Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
I would love to have time for that :) but I will try to help converting the modules I made to use on my company to the forge standard. I wrote my first forge module last week, added documentation, everything on parameterized classes and easy to use and install. I appreciate any feedbacks so I can make that a standard to move all my other modules. https://forge.puppetlabs.com/fsalum/newrelic Regards, Felipe On Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:15:53 PM UTC-7, Christopher Wood wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:53:41AM -0700, Felipe Salum wrote: I would love to see puppet forge as we have the distribution repositories.. Modules audited, tested and maybe fixed (SNIP) Sounds like you just volunteered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/puppet-users/-/8mj-T8lQ6uUJ. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
[Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
Good Afternoon All, I'm just pondering - I think that my expectations of the forge are not 100% aligned, or I'm still rubbish with puppet! I imagine the forge to be used in the following scenario/way I'm in a situation where I need to provision package X in a particular way. I fire up my terminal: $ puppet module search packageX Searching https://forge.puppetlabs.com ... NAME DESCRIPTION AUTHOR KEYWORDS author-packageX Function Y@author packageX Great! Someone has already published a module for my package - So I install it $ puppet module install author-packageX I fire up my puppet dashboard, and I create a new class, and I add it to my test rig At this point my expectation is that I should get a basic vanilla install/configuration of that package and dependencies. For example, if the package is MySql, I'm expecting to have a working default install of MySql after my test rig checks in. My faith starts to shake when I'm looking at modules like wordpress. Picture the scene. Now, If I'm building a wordpress module, it's going to have a few dependencies, MySQL, and Apache etc - By chance, I already have some of my own modules that install MySQL and Apache, I'll just reuse those in my wordpress module. After two days I give up, and notice that there is a module on the forge for wordpress. Now I'm stuck, because I'm assuming that the author has done similar work to what I did - I'm going to spend quite some time making sure the forge modules play nice with my custom ones. Using the forge feels like installing packages from a repository, and one thing that I think we all expect, is that all the packages in a repository work together - Which is not the case with the forge, as anyone can publish anything at anytime. (I may be wrong, but this is how I'm reasoning through my paranoia!) This causes a mental stumbling block for me, because $ puppet module install packageX doesn't invoke the same sense of security as $ apt-get/yum update packageX even though they are both essentially doing the same thing - pulling in open source code from the outside world to configure my system. I'm hoping that my reasoning is flawed, and that a few of you are chuckling as you read this calling me a NooBie Donkey! Is the forge suppose to a place for people to post examples, and am I then expected to edit that code accordingly to fit my environment? If so, then what would be the motivation to push my changes back? Sorry if I sound incoherent here - I'm trying to determine how best to make use of the forge, otherwise I'll end up just reinventing the wheel and writing up manifests from scratch, which to me defeats the purpose. Discuss :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
Everyone had ever used the puppet forge know this. The forge today are collection of modules, with a different degree of quality. But this quality is not enforced by a external authority, there is not any review. Think about it : it is a forge. Like sf.net for some open source software, some project are good, other less. It is totally different from the repos that the distributions offer, that contain packages that had a quality control, formal review, mantainer, a bus tracking system and so on. My 2cent. Best regards 2012/10/14, Mister Guru misteritg...@gmail.com: Good Afternoon All, I'm just pondering - I think that my expectations of the forge are not 100% aligned, or I'm still rubbish with puppet! I imagine the forge to be used in the following scenario/way I'm in a situation where I need to provision package X in a particular way. I fire up my terminal: $ puppet module search packageX Searching https://forge.puppetlabs.com ... NAME DESCRIPTION AUTHOR KEYWORDS author-packageX Function Y@author packageX Great! Someone has already published a module for my package - So I install it $ puppet module install author-packageX I fire up my puppet dashboard, and I create a new class, and I add it to my test rig At this point my expectation is that I should get a basic vanilla install/configuration of that package and dependencies. For example, if the package is MySql, I'm expecting to have a working default install of MySql after my test rig checks in. My faith starts to shake when I'm looking at modules like wordpress. Picture the scene. Now, If I'm building a wordpress module, it's going to have a few dependencies, MySQL, and Apache etc - By chance, I already have some of my own modules that install MySQL and