Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
- Original Message From: Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Mon, 7 June, 2010 0:04:49 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 20:39 +, Piscium wrote: - Original Message From: Ng Oon-Ee ymailto=mailto:ngoo...@gmail.com; href=mailto:ngoo...@gmail.com;ngoo...@gmail.com To: ymailto=mailto:pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de; href=mailto:pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de;pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Sun, 6 June, 2010 21:30:31 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 18:03 +, Piscium wrote: I am running Fedora 13, though my question applies to other versions and other Gnome distros. On the Gnome panel there is by default (that is, after installation) a speaker icon, and if I right click on it I can get to a dialogue box titled Sound Preferences. There is also PulseAudio Volume Control which is available as a separate package not installed by default. The settings available in Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control are quite similar : selection of input and output devices, volume and so on. My questions are these: What is the difference between these two applications? Considering that I already get by default the Gnome Panel Sound Preferences do I need the PulseAudio Volume Control at all? I know this is a very basic question but please pardon my ignorance! Thanks. The Gnome Sound Prefences UI is a simplified version of pavucontrol (the Pulseaudio Volume Control package you're talking about). Primarily it lacks a good way of moving apps to other outputs. It does provide you with easy access to Gnome-specific sounds though (the 'sound theme' stuff). Thanks Ng. This begs the question, do the two tools write to the same configuration files or different ones? Because if it is to the same configuration file they could conflict, no? That is, one tool could overwrite the changes made by the other? First off, please don't top-post, and please fix the threading with your mail-client (looks like you're using a webmail). Fixed for you this time. --- This is the first time ever anyone asks me to post top, bottom or otherwise. No problem. I just wonder if this is a forum rule, and if so, if there are more like this as I would rather not unwittingly infringe them. For this email I enabled a Yahoo option When replying forwarding: Quote the text of the original message. The result is not pretty, as you can see above. The lines were broken and the '' inserted in the wrong places, This looks like a Yahoo bug. If I had not enabled that option then it would be difficult to distinguish an answer from the previous post (no indentation). So it appears that Yahoo is not suitable for this forum. Perhaps I will consider opening a gmail account or alternatively use a client with the Yahoo account - which would mean that emails would be downloaded to my computer. Which is all quite interesting. We hear so much about cloud computing where most people only have thin clients and all the data resides in the cloud, and Yahoo Mail, one of the most prominent cloud services falls short! Needless to say I do not believe this cloud hype. --- On-topic - yes they control the same thing, you can think of them as two steering wheels to the same car. You wouldn't want tool A to mute your volume, then the volume to come unmuted when tool B opens. More to the point, pulseaudio is an audio server, and all these control tools are just clients manipulating some parameters. -- Thanks, that was a very clear answer. I have now uninstalled pavucontrol. -- ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list href=mailto:pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de;pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de href=https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss; target=_blank https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
'Twas brillig, and Piscium at 07/06/10 10:14 did gyre and gimble: This is the first time ever anyone asks me to post top, bottom or otherwise. No problem. I just wonder if this is a forum rule, and if so, if there are more like this as I would rather not unwittingly infringe them. Most mailing lists for open source projects tend to follow the same general rules. Some lists are more strict than others (to the extent that people will simply not answer any questions you ask until it's posted correct!). We're not super strict here but we do like to give friendly reminders/initial guidance. As many of the developer are subscribed to 40+ mailing lists, reading the messages and separating out what you are interested in, verses what is irrelevent to you is often tricky. This is why a uniform style and presentation is so highly desirable. If everything is formatted in (largely) the same way, it's much quicker to scan over various messages in various different lists. This is also a contributing factor as to why mailing lists are preferred over web-based forums - it's much quicker to check a mail inbox (or NNTP feed from the likes of GMane.org) than visit several separate websites. Generally speaking, you can't go wrong on open source/development mailing lists if you: 1. Use plain text: html and personal styling breaks the default look and feel and slows down reading for regulars. 2. Do not top post, it's better to strip out a small, relevant section of the mail to which you are replying and address that point specifically. If you need to address several points, do so with appropriate quoting and trimming of quoted text. This is how email started and it was only when business folks got involved with crappy email clients that top posting became the norm. It's evil and makes reading an email very tricky in a discussion/threaded environment. HTH explain these things (and keep in mind that there are always variations on this!) Take care Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
