontierlab.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de mailto:hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Dear all, I would like to wish you a Happy Easter. At the same time, I have an issue, which concerns LOD and data on the web in general. As a community, we have all contributed to this image: http://lod-cloud.net/versions/2011-09-19/lod-cloud.html (which is now three years old) You can see a lot of eggs on it, but the meta data (the chicken) is: - inaccurate - out-dated - infeasible to maintain manually (this is my opinion. I find it hard to belief that we will start updating triple and link counts manually) Here one pertinent example: http://datahub.io/dataset/dbpedia - (this is still linking to DBpedia 3.5.1) Following the foundation of the DBpedia Association we would like to start to solve this problem with the help of a new group called DataIDUnit (http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/DataIDUnit) using rough consensus and working code as their codex: http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/ The first goal will be to find some good existing vocabularies and then provide a working version for DBpedia. A student from Leipzig (Markus Freudenberg) will implement a push DataId to Datahub via its API feature. This will help us describe the chicken better, that laid all these eggs. Happy Easter, all feedback is welcome, we hope not to duplicate efforts. Sebastian -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group DBpedia Association Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) Events: * *21st March, 2014*: LD4LT Kick-Off https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_and_Roadmap_Meeting @European Data Forum * *Sept. 1-5, 2014* Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** *Sept 2nd*, MLODE 2014 ** *Sept 3rd*, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** *Sept 4th-5th*, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) http://semantics.cc/ Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis ___ datahub-discuss mailing list datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org mailto:datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/datahub-discuss -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) affiliated with DBpedia Events: * *21st March, 2014*: LD4LT Kick-Off https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_and_Roadmap_Meeting @European Data Forum * *Sept. 1-5, 2014* Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** *Sept 2nd*, MLODE 2014 ** *Sept 3rd*, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** *Sept 4th-5th*, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) http://semantics.cc/ Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis
Re: [datahub-discuss] Lot's of eggs, but where is the chicken? Foundation of a Data ID Unit
This is interesting...So, could *someone* please provide context w.r.t. a couple prior and/or ongoing efforts: * W3C DCAT http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ * Schema.og/Dataset http://schema.org/Dataset * Various Research Data Alliance (RDA) WGs on data citation, persistent identification and typing of data/datasets http://rd-alliance.org/ * The new W3C Data activity http://www.w3.org/2013/data/ etc... On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Hi Michel, this looks very similar. DataID is just a fancy name to pool efforts under it. Here is a Gretchenfrage: Do you have a list of URLs with existing HCLSDatasetDescriptions ? If yes, could you submit this list here: https://github.com/dbpedia/dataId/blob/master/TheListOfDataIDUrlsOnTheWeb.txt If we end up with a slightly different format (which I don't think will happen) we can write a small converter. We are also looking for people to join the group and provide more client implementations, i.e. DataId to Jena Assembler or Virtuoso Load Scripts or LOD2 Debian packages. All the best, Sebastian On 17.04.2014 22:55, Michel Dumontier wrote: Hi, we have just released a draft version of our W3C note on dataset description [1] for comment. It would be worthwhile to compare this with your DataID proposal, so as to see what considerations our community had, and whether we have inadvertently missed something that you may require. Cheers, m. [1] http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html Michel Dumontier Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford University Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest Group http://dumontierlab.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Dear all, I would like to wish you a Happy Easter. At the same time, I have an issue, which concerns LOD and data on the web in general. As a community, we have all contributed to this image: http://lod-cloud.net/versions/2011-09-19/lod-cloud.html (which is now three years old) You can see a lot of eggs on it, but the meta data (the chicken) is: - inaccurate - out-dated - infeasible to maintain manually (this is my opinion. I find it hard to belief that we will start updating triple and link counts manually) Here one pertinent example: http://datahub.io/dataset/dbpedia - (this is still linking to DBpedia 3.5.1) Following the foundation of the DBpedia Association we would like to start to solve this problem with the help of a new group called DataIDUnit (http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/DataIDUnit) using rough consensus and working code as their codex: http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/ The first goal will be to find some good existing vocabularies and then provide a working version for DBpedia. A student from Leipzig (Markus Freudenberg) will implement a push DataId to Datahub via its API feature. This will help us describe the chicken better, that laid all these eggs. Happy Easter, all feedback is welcome, we hope not to duplicate efforts. Sebastian -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group DBpedia Association Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) Events: * 21st March, 2014: LD4LT Kick-Off @European Data Forum * Sept. 1-5, 2014 Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** Sept 2nd, MLODE 2014 ** Sept 3rd, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** Sept 4th-5th, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis ___ datahub-discuss mailing list datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/datahub-discuss -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) affiliated with DBpedia Events: * 21st March, 2014: LD4LT Kick-Off @European Data Forum * Sept. 1-5, 2014 Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** Sept 2nd, MLODE 2014 ** Sept 3rd, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** Sept 4th-5th, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis -- John S. Erickson, Ph.D. Deputy Director, Web Science Research Center Tetherless World Constellation (RPI) http://tw.rpi.edu olyerick...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: olyerickson
