Re: [webcomponents]: Allowing text children of ShadowRoot is a bad time

2013-10-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
 Maybe it's time to reconsider if ShadowRoot should be an element rather than
 a DocumentFragment again?

Either that or let it have its own node type if it's going to be
incompatible with DocumentFragment in terms of behavior. Alternatively
we could add more hidden state such as host which we added for
template, but that's not exactly great.


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[Bug 23422] Adding a method to deliver editing-related events to a DOM element

2013-10-10 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23422

Takayoshi Kochi ko...@google.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #6 from Takayoshi Kochi ko...@google.com ---
Added enable/disableEditingEvents() at
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ime-api/rev/10a3d6ec9336

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Re: [streams-api] Seeking status and plans

2013-10-10 Thread Aymeric Vitte
I think the plan should be more here now: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0049.html


Regards

Aymeric

Le 02/10/2013 18:32, Arthur Barstow a écrit :

Hi Feras,

If any of the data for the Streams API spec in [PubStatus] is not 
accurate, please provide corrections.


Also, please see the following thread and let us know your plan for 
this spec 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JulSep/0599.html.


-Thanks, ArtB

[PubStatus] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus



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[Bug 23479] New: File Constructor and Blob Constructor should have same signature

2013-10-10 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23479

Bug ID: 23479
   Summary: File Constructor and Blob Constructor should have same
signature
   Product: WebAppsWG
   Version: unspecified
  Hardware: PC
OS: All
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: File API
  Assignee: a...@mozilla.com
  Reporter: a...@mozilla.com
QA Contact: public-webapps-bugzi...@w3.org
CC: public-webapps@w3.org

File and Blob constructors currently have different signatures.  Feedback in
off-list email was:

Shouldn't the File constructor have the same signature as the Blob
constructor, but also allow a 'name' parameter to be passed in the
dictionary. Possibly even throwing if no name is provided.

Having the Blob constructor and the File constructor be so different
when they are really doing the same thing seems surprising. And
forcing authors to create a temporary Blob just so that they can
create a File seems wasteful.

Please consider this implementation feedback.

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Re: [streams-api] Seeking status and plans

2013-10-10 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 10/10/13 6:26 AM, ext Aymeric Vitte wrote:
I think the plan should be more here now: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0049.html


There are indeed at least two specs here:

[1] Feras' https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/streams-api/raw-file/tip/Overview.htm

[2] Takeshi's 
http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/tyoshino/stream/blob/master/streams.html


Among the Qs I have here are ...

* What is the implementation status of these specs?

* Would it make sense or be useful to merge or layer the specs, or 
should we only work on one of these specs?


* Who favors WebApps stopping work on [1] and starting work on [2]?

* Would anyone object to WebApps stopped working on [1]? If yes, are you 
willing to help lead the effort to move Feras' spec forward?


* Takeshi - I noticed you are not a member of WebApps. Are you willing 
to work on [2] within the context of WebApps?


-Thanks, AB




Regards

Aymeric

Le 02/10/2013 18:32, Arthur Barstow a écrit :

Hi Feras,

If any of the data for the Streams API spec in [PubStatus] is not 
accurate, please provide corrections.


Also, please see the following thread and let us know your plan for 
this spec 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JulSep/0599.html.


-Thanks, ArtB

[PubStatus] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus








RE: [streams-api] Seeking status and plans

2013-10-10 Thread Feras Moussa
Apologies for the delay, I had broken one of my mail rules and didn't see this 
initially.

Asymeric is correct - there have been a few threads and revisions. A more 
up-to-date version is the one Asymeric linked - 
http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/tyoshino/stream/blob/master/streams.html
The above version incorporates both promises and streams and is a more refined 
version of Streams. 

From other threads on Stream, it became apparent that there were a few pieces 
of the current Streams API ED that were designed around older paradigms and 
needed refining to be better aligned with current APIs.  I think it does not 
make sense to have two different specs, and instead have a combined one that 
we move forward. 

I can work with Takeshi on getting his version incorporated into the Streams 
ED, which we can then move forward with.

Thanks,
Feras


 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:32:20 -0400
 From: art.bars...@nokia.com
 To: vitteayme...@gmail.com; feras.mou...@hotmail.com; tyosh...@google.com
 CC: public-webapps@w3.org
 Subject: Re: [streams-api] Seeking status and plans
 
 On 10/10/13 6:26 AM, ext Aymeric Vitte wrote:
 I think the plan should be more here now: 
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0049.html
 
 There are indeed at least two specs here:
 
 [1] Feras' https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/streams-api/raw-file/tip/Overview.htm
 
 [2] Takeshi's 
 http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/tyoshino/stream/blob/master/streams.html
 
 Among the Qs I have here are ...
 
 * What is the implementation status of these specs?
 
 * Would it make sense or be useful to merge or layer the specs, or 
 should we only work on one of these specs?
 
