Re: [admin] Publishing specs before TPAC: CfC start deadline is Oct 15

2012-10-01 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote:
 * Gamepad - Scott, Ted - what's the status of the spec and its
 implementation?

We probably need to discuss a bit more, but I think the spec is pretty
close to a first version. The one large issue that we haven't tackled
yet is how button layouts should be described. Scott and I have talked
about that a bit, but we need to nail it down. I'm reasonably happy
with the rest of it, I think there's enough there to be useful without
wandering off into more complex territory.

AFAIK Chrome has shipped an implementation. The Firefox implementation
is hung up in review still because it's been a side project for me.
I'd like to get it landed in nightly builds soon.

-Ted



Re: [admin] Call for Editor for XHR REC track doc

2012-10-01 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 9/25/12 7:00 PM, ext Arthur Barstow wrote:

If you are interested in this Editor position, please contact me offlist.


Thanks to those that expressed interest in helping move the XHR spec 
along the Recommendation track.


We selected three co-Editors for this spec: Julian Aubourg (jQuery), 
Jungkee Song (Samsung) and Hallvord Steen (Opera).


-Regards, Art and Chaals


[XHR] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/xhr/raw-file/tip/Overview.html





RE: In WebIDL, should having a .prototype on interface objects be optional?

2012-10-01 Thread Travis Leithead
From: Rick Waldron [mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com] 

 I wasn't specific enough in my original question, but I did note that I 
 wasn't referring to construction exceptions, so I'm guessing by your response 
 that you actually _just_ meant testing for constructability. I apologize 
 for not being clearer, but I was actually referring to the URL string 
 parameter itself, and how to test if passing an argument to the constructor 
 is supported (the example I gave falls short of answering that question). 

Loosely related... will invalid URL string parameters throw in the same manner 
that invalid selectors throw? eg. context.querySelector(?)

Hmm, that's not a question for WebIDL, as far as I know. The spec defining the 
constructor behavior would need to specify that.





Re: In WebIDL, should having a .prototype on interface objects be optional?

2012-10-01 Thread Rick Waldron
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Travis Leithead 
travis.leith...@microsoft.com wrote:

 From: Rick Waldron [mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com]
 
  I wasn't specific enough in my original question, but I did note that I
 wasn't referring to construction exceptions, so I'm guessing by your
 response that you actually _just_ meant testing for constructability. I
 apologize for not being clearer, but I was actually referring to the URL
 string parameter itself, and how to test if passing an argument to the
 constructor is supported (the example I gave falls short of answering that
 question).
 
 Loosely related... will invalid URL string parameters throw in the same
 manner that invalid selectors throw? eg. context.querySelector(?)

 Hmm, that's not a question for WebIDL, as far as I know. The spec defining
 the constructor behavior would need to specify that.


Fair enought, apologies for the noise. Thanks!

Rick


Re: [IndexedDB] blocked event could be an error

2012-10-01 Thread David Grogan
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM, João Eiras jo...@opera.com wrote:
 
http://odinho.html5.org/IndexedDB/spec/Overview.html
 
 
  Like I said, I think it's too late to make such a big change. I
  believe it's much too late to make such a change in IE10, and we have
  been shipping Firefox with the current behavior for quite a while now
  (and are about to unprefix with our current behavior).
 
  / Jonas
 
 
  Sorry but it is not late. It's actually quite early and the right time.

 I don't know by what measure it's quite early or the right time.


It'd be the right time because though IDB usage is picking up, it's still
relatively low. Optimally this change would have been made a few months or
years ago, but now is better than later.

We've passed Last Call, there are 3 shipping implementations, all of
 which have considered their implementation complete enough to switch
 from prefixed implementations to unprefixed ones. They all implement
 the behavior that you are proposing to change.


We'd be ok with changing this, our unprefixedness notwithstanding. I think
the pain it would save developers down the road would make up for the
immediate pain it would cause to both vendors and developers. But that's
just a judgment call, I'm relying on intuition and obviously have no data
about what the future will hold.

To balance the concerns of open with complicated semantics and
backward-compatibility, I propose that we add two methods to IDBFactory:
openOrFail and openOrBlock.  Most introductory IDB tutorials and examples
would steer developers towards openOrFail.  The current open method would
be an alias for openOrBlock.  That open's documentation would be
[deprecated] alias for openOrBlock should give developers some pause
about using it just because it has the simplest name.

At least the Amazon cloud reader uses IndexedDB. I've started
 receiving enough questions about IDB that I would imagine that there
 are more websites deployed which uses it.

 / Jonas