Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 15:53 did gyre and gimble:
>> 1 http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/02/this-is-the-route-to-hell/

> Thanks Colin, I'll definitely try and contribute ideas, at the least.
> May I assume this ML is better for it than your blog? =)

General praise can go on my blog, criticism can come here :D

But more seriously, yeah, this thread is as good as any.

Col

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-12-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:10 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 10:57 did gyre and gimble:
> > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:20 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> >> 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 07:48 did gyre and gimble:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Now that 0.9.22 is finally out, I'm wondering what happened to what
> >>> Colin mentioned some time back about 'device preferences'. As I
> >>> understood at the time, assuming 3 possible sound devices (which may or
> >>> may not be plugged in):-
> >>> 1. New streams would be automatically sent to the highest priority
> >>> device on starting
> >>> 2. Streams which have been manually moved would stay where they've been
> >>> moved to.
> >>> 3. When another device which has a higher priority is plugged in, all
> >>> streams (except for those in 2.) are moved to it.
> >>>
> >>> This scheme was mentioned in preference to a generic "move all sound to
> >>> latest plugged-in-device" scheme, I believe.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any plans in this direction?
> >>
> >> Not done much on it TBH. Was wanting to discuss things with Lennart
> >> further as he never quite acked the approach (not the finer details
> >> anyway) and there are still some caveats to the approach (like dealing
> >> with apps that produce multiple streams where you want to control them
> >> independently - although I think that can and should be mitigated in an
> >> app specific way).
> >>
> >> I may just crack on an do it over the winter seeing as it's getting
> >> really cold now and worry about the finer details later.
> > 
> > Thanks for the quick response Colin. Would user-input as to the design
> > of this behaviour be helpful, or just a hindrance?
> 
> Well I've gathered quite a lot of feedback already, but please feel free
> to critique more! I think the comments on the blog article[1] and a
> thread on this list which I've long since lost of my gmane cache were
> the best references... i'll try and dig out the archive link to that
> thread when I have a sec.
> 
> Col
> 
> 
> 1 http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/02/this-is-the-route-to-hell/
> 
> 
Thanks Colin, I'll definitely try and contribute ideas, at the least.
May I assume this ML is better for it than your blog? =)

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 10:57 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:20 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 07:48 did gyre and gimble:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Now that 0.9.22 is finally out, I'm wondering what happened to what
>>> Colin mentioned some time back about 'device preferences'. As I
>>> understood at the time, assuming 3 possible sound devices (which may or
>>> may not be plugged in):-
>>> 1. New streams would be automatically sent to the highest priority
>>> device on starting
>>> 2. Streams which have been manually moved would stay where they've been
>>> moved to.
>>> 3. When another device which has a higher priority is plugged in, all
>>> streams (except for those in 2.) are moved to it.
>>>
>>> This scheme was mentioned in preference to a generic "move all sound to
>>> latest plugged-in-device" scheme, I believe.
>>>
>>> Are there any plans in this direction?
>>
>> Not done much on it TBH. Was wanting to discuss things with Lennart
>> further as he never quite acked the approach (not the finer details
>> anyway) and there are still some caveats to the approach (like dealing
>> with apps that produce multiple streams where you want to control them
>> independently - although I think that can and should be mitigated in an
>> app specific way).
>>
>> I may just crack on an do it over the winter seeing as it's getting
>> really cold now and worry about the finer details later.
> 
> Thanks for the quick response Colin. Would user-input as to the design
> of this behaviour be helpful, or just a hindrance?

Well I've gathered quite a lot of feedback already, but please feel free
to critique more! I think the comments on the blog article[1] and a
thread on this list which I've long since lost of my gmane cache were
the best references... i'll try and dig out the archive link to that
thread when I have a sec.

Col


1 http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/02/this-is-the-route-to-hell/


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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-12-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:20 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 07:48 did gyre and gimble:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Now that 0.9.22 is finally out, I'm wondering what happened to what
> > Colin mentioned some time back about 'device preferences'. As I
> > understood at the time, assuming 3 possible sound devices (which may or
> > may not be plugged in):-
> > 1. New streams would be automatically sent to the highest priority
> > device on starting
> > 2. Streams which have been manually moved would stay where they've been
> > moved to.
> > 3. When another device which has a higher priority is plugged in, all
> > streams (except for those in 2.) are moved to it.
> > 
> > This scheme was mentioned in preference to a generic "move all sound to
> > latest plugged-in-device" scheme, I believe.
> > 
> > Are there any plans in this direction?
> 
> Not done much on it TBH. Was wanting to discuss things with Lennart
> further as he never quite acked the approach (not the finer details
> anyway) and there are still some caveats to the approach (like dealing
> with apps that produce multiple streams where you want to control them
> independently - although I think that can and should be mitigated in an
> app specific way).
> 
> I may just crack on an do it over the winter seeing as it's getting
> really cold now and worry about the finer details later.

Thanks for the quick response Colin. Would user-input as to the design
of this behaviour be helpful, or just a hindrance?

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 01/12/10 07:48 did gyre and gimble:
> Hi all,
> 
> Now that 0.9.22 is finally out, I'm wondering what happened to what
> Colin mentioned some time back about 'device preferences'. As I
> understood at the time, assuming 3 possible sound devices (which may or
> may not be plugged in):-
> 1. New streams would be automatically sent to the highest priority
> device on starting
> 2. Streams which have been manually moved would stay where they've been
> moved to.
> 3. When another device which has a higher priority is plugged in, all
> streams (except for those in 2.) are moved to it.
> 
> This scheme was mentioned in preference to a generic "move all sound to
> latest plugged-in-device" scheme, I believe.
> 
> Are there any plans in this direction?

Not done much on it TBH. Was wanting to discuss things with Lennart
further as he never quite acked the approach (not the finer details
anyway) and there are still some caveats to the approach (like dealing
with apps that produce multiple streams where you want to control them
independently - although I think that can and should be mitigated in an
app specific way).

I may just crack on an do it over the winter seeing as it's getting
really cold now and worry about the finer details later.

Col


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  Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/]
Open Source:
  Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/]
  PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/]
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[pulseaudio-discuss] Progress of 'dynamic default sink' or 'device preference list'?

2010-11-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Hi all,

Now that 0.9.22 is finally out, I'm wondering what happened to what
Colin mentioned some time back about 'device preferences'. As I
understood at the time, assuming 3 possible sound devices (which may or
may not be plugged in):-
1. New streams would be automatically sent to the highest priority
device on starting
2. Streams which have been manually moved would stay where they've been
moved to.
3. When another device which has a higher priority is plugged in, all
streams (except for those in 2.) are moved to it.

This scheme was mentioned in preference to a generic "move all sound to
latest plugged-in-device" scheme, I believe.

Are there any plans in this direction?

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