- Original Message From: Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Mon, 7 June, 2010 12:20:44 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control As many of the developer are subscribed to 40+ mailing lists, reading the messages and separating out what you are interested in, verses what is irrelevent to you is often tricky. -- Thanks for the explanation. I am currently subscribed to 8 lists on this email account, much less than the 40+ you mention. Yet I am a bit weary of setting up an email client and downloading to my PC all these emails, as often I only read the headers. I am very happy with Yahoo with respect to reading emails, and I have set up rules so that emails are routed on arrival to different folders according to the list they came from. The problem is that Yahoo, as seen, is not suitable for bottom posting because it messes up indenting. Moreover there is no way to specify that you want a line break at 72 characters, for example. I have an account at Hotmail and it is much worse than Yahoo with respect to plain text emails. So my question is if there is a good email website for this purpose. Is gmail any good? ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 13:18 +, Piscium wrote: - Original Message From: Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Mon, 7 June, 2010 12:20:44 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control As many of the developer are subscribed to 40+ mailing lists, reading the messages and separating out what you are interested in, verses what is irrelevent to you is often tricky. -- Thanks for the explanation. I am currently subscribed to 8 lists on this email account, much less than the 40+ you mention. Yet I am a bit weary of setting up an email client and downloading to my PC all these emails, as often I only read the headers. I am very happy with Yahoo with respect to reading emails, and I have set up rules so that emails are routed on arrival to different folders according to the list they came from. The problem is that Yahoo, as seen, is not suitable for bottom posting because it messes up indenting. Moreover there is no way to specify that you want a line break at 72 characters, for example. I have an account at Hotmail and it is much worse than Yahoo with respect to plain text emails. So my question is if there is a good email website for this purpose. Is gmail any good? Gmail is pretty good in the sense that it lets you do text-only by default. However the cursor defaults to the top of the email, which is okay if you're already in the habit of bottom-posting. The best part of gmail for ML subscription is the threaded view which is far and away the best in ANY offline/web-based client. Thunderbird 3's comes close, but no cigar just yet. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com wrote: Gmail is pretty good in the sense that it lets you do text-only by default. However the cursor defaults to the top of the email, which is okay if you're already in the habit of bottom-posting. The best part of gmail for ML subscription is the threaded view which is far and away the best in ANY offline/web-based client. Thunderbird 3's comes close, but no cigar just yet. +1 for Gmail. I couldn't handle the barrage of emails if it wasn't for its threading. If you use Firefox you may have an option for bottom posting. I remember having a Gmail add-in that would let you do this. I'm not sure if it's compatible with current Firefox as I'm on Chrome now but it may be worth looking at. Richard ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com wrote: Gmail is pretty good in the sense that it lets you do text-only by default. However the cursor defaults to the top of the email, which is okay if you're already in the habit of bottom-posting. The best part of gmail for ML subscription is the threaded view which is far and away the best in ANY offline/web-based client. Thunderbird 3's comes close, but no cigar just yet. +1 for Gmail. I couldn't handle the barrage of emails if it wasn't for its threading. If you use Firefox you may have an option for bottom posting. I remember having a Gmail add-in that would let you do this. I'm not sure if it's compatible with current Firefox as I'm on Chrome now but it may be worth looking at. Richard Thanks, Ng and Richard. I have now created a Gmail account, and subscribed to this list with the new account. I did a few tests and Gmail does properly the two things where Yahoo fails, namely, properly indenting with '' and breaking the line at 72 characters. I was looking for the relevant settings and could not find them. Nevertheless the default behaviour seems fine so that is OK. P. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Monday 07 June 2010, Piscium wrote: - Original Message From: Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Mon, 7 June, 2010 12:20:44 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control As many of the developer are subscribed to 40+ mailing lists, reading the messages and separating out what you are interested in, verses what is irrelevent to you is often tricky. -- Thanks for the explanation. I am currently subscribed to 8 lists on this email account, much less than the 40+ you mention. Yet I am a bit weary of setting up an email client and downloading to my PC all these emails, as often I only read the headers. I am very happy with Yahoo with respect to reading emails, and I have set up rules so that emails are routed on arrival to different folders according to the list they came from. The problem is that Yahoo, as seen, is not suitable for bottom posting because it messes up indenting. Moreover there is no way to specify that you want a line break at 72 characters, for example. I have an account at Hotmail and it is much worse than Yahoo with respect to plain text emails. So my question is if there is a good email website for this purpose. Is gmail any good? I use gmail, but not as a webmail service, I pop it with fetchmail, which hands it off to procmail, procmail runs it through Spamassassin, puts the spam in /dev/null and the survivors in /var/spool/mail/$user. Kmail gets it from there and sorts to the mailiing list folders, about 39 ATM. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) purpitation, n.: To take something off the grocery shelf, decide you don't want it, and then put it in another section. