[pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
Hello web team, I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
* anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles. p@rick -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- Patrick Ben Koetter patr...@python.org Python.org Postmaster Team ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote: Hello web team, I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign. In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem. Michael -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote: Hello web team, I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign. In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem. The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such specific problems - http://960.gs/ P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design review? Why not to make the process public? ;) -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter p...@python.org wrote: * anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles. Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the matters worse? -- anatoly t. p@rick -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- Patrick Ben Koetter patr...@python.org Python.org Postmaster Team ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On 20 Feb 2012, at 15:40, anatoly techtonik wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote: Hello web team, I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign. In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem. The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such specific problems - http://960.gs/ Site layout by css is *precisely* a design issue. P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design review? Why not to make the process public? ;) The PSF is a bunch of individuals, many of whom *are* subscribed to this list. The process will be public. That doesn't mean that all the minutiae will all be endlessly discussed, which is the (incorrect) definition of public that some people use. The call for tenders have not been worked out yet. Michael -- anatoly t. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello web team, We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org: In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the Release Schedule box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5. The user says this happens everywhere the Release Schedule box is used. Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem? All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 15:40, anatoly techtonik wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote: Hello web team, I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign. In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem. The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such specific problems - http://960.gs/ Site layout by css is *precisely* a design issue. We may argue about that a lot, but in this context the point is that visually you won't notice if grid is used or not, but it may eliminate the bug. For a contrast - design as a visual perception is not an art of writing css. P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design review? Why not to make the process public? ;) The PSF is a bunch of individuals, many of whom *are* subscribed to this list. The process will be public. That doesn't mean that all the minutiae will all be endlessly discussed, which is the (incorrect) definition of public that some people use. The call for tenders have not been worked out yet. Why PSF can't crowd-source the process? There are many designers out there, who can help. Is there a PEP, a FAQ or at least something on it? -- anatoly t. ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
* anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter p...@python.org wrote: * anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that? I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles. Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the matters worse? Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree. The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular browser, here Chrome. The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website. But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers. That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble. p@rick -- Patrick Ben Koetter patr...@python.org Python.org Postmaster Team ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
* anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree. The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular browser, here Chrome. The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website. But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers. That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble. Thanks. IMO http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/ should be added to python.org regardless of PSF redesign plans. I advise against it in the current website state. It will likely worsen everything and you'll end up 'fixing' issues that weren't there in the first. -- Patrick Ben Koetter patr...@python.org Python.org Postmaster Team ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
On 2/20/12 at 9:08 PM, p...@python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter) pronounced: The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website. There has been debate about reset.css vs. normalize.css. http://necolas.github.com/normalize.css/ I have used both. FWIW I now use normalize.css for new design work. Actually it's a mashup of normalize.css, modernizr, compass, blueprint, stacklayout, jquery, jqueryui, and probably a few things I'm forgetting. In any case, a discussion about which tool *is right for the job* is premature. But a discussion of various tools and when they may be appropriate to use is helpful. --steve -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Steve Piercy Web Site Builder Soquel, CA w...@stevepiercy.com http://www.StevePiercy.com/ ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
