Re: [pydotorg-www] New Honorary Associate Membership
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012, at 08:16 PM, Aahz wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012, Steve Holden wrote: Kurt Kaiser and I have just updated the psfmember.org site, and I am delighted to say that it is now ready for users to start registering! This could be more money for the PSF, but there are few links to the site at the moment. No, it is not ready. There is zero information on the home page, and I still think that requiring an address to register is broken (aside from the fact from my POV any system requiring both first and last name is broken). I see what you are saying. We were intending to add some informative text to the page on python.org which accesses the non-logged-in page on psfmember.org. But absent that, if you go directly to psfmember.org, it's indeed barren. I copied Steve's text from the logged-in page, less the button that initiates the signup process. Once the prospect logs in, it will see the same text, but with the button. Regarding collecting information, the personal data was only visible to the user and the administrator, though that's not obvious. There is really no pressing reason to collect Associate Member information (beyond email address), since the financial information is collected by the payment processor. I've reconfigured the system to only require first name and country, and modified the payment processing to key off the psfmember.org email instead of the paypal email. That way, the donation honor roll will only contain the data supplied during registration at psfmember.org. If it only supplies a first name, then that's what appears. Assuming it could make a financial transaction, of course. If the Associate Members want to add additional information to their profile, they can. You might try registering and check out the profile, it's pretty compete and allows the user quite a bit of control. -- KBK ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] New Honorary Associate Membership
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012, at 08:16 PM, Aahz wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012, Steve Holden wrote: Kurt Kaiser and I have just updated the psfmember.org site, and I am delighted to say that it is now ready for users to start registering! This could be more money for the PSF, but there are few links to the site at the moment. No, it is not ready. There is zero information on the home page, and I still think that requiring an address to register is broken (aside from the fact from my POV any system requiring both first and last name is broken). I see what you are saying. We were intending to add some informative text to the page on python.org which accesses the non-logged-in page on psfmember.org. But absent that, if you go directly to psfmember.org, it's indeed barren. I copied Steve's text from the logged-in page, less the button that initiates the signup process. Much better! Suggested changes: * becoming a member - becoming an associate member * PSF - Python Software Foundation (PSF) and link back to http://www.python.org/psf/ * Python should link to http://www.python.org/ * woud love - would love IOW, I think psfmember.org needs to be an URL people can hand out directly without confusing people. Once the prospect logs in, it will see the same text, but with the button. Now that I've logged in, I don't see any button. No cookies were attempted to be set during login, either. Is this some problem with Lynx? Side note: the site seems to be very slow. Regarding collecting information, the personal data was only visible to the user and the administrator, though that's not obvious. IMO, it's still a problem to hide public site information from people not logged in. We want as much as possible to be visible. The other issue with requiring information is that it slows down the process of creating a login. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] New Honorary Associate Membership
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012, Aahz wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: Once the prospect logs in, it will see the same text, but with the button. Now that I've logged in, I don't see any button. No cookies were attempted to be set during login, either. Is this some problem with Lynx? Okay, now that I finished the previous message, I see the signup e-mail. The site should tell the user to look for the e-mail. Logging in using the link gets HTTP 403. Still can't log in, even straight. Okay, now I tried with Firefox, there's definitely some JavaScript requirement that needs to be fixed. In the FF context, it's annoying that you have to click on the login link to see the login fields. SECURITY WARNING: I noticed after logging in through FF that my contact information is there (meaning information previously given to the PSF but *not* provided to psfmember.org). This is NOT appropriate, especially given that login is done through plain HTTP instead of HTTPS/SSL. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board-Public] League of Awesome page is updated
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Noah Kantrowitz wrote: http://www.python.org/psf/league/ has been updated with our latest sponsors. Hi Noah, thanks for the update. I was a bit surprised that the PSF now sports a new page linking firms who have donated hardware or services without the board being involved. While I don't think that anyone from the board would object to having such a page, I do think that the board has to approve such important changes to the PSF website. Looking at the website repository, Martin added the original infrastructure page on 2012-02-23. Perhaps Martin could shed some light on this ?! I also noticed that we now have two directories mentioning the infrastructure sponsors: http://www.python.org/psf/infrastructure/ http://www.python.org/psf/league/ and that the League entry in the left hand menu only shows up in the PSF top-level http://www.python.org/psf/ and not in the lower level entries, e.g. http://www.python.org/psf/about/ Steve Holden and I both gave Noah the nod for this. So blame us. ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board-Public] League of Awesome page is updated
Jesse Noller wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Noah Kantrowitz wrote: http://www.python.org/psf/league/ has been updated with our latest sponsors. Hi Noah, thanks for the update. I was a bit surprised that the PSF now sports a new page linking firms who have donated hardware or services without the board being involved. While I don't think that anyone from the board would object to having such a page, I do think that the board has to approve such important changes to the PSF website. Looking at the website repository, Martin added the original infrastructure page on 2012-02-23. Perhaps Martin could shed some light on this ?! I also noticed that we now have two directories mentioning the infrastructure sponsors: http://www.python.org/psf/infrastructure/ http://www.python.org/psf/league/ and that the League entry in the left hand menu only shows up in the PSF top-level http://www.python.org/psf/ and not in the lower level entries, e.g. http://www.python.org/psf/about/ Steve Holden and I both gave Noah the nod for this. So blame us. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not blaming anyone, just want to make it clear that some changes require board approval, since they affect how the PSF values (or is perceived to value) contributions and donations. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...http://www.egenix.com/ mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...http://python.egenix.com/ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board-Public] League of Awesome page is updated
On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:43 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Noah Kantrowitz wrote: http://www.python.org/psf/league/ has been updated with our latest sponsors. Hi Noah, thanks for the update. I was a bit surprised that the PSF now sports a new page linking firms who have donated hardware or services without the board being involved. The board was involved, both Jesse and Steve were made aware that I was adding new logos to the site and approved of the more whimsical name. Having such a page is standard procedure when signing up new sponsors, and I spent much of PyCon going out in search of more partners to improve infrastructure stuffs. While I don't think that anyone from the board would object to having such a page, I do think that the board has to approve such important changes to the PSF website. Looking at the website repository, Martin added the original infrastructure page on 2012-02-23. Perhaps Martin could shed some light on this ?! I also noticed that we now have two directories mentioning the infrastructure sponsors: http://www.python.org/psf/infrastructure/ Just an older version. I moved the source page, but the automated builder doesn't remove stuff automatically. http://www.python.org/psf/league/ and that the League entry in the left hand menu only shows up in the PSF top-level http://www.python.org/psf/ and not in the lower level entries, e.g. http://www.python.org/psf/about/ Also just a side-effect of the builder hooks not running a full rebuild. I tried deciphering the build system last night, but couldn't see the Right Way to do a rebuild safely. As individual pages are updated, it should be made visible. If someone wants to run a full site rebuild I would be grateful. --Noah signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