Apache, I'll just reuse those in my wordpress module. After two days I give up, and notice that there is a module on the forge for wordpress. Now I'm stuck, because I'm assuming that the author has done similar work to what I did - I'm going to spend quite some time making sure the forge modules play nice with my custom ones. Using the forge feels like installing packages from a repository, and one thing that I think we all expect, is that all the packages in a repository work together - Which is not the case with the forge, as anyone can publish anything at anytime. (I may be wrong, but this is how I'm reasoning through my paranoia!) This causes a mental stumbling block for me, because $ puppet module install packageX doesn't invoke the same sense of security as $ apt-get/yum update packageX even though they are both essentially doing the same thing - pulling in open source code from the outside world to configure my system. I'm hoping that my reasoning is flawed, and that a few of you are chuckling as you read this calling me a NooBie Donkey! Is the forge suppose to a place for people to post examples, and am I then expected to edit that code accordingly to fit my environment? If so, then what would be the motivation to push my changes back? Sorry if I sound incoherent here - I'm trying to determine how best to make use of the forge, otherwise I'll end up just reinventing the wheel and writing up manifests from scratch, which to me defeats the purpose. Discuss :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en. -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:53:41AM -0700, Felipe Salum wrote: I would love to see puppet forge as we have the distribution repositories.. Modules audited, tested and maybe fixed (SNIP) Sounds like you just volunteered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Felipe Salum fsa...@gmail.com wrote: I would love to see puppet forge as we have the distribution repositories.. Modules audited, tested and maybe fixed by PuppetLabs and then officially released on puppet forge under the puppetlabs account. Today, you're right. Forge is mainly a community repository for modules with little curation or identification between the good and the bad. We're eager to change this, having formed a dedicated team around Forge this past July. What you'll see from us in the next several months is making the contribution process natural and easy. We'll also be adding features to help you during the decision making process on whether a module is worth using or not. As we do these things, we'll be moving closer and closer to where we could go down the path of slicing the Forge into different distributions of modules that represent various levels of care and polish. The Forge has seen a dramatic increase in the last several months in both number of modules and quality modules. It certainly can be hard to find the good ones but we'll work on that. Check out the Recently Active list on the homepage for what's getting regular love and our module of the week blog posts. If you've got a particular problem that you're trying to solve, feel free to email me. I'll respond with a module that I know to be in good shape or make a note to chase one down. On features, please take a look at open feature requests, vote comment them up or add a brand new feature request for your needs. https://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/module-site/issues Feedback is always appreciated on the list or feel free to ping me individually via email or ryancoleman on IRC. I hope you bear with us as we improve the Forge. I'm really excited to work on making it better. I'll leave you with an awesome talk from CERN at PuppetConf about science, Puppet Forge. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ykb2j2ojYUlist=PLV86BgbREluVFB73Wwqp_tCbw5Z9TMLX1index=1feature=plpp_video -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Forge: Are my expectations misaligned?
On 10/14/2012 08:53 PM, Felipe Salum wrote: I would love to see puppet forge as we have the distribution repositories.. Modules audited, tested and maybe fixed by PuppetLabs and then officially released on puppet forge under the puppetlabs account. I see some scenarios that puppetlabs could consider: 1. puppetlabs is taking a lot of time to check pull requests on their forge modules and release new versions. I sent a pull request some days ago for one of their modules and I noticed there were other pull requests for the same module submitted a few months ago that weren't merged yet. 2. Users could create modules following the modules standard by creating documentation, parameterized modules, etc and then Puppetlabs could easily onboard those modules under their account and start supporting the module officially. I try to use only puppetlabs modules on puppet forge because I know they have great quality. Problem is that if I write module for administering for example Koji build system, it is very hard for someone to audit and fix my module - because that person should know everythin about Koji, how to install it, what are possible options, etc. So I really don' see a plausible way to that kind of work. Easier scenario would be to divide forge into stable, testing, unstable, and put modules into stable only if there are maintainers behind them, who fix issues on a regular basis. -- Jakov Sosic www.srce.unizg.hr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
