[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
2008/11/13 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2008, at 4:51 PM, joe wrote: That makes sense, though I would think if you have recurse = true and a subscribe/notify, then checksumming should be enabled by default in that scenario also. It may not be feasible depending on the internal workings of puppet, but that would seem to be the expected behavior. I guess I'm of two minds, but this doesn't really come up very often -- most people don't seem to want to do recursive checking without having a remote source. Anyone else have an opinion? I'd rather not checksum recursively without explicitly stating to do so. .r' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:53 AM, RijilV wrote: 2008/11/13 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2008, at 4:51 PM, joe wrote: That makes sense, though I would think if you have recurse = true and a subscribe/notify, then checksumming should be enabled by default in that scenario also. It may not be feasible depending on the internal workings of puppet, but that would seem to be the expected behavior. I guess I'm of two minds, but this doesn't really come up very often -- most people don't seem to want to do recursive checking without having a remote source. Anyone else have an opinion? I'd rather not checksum recursively without explicitly stating to do so. *whew* :) -- Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it. -- P. J. O'Rourke - Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
I can see myself being in the minority on this. I think it comes from my intense aversion toward data replication :) On Nov 13, 3:05 pm, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:53 AM, RijilV wrote: 2008/11/13 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2008, at 4:51 PM, joe wrote: That makes sense, though I would think if you have recurse = true and a subscribe/notify, then checksumming should be enabled by default in that scenario also. It may not be feasible depending on the internal workings of puppet, but that would seem to be the expected behavior. I guess I'm of two minds, but this doesn't really come up very often -- most people don't seem to want to do recursive checking without having a remote source. Anyone else have an opinion? I'd rather not checksum recursively without explicitly stating to do so. *whew* :) -- Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it. -- P. J. O'Rourke - Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
That makes sense, though I would think if you have recurse = true and a subscribe/notify, then checksumming should be enabled by default in that scenario also. It may not be feasible depending on the internal workings of puppet, but that would seem to be the expected behavior. On Nov 12, 7:20 pm, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 7, 2008, at 1:07 PM, joe wrote: I don't think it's a bug that puppet sees two reasons to bounce the service, I think it's a bug that it's only doing it when I change the checksum to mtime. The default is md5 (I think) and it would appear that when you define a file resource that is a directory with recurse = true, puppet should generate md5s on all the files in that dir on the first run, so it can keep track of them later, regardless of whether puppet is copying the files into that directory or not. It seems to only work if puppet is sourcing the files in the directory. It should work either way. There is no default for checksum. If you use file sources, then the source parameter makes sure checksums are checked, but otherwise, you need to add 'checksum = md5' or 'check = checksum' to your resources. If you add 'checksum = md5' you'll get the behaviour you want. -- It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in labratory rats. - Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
Sorry, I wasn't clear on the mechanism of why this works. Thanks for the correction. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Steven VanDevender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lathrop writes: When a file in the directory changes, it will change the mtime of the directory which will trigger an event on any resources which subscribe to the directory. I have used this method a number of times to great success. The mtime on the directory won't change unless some kind of manipulation of the directory itself occurs in the process of changing a file within the directory. This happens with a lot of editors that create temporary or backup files in the same directory as the file being edited, but isn't absolutely assured. For example: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 27 17:39 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 17 2007 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75576 Nov 7 11:54 access In particular this is actually what a directory in our Puppet subversion repository looks like; as no new files have been added or removed in the repository since October 27, subversion hasn't had to manipulate the directory itself, so the directory mtime hasn't changed even though many files have been updated frequently since. If Puppet's mtime tracking looks only at the mtime of the directory and not at the mtime of anything underneath it, you wouldn't be able to depend on that to track changes to files within the directory, unless you also happen to do something to the directory every time you change a file underneath it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
Though with recurse = true, puppet does look at the mtime of the individual files, per my output sample from previous email. My last question was really why won't it do default checksum (md5) on the files in the directory when I have recurse = true. It only looks at the files in the directory when I change the checksum type (in my case to mtime, not sure what other options would work). On Nov 7, 4:48 pm, Paul Lathrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I wasn't clear on the mechanism of why this works. Thanks for the correction. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Steven VanDevender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lathrop writes: When a file in the directory changes, it will change the mtime of the directory which will trigger an event on any resources which subscribe to the directory. I have used this method a number of times to great success. The mtime on the directory won't change unless some kind of manipulation of the directory itself occurs in the process of changing a file within the directory. This happens with a lot of editors that create temporary or backup files in the same directory as the file being edited, but isn't absolutely assured. For example: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 27 17:39 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 17 2007 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75576 Nov 7 11:54 access In particular this is actually what a directory in our Puppet subversion repository looks like; as no new files have been added or removed in the repository since October 27, subversion hasn't had to manipulate the directory itself, so the directory mtime hasn't changed even though many files have been updated frequently since. If Puppet's mtime tracking looks only at the mtime of the directory and not at the mtime of anything underneath it, you wouldn't be able to depend on that to track changes to files within the directory, unless you also happen to do something to the directory every time you change a file underneath it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
