Re: [Puppet Users] puppetlabs/firewall and fail2ban

2013-10-29 Thread Donald Hoffman

On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Daniele Sluijters daniele.sluijt...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hello,
 
 A while back I wanted to switch our home-brewed iptables module to the 
 puppetlabs/firewall module but I couldn't figure out
 how to tell puppetlabs/firewall to leave the fail2ban chains alone.
 
 I was curious if someone had solved the issue and had some examples I can 
 work from?
 
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I ran in to this issue also.  Never found a scaleable/supportable solution, so 
switched to DenyHosts instead just to get the deployment going.   I used the 
puppetlabs-denyhosts module.Depending on your application an app-level 
filter vs a firewall-level filter may be adequate.  The latter is possibly more 
scalable if you are getting massive attacks on your SSH port for example.   But 
if they get so massive that DenyHosts is a significant resource drain you may 
need to switch to an upstream DDoS-blocking solution anyway, so I decided the 
app-level filter was sufficient.

Don


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Re: [Puppet Users] puppetlabs/firewall and fail2ban

2013-10-29 Thread Donald Hoffman
On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Daniele Sluijters daniele.sluijt...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 DenyHosts is not an option for me since I can't predict which hosts will be 
 connecting from the outside. Fail2ban solves that issue by looking for odd 
 behaviour instead of asking me to whitelist.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion though,
 
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 Daniele Sluijters

Hmm.  Don’t quite follow.   DenyHost works pretty much the same as fail2ban on 
the detection side.  I.e. “looking for odd behavior.  See this entry from 
their FAQ:  http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#1_5

The DenyHost daemon monitors /var/log/secure for various signs of unsuccessful 
attempts to connect (from anywhere).  Once a threshold is reached a rule for 
that IP address is inserted in to /etc/host.deny.   Pretty much has the same 
detection features as Fail2ban.

It is only on the filtering side where DenyHosts and Fail2ban really differ.  
Fail2ban sets up iptables firewall rules while DenyHosts adds entries to 
hosts.deny for filtering in the app (usually sshd) server daemon.

Don


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Re: [Puppet Users] puppetlabs/firewall and fail2ban

2013-10-29 Thread Donald Hoffman
On reading your message, I think you are perhaps confusing the static Linux 
/etc/host.deny mechanism with the DenyHosts project.  See 
http://denyhosts.sourceforg.net


Don

On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Donald Hoffman don.hoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Daniele Sluijters daniele.sluijt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 DenyHosts is not an option for me since I can't predict which hosts will be 
 connecting from the outside. Fail2ban solves that issue by looking for odd 
 behaviour instead of asking me to whitelist.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion though,
 
 -- 
 Daniele Sluijters
 
 Hmm.  Don’t quite follow.   DenyHost works pretty much the same as fail2ban 
 on the detection side.  I.e. “looking for odd behavior.  See this entry from 
 their FAQ:  http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#1_5
 
 The DenyHost daemon monitors /var/log/secure for various signs of 
 unsuccessful attempts to connect (from anywhere).  Once a threshold is 
 reached a rule for that IP address is inserted in to /etc/host.deny.   Pretty 
 much has the same detection features as Fail2ban.
 
 It is only on the filtering side where DenyHosts and Fail2ban really differ.  
 Fail2ban sets up iptables firewall rules while DenyHosts adds entries to 
 hosts.deny for filtering in the app (usually sshd) server daemon.
 
 Don
 
 

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