 * Who favors WebApps stopping work on [1] and starting work on [2]?
 
 * Would anyone object to WebApps stopped working on [1]? If yes, are you 
 willing to help lead the effort to move Feras' spec forward?
 
 * Takeshi - I noticed you are not a member of WebApps. Are you willing 
 to work on [2] within the context of WebApps?
 
 -Thanks, AB
 
 

 Regards

 Aymeric

 Le 02/10/2013 18:32, Arthur Barstow a écrit :
 Hi Feras,

 If any of the data for the Streams API spec in [PubStatus] is not 
 accurate, please provide corrections.

 Also, please see the following thread and let us know your plan for 
 this spec 
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JulSep/0599.html.

 -Thanks, ArtB

 [PubStatus] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus


 
 


Problem in the Entry interface description (filesystem)

2013-10-10 Thread alexis dufrenoy
Hello,

In the description of the Entry interface located here:

http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#the-entry-interface

I noticed the following sentence:

An abstract interface representing entries in a file system, each of which
may be a Filehttp://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#dfn-file
 or 
DirectoryEntryhttp://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#idl-def-DirectoryEntry.,
with a link leading to the File interface. Obviously, the File interface is
not a descendant of the Entry interface, but FileEntry is, as can been
easily checked on both descriptions:

http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#dfn-file
http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#the-fileentry-interface

File is a Blob.

I hope it helps, but I'm sure I'm not the first to notice.

Regards,


Alexis Dufrenoy


Re: Problem in the Entry interface description (filesystem)

2013-10-10 Thread Arun Ranganathan
Greetings Alexis,

The specification actively edited now is:

http://w3c.github.io/filesystem-api/Overview.html

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On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:00 AM, alexis dufrenoy wrote:

 Hello,
 
 In the description of the Entry interface located here:
 
 http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#the-entry-interface
 
 I noticed the following sentence:
 
 An abstract interface representing entries in a file system, each of which 
 may be a File or DirectoryEntry., with a link leading to the File interface. 
 Obviously, the File interface is not a descendant of the Entry interface, but 
 FileEntry is, as can been easily checked on both descriptions:
 
 http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#dfn-file
 http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/pub/FileSystem/#the-fileentry-interface
 
 File is a Blob.
 
 I hope it helps, but I'm sure I'm not the first to notice.
 
 Regards,
 
 
 Alexis Dufrenoy



Re: [gamepad] Seeking status and plans

2013-10-10 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 10/2/2013 12:31 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote:
 Hi Ted, Scott,

 If any of the data for the Gamepad spec in [PubStatus] is not
 accurate, please provide corrections.

 Also, if you have any new information re your plans for the spec -
 last published 29-May-2012 - or the spec's status with respect to
 being feature complete, implementation status, etc., please let us know.

 -Thanks, ArtB

 [PubStatus] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus
Hi Art,

Thanks for the nudge! My work on the spec (and the Firefox
implementation) fell by the wayside for many months, but I found some
time to work on my implementation recently. We (Mozilla) are shipping a
very-close-to-spec implementation in Nightly builds, and it's available
behind a preference in our current release (Firefox 24).

I'd actually like to ship our implementation in release soon, I just
have a few minor implementation bugs (with significant impact) to fix as
well as one possible breaking spec change[1]. With those in order I'd be
pretty happy to ship. We'd be shipping unprefixed, as is our new policy.

It's my understanding that Google has been shipping a prefixed
implementation that's also pretty close to the spec for some time now,
but that Scott suffers from the same Gamepad is not really my full-time
job problem that I do. He'd be more equipped to talk about this than I
am, certainly.

In terms of feature-completeness I think the spec is basically done.
Aside from that one breaking change I'd like to make I don't think
there's anything else we want to address right now that couldn't be done
in a future release of the spec. We've wanted to keep the scope small
from the beginning and I think we did okay. It definitely needs some
more work (mostly polishing of the text, fixing the existing bugs), but
we could certainly get out a new WD with the most recent text.

-Ted

1. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21388




Re: [webcomponents]: Allowing text children of ShadowRoot is a bad time

2013-10-10 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
  Maybe it's time to reconsider if ShadowRoot should be an element rather
 than
  a DocumentFragment again?


Actually, that's the first thing I said to Elliott when I saw his mail.
Then he turned to me and said: remember all the serialization crap we
sifted through to finally reach the conclusion that ShadowRoot as element
is a bad idea?

At which it all paged in (
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JanMar/0356.html),
and I convulsed on the floor from the standards-discussion equivalent of
the brain freeze.



 Either that or let it have its own node type if it's going to be
 incompatible with DocumentFragment in terms of behavior. Alternatively
 we could add more hidden state such as host which we added for
 template, but that's not exactly great.


There's something to that. ShadowRoot is more like Document than a
DocumentFragment.

:DG