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 11:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 07 June 2010, Piscium wrote: - Original Message From: Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Mon, 7 June, 2010 12:20:44 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control As many of the developer are subscribed to 40+ mailing lists, reading the messages and separating out what you are interested in, verses what is irrelevent to you is often tricky. -- Thanks for the explanation. I am currently subscribed to 8 lists on this email account, much less than the 40+ you mention. Yet I am a bit weary of setting up an email client and downloading to my PC all these emails, as often I only read the headers. I am very happy with Yahoo with respect to reading emails, and I have set up rules so that emails are routed on arrival to different folders according to the list they came from. The problem is that Yahoo, as seen, is not suitable for bottom posting because it messes up indenting. Moreover there is no way to specify that you want a line break at 72 characters, for example. I have an account at Hotmail and it is much worse than Yahoo with respect to plain text emails. So my question is if there is a good email website for this purpose. Is gmail any good? I use gmail, but not as a webmail service, I pop it with fetchmail, which hands it off to procmail, procmail runs it through Spamassassin, puts the spam in /dev/null and the survivors in /var/spool/mail/$user. Kmail gets it from there and sorts to the mailiing list folders, about 39 ATM. I like gmail's own filters for prior sorting (I then grab through IMAP, since POP can only grab from the inbox). Just another option to consider. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 18:03 +, Piscium wrote: I am running Fedora 13, though my question applies to other versions and other Gnome distros. On the Gnome panel there is by default (that is, after installation) a speaker icon, and if I right click on it I can get to a dialogue box titled Sound Preferences. There is also PulseAudio Volume Control which is available as a separate package not installed by default. The settings available in Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control are quite similar : selection of input and output devices, volume and so on. My questions are these: What is the difference between these two applications? Considering that I already get by default the Gnome Panel Sound Preferences do I need the PulseAudio Volume Control at all? I know this is a very basic question but please pardon my ignorance! Thanks. The Gnome Sound Prefences UI is a simplified version of pavucontrol (the Pulseaudio Volume Control package you're talking about). Primarily it lacks a good way of moving apps to other outputs. It does provide you with easy access to Gnome-specific sounds though (the 'sound theme' stuff). ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
Thanks Ng. This begs the question, do the two tools write to the same configuration files or different ones? Because if it is to the same configuration file they could conflict, no? That is, one tool could overwrite the changes made by the other? - Original Message From: Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Sun, 6 June, 2010 21:30:31 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 18:03 +, Piscium wrote: I am running Fedora 13, though my question applies to other versions and other Gnome distros. On the Gnome panel there is by default (that is, after installation) a speaker icon, and if I right click on it I can get to a dialogue box titled Sound Preferences. There is also PulseAudio Volume Control which is available as a separate package not installed by default. The settings available in Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control are quite similar : selection of input and output devices, volume and so on. My questions are these: What is the difference between these two applications? Considering that I already get by default the Gnome Panel Sound Preferences do I need the PulseAudio Volume Control at all? I know this is a very basic question but please pardon my ignorance! Thanks. The Gnome Sound Prefences UI is a simplified version of pavucontrol (the Pulseaudio Volume Control package you're talking about). Primarily it lacks a good way of moving apps to other outputs. It does provide you with easy access to Gnome-specific sounds though (the 'sound theme' stuff). ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 20:39 +, Piscium wrote: - Original Message From: Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Sent: Sun, 6 June, 2010 21:30:31 Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] difference between Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 18:03 +, Piscium wrote: I am running Fedora 13, though my question applies to other versions and other Gnome distros. On the Gnome panel there is by default (that is, after installation) a speaker icon, and if I right click on it I can get to a dialogue box titled Sound Preferences. There is also PulseAudio Volume Control which is available as a separate package not installed by default. The settings available in Gnome Sound Preferences and PulseAudio Volume Control are quite similar : selection of input and output devices, volume and so on. My questions are these: What is the difference between these two applications? Considering that I already get by default the Gnome Panel Sound Preferences do I need the PulseAudio Volume Control at all? I know this is a very basic question but please pardon my ignorance! Thanks. The Gnome Sound Prefences UI is a simplified version of pavucontrol (the Pulseaudio Volume Control package you're talking about). Primarily it lacks a good way of moving apps to other outputs. It does provide you with easy access to Gnome-specific sounds though (the 'sound theme' stuff). Thanks Ng. This begs the question, do the two tools write to the same configuration files or different ones? Because if it is to the same configuration file they could conflict, no? That is, one tool could overwrite the changes made by the other? First off, please don't top-post, and please fix the threading with your mail-client (looks like you're using a webmail). Fixed for you this time. On-topic - yes they control the same thing, you can think of them as two steering wheels to the same car. You wouldn't want tool A to mute your volume, then the volume to come unmuted when tool B opens. More to the point, pulseaudio is an audio server, and all these control tools are just clients manipulating some parameters. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