I'm having a similar issue that that wiki entry does not directly address. I'm trying to do a subscribe on a file definition that is a directory. I have ensure = directory and recurse = true. I do not use puppet to source the files (they are on nfs shared to all servers that use them). Puppet will not restart a service subscribed to this file definition. It does not seem to look at whether the files in the directory have changed. How do others make such a scenario work? Thanks On Nov 5, 1:55 pm, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:48:12 +0100 Peter Meier wrote: [...] http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#ho... my god, I did some search on the wiki, but did not find that link. many thanks! greets pete Arnau --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having a similar issue that that wiki entry does not directly address. I'm trying to do a subscribe on a file definition that is a directory. I have ensure = directory and recurse = true. I do not use puppet to source the files (they are on nfs shared to all servers that use them). Puppet will not restart a service subscribed to this file definition. It does not seem to look at whether the files in the directory have changed. How do others make such a scenario work? Thanks Is puppet actually managing the directory? Unless puppet manages the directory it can't know to handle a restart. Evan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
It's a defined file resource without a source parameter. Here is the
syntax:
file { /opt/management/dns/zones:
owner = root,
group = root,
mode = 644,
ensure = directory,
recurse = true }
Then there is a service resource that subscribes to that file:
service { named:
enable = true,
ensure = running,
require = File[/etc/named.conf],
require = File[/opt/dns/management/zones],
require = Package[bind],
subscribe = File[/etc/named.conf],
subscribe = File[/opt/management/dns/zones] }
But the service never restarts when files in that directory change. I
would think it's because I'm not sourcing those files, but I'm not
sure.
On Nov 6, 12:37 pm, Evan Hisey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm having a similar issue that that wiki entry does not directly
address.
I'm trying to do a subscribe on a file definition that is a directory.
I have ensure = directory and recurse = true.
I do not use puppet to source the files (they are on nfs shared to all
servers that use them).
Puppet will not restart a service subscribed to this file definition.
It does not seem to look at whether the files in the directory have
changed.
How do others make such a scenario work?
Thanks
Is puppet actually managing the directory? Unless puppet manages the
directory it can't know to handle a restart.
Evan
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[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
I just added the require after subscribe alone didn't work.
I thought that if I specified the directory with recurse = true, it
would monitor all the files in the directory as well.
Is there a way to have puppet monitor files it isn't sourcing?
On Nov 6, 3:41 pm, Aj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This notification will only fire if the managed parameters for the
directory are out of sync, e.g. Owner/group/modes/file type (link,
file).
Subscribe also implies require, FYI =)
On 7/11/2008, at 8:38 AM, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a defined file resource without a source parameter. Here is the
syntax:
file { /opt/management/dns/zones:
owner = root,
group = root,
mode = 644,
ensure = directory,
recurse = true }
Then there is a service resource that subscribes to that file:
service { named:
enable = true,
ensure = running,
require = File[/etc/named.conf],
require = File[/opt/dns/management/zones],
require = Package[bind],
subscribe = File[/etc/named.conf],
subscribe = File[/opt/management/dns/zones] }
But the service never restarts when files in that directory change. I
would think it's because I'm not sourcing those files, but I'm not
sure.
On Nov 6, 12:37 pm, Evan Hisey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm having a similar issue that that wiki entry does not directly
address.
I'm trying to do a subscribe on a file definition that is a
directory.
I have ensure = directory and recurse = true.
I do not use puppet to source the files (they are on nfs shared to
all
servers that use them).
Puppet will not restart a service subscribed to this file
definition.
It does not seem to look at whether the files in the directory have
changed.
How do others make such a scenario work?
Thanks
Is puppet actually managing the directory? Unless puppet manages the
directory it can't know to handle a restart.
Evan
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[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a way to have puppet monitor files it isn't sourcing?
There is no way for puppet to do anything with a file it doesn't know
about. That doesn't mean you have to define a source for the file, or even
specify any other attribute.
eg:
file { /tmp/foobar: }
.r'
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[Puppet Users] Re: wildcards in file type?
Hi
how may I do something like:
file { /usr/local/sbin/*:
ensure = file,
owner = root,
group = root,
mode = 700,
source =
puppet://gridinstall01.pic.es/files/usr/local/sbin/,
}
Cause it creates a wildcard:
#ls /usr/local/sbin/\*/
Do I have to manage file by file? Is there any possibility os copying
recursively?
no, just remove the wildcard from your file definition, as well the the
ensure = file. You want to manage the directory, if you want to
manage every file in this directory.
greets pete
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