Re: Lot's of eggs, but where is the chicken? Foundation of a Data ID Unit
Hi Sebastian, If you want to bring metadata up to date ... 150 years ago, or so Gauss offered up an algorithm for calculating the date of Easter. The procedure is accurate to within 3 days. It can also be modified to compute the older Passover and lots of variants [1]. If you are neither Christian nor Jew, no problem, you probably know one. Gauss (and his contemporary Thomson/Kelvin) may have been pious, but they were engineers and therefore sneaky bast'rds. The precision is important as it enables you to link lunar month (tides) and the Spring Equinox without introducing those parameters into the harmonic calculation. Gauss was interpolating the Spring Equinox as half the distance (backwards) from Next Summer to Last Winter. http://www.rustprivacy.org/2014/balance/Easter.ods http://www.rustprivacy.org/2014/balance/Easter.xls (use the ODS version if possible, there is no EASTERSUNDAY() function in EXCEL) I am also a sneaky bas..., um, kindred spirit, and observe that if you compute the haversine(DOY)=(1-cos(DOY))/2=sin(DOY/2)^2 on the quarter, that is (1460+1 (Leap) Day/16) then you get a Season phase (hour) angle ... Spring(.5),Summer(1),Fall(.5),Winter(0) and furthermore, this works for any square codeset or set of acronyms. The groups [Spring,Summer,Fall]=[Agricultural Year] and [Fall,Winter,Spring]=[Academic Year] are always present. There is no use concerning yourself with timestamps and fractional phase angles and the binomial distribution because, as Gauss knew, if you are correct within 3 days, Easter is the one that's a Sunday. Happy Easter :-) --Gannon [1] http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/easter/eastercalculator.htm On Thu, 4/17/14, Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Subject: Lot's of eggs, but where is the chicken? Foundation of a Data ID Unit To: public-lod public-lod@w3.org, public-gld-comme...@w3.org, datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014, 8:29 AM Dear all, I would like to wish you a Happy Easter. At the same time, I have an issue, which concerns LOD and data on the web in general. As a community, we have all contributed to this image: http://lod-cloud.net/versions/2011-09-19/lod-cloud.html (which is now three years old) You can see a lot of eggs on it, but the meta data (the chicken) is: - inaccurate - out-dated - infeasible to maintain manually (this is my opinion. I find it hard to belief that we will start updating triple and link counts manually) Here one pertinent example: http://datahub.io/dataset/dbpedia - (this is still linking to DBpedia 3.5.1) Following the foundation of the DBpedia Association we would like to start to solve this problem with the help of a new group called DataIDUnit (http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/DataIDUnit) using rough consensus and working code as their codex: http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/ The first goal will be to find some good existing vocabularies and then provide a working version for DBpedia. A student from Leipzig (Markus Freudenberg) will implement a push DataId to Datahub via its API feature. This will help us describe the chicken better, that laid all these eggs. Happy Easter, all feedback is welcome, we hope not to duplicate efforts. Sebastian -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group DBpedia Association Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) Events: * 21st March, 2014: LD4LT Kick-Off @European Data Forum * Sept. 1-5, 2014 Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** Sept 2nd, MLODE 2014 ** Sept 3rd, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** Sept 4th-5th, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis
Re: [datahub-discuss] Lot's of eggs, but where is the chicken? Foundation of a Data ID Unit
Hi, we have just released a draft version of our W3C note on dataset description [1] for comment. It would be worthwhile to compare this with your DataID proposal, so as to see what considerations our community had, and whether we have inadvertently missed something that you may require. Cheers, m. [1] http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html Michel Dumontier Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford University Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest Group http://dumontierlab.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Dear all, I would like to wish you a Happy Easter. At the same time, I have an issue, which concerns LOD and data on the web in general. As a community, we have all contributed to this image: http://lod-cloud.net/versions/2011-09-19/lod-cloud.html (which is now three years old) You can see a lot of eggs on it, but the meta data (the chicken) is: - inaccurate - out-dated - infeasible to maintain manually (this is my opinion. I find it hard to belief that we will start updating triple and link counts manually) Here one pertinent example: http://datahub.io/dataset/dbpedia - (this is still linking to DBpedia 3.5.1) Following the foundation of the DBpedia Association we would like to start to solve this problem with the help of a new group called DataIDUnit ( http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/DataIDUnit) using rough consensus and working code as their codex: http://wiki.dbpedia.org/coop/ The first goal will be to find some good existing vocabularies and then provide a working version for DBpedia. A student from Leipzig (Markus Freudenberg) will implement a push DataId to Datahub via its API feature. This will help us describe the chicken better, that laid all these eggs. Happy Easter, all feedback is welcome, we hope not to duplicate efforts. Sebastian -- Sebastian Hellmann AKSW/NLP2RDF research group DBpedia Association Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) Events: * *21st March, 2014*: LD4LT Kick-Offhttps://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_and_Roadmap_Meeting@European Data Forum * *Sept. 1-5, 2014* Conference Week in Leipzig, including ** *Sept 2nd*, MLODE 2014 ** *Sept 3rd*, 2nd DBpedia Community Meeting ** *Sept 4th-5th*, SEMANTiCS (formerly i-SEMANTICS) http://semantics.cc/ Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lthttp://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org Thesis: http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis ___ datahub-discuss mailing list datahub-disc...@lists.okfn.org https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/datahub-discuss
