Re: [pydotorg-www] Spamfilter

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

Alexander,

there are spam filters in place and we regularly tune and improve them. It's
an ongoing battle. Most of the time we win - very few times the spammers win.
By nature, because of their 1:n distribution, mailing lists are a preferred
target for spammers.

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* Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Alexander Walters
>  wrote:
> > Is there not a spamfilter on the list anymore?
> 
> 
> (Please don't quote the entire spam message!)
> 
> I'm not sure if there's absolutely _no_ filter, as there isn't very
> much spam coming through from there. Most notably, though, the "must
> be subscribed or it gets dropped in the mod-box" rule has been removed
> from the list. That makes it actually useful (no waiting around for
> mods), but the cost is the occasional spam email that gets through.
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Help with mailing lists?

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

Ned,

sorry for the reply in German. That was Ralf's personal business mail
responder.

Could you repeat your questions and I will see to anwer them?

Thanks

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* Ned Batchelder :
> 
> On 12/23/14 6:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >On 23.12.2014 11:56, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> >>Sorry if this is the wrong list to write to. You'll see why I'm here in 
> >>just a minute.
> >>
> >>I needed some help with some mail lists at mail.python.org: I need a 
> >>password reminder, but never
> >>got one, and I have some questions about creating a new list.
> >Did you request this via the Mailman interface ? Perhaps it
> >got eaten by a spam filter.
> >
> >Note that some MLs on python.org have the monthly reminders turned
> >off, so for those you need to request the reminder via the Mailman
> >list interface.
> Yes, I requested it with the button on the page.  Nothing in the
> gmail spam filter.
> >
> >>The page at http://mail.python.org says, "If you are having trouble using 
> >>the lists, please contact
> >>mail...@python.org <mailto:mail...@python.org>," so I sent my questions 
> >>there.
> >>
> >>I got an automated response email that said that no one will answer, and to 
> >>write to
> >>postmas...@python.org.  I forwarded my questions there.
> >>
> >>I got an automated response email in German that said to send requests to 
> >>postmas...@charite.de. So
> >>I forwarded my questions there.
> >>
> >>I got an automated response email (in German and English!) that said, 
> >>"Thank you for your email.
> >>We'll work on email issues right away, all other issues will be ignored."  
> >>I don't know if my
> >>questions are considered email issues or not, so I don't know how long to 
> >>wait before trying
> >>something else.
> >>
> >>What should I do now?  Any ideas who I can contact? Things seem broken on a 
> >>number of levels.
> >postmas...@python.org should be able to help you with ML issues.
> As I mentioned above, I sent an email to postmas...@python.org, and
> got a German reply that led me down a fruitless path.
> >
> >That said, it's holiday season now, so don't you can't really expect
> >the usual prompt reaction times of our postmasters :-)
> >
> :-(  The automated responses that are the email equivalent of
> >/dev/null are very prompt! :-(
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)

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* anatoly techtonik :
> > Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not 
> > solve
> > the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree.
> >
> > The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular
> > browser, here Chrome.
> >
> > The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
> > everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.
> >
> > But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a 
> > reset.css
> > in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers.
> > That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble.
> 
> Thanks. IMO http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/  should be added
> to python.org regardless of PSF > redesign plans.

I advise against it in the current website state. It will likely worsen
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)

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* anatoly techtonik :
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter  wrote:
> 
> > * anatoly techtonik :
> > > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> > > experience with that?
> >
> > I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
> > http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.
> >
> 
> Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve
> this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the
> matters worse?

Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve
the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree.

The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular
browser, here Chrome.

The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.

But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css
in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers.
That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)

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* anatoly techtonik :
> I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> experience with that?

I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.

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> 
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with
> > python.org:
> >
> >In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the
> > left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example)
> > is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a
> > screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's
> > rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> >
> > The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
> >
> > Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume
> > that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Michael Foord
> >
> > --
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> >
> > May you do good and not evil
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fw: [Archiver-policy] Impact of SOPA?

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

course, get our sites taken 
> down/blocked based onunsupported claims (i.e. no due process; guilty 
> until proveninnocent).I'd expect to have to shut MARC down, or 
> move it out of the US (and nolonger touch it myself, any more).  So, 
> I am thinking of participatingin the SOPA Blackout Day on 
> Wednesday.I'm curious what the Jeffs think, if you've gotten any 
> legal opinionson the matter, considered participating in the blackout, 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] PyPI now running on nginx+uwsgi

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* "Martin v. Löwis" :
> > If a web cache helps with PyPi, we could add varnish
> > <https://www.varnish-cache.org/>. It has been praised all over the place. 
> > Ralf
> > and I happen to know the author. Dunno if that would open a door, but I 
> > would
> > try if we think we need help.
> 
> I'm very skeptical with respect to caching. It can be a source of
> problems on its own.

Yes, it can.

If we need to examine such alternatives I recommend using varnish.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] PyPI now running on nginx+uwsgi

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* "Martin v. Löwis" :
> Am 22.11.2011 21:56, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:
> > * "Martin v. Löwis" :
> >> I have switched the PyPI installation to nginx and uwsgi.
> >> The start scripts are in /etc/init.d/{nginx,pypi}; the configuration
> >> in /etc/nginx and /data/pypi/config.ini. Log files go to /log as usual.
> > 
> > Out of curiosity: Why?
> 
> I hope that it can deal better with the overload cases that (possibly)
> have constantly caused outages over the last few months. Load average
> would occasionally go to 250, and apache spawn 2400 threads (*), in
> overload situations. With nginx, this shouldn't happen (IIUC), it will
> continue to serve files with low load even if all the PyPI processes
> become unresponsive.
> 
> In addition, I also switched to uwsgi (primarily because it's one
> of nginx's supported integrations of Python apps). I found that uwsgi
> supports a timeout on single requests, which I set to 60s. So any
> PyPI request taking longer than 60s (and I think these actually happened
> in the past) will get killed, which should help to overcome overload
> situations more quickly, and to allow continuing service to "regular"
> users even in abuse situations.
> 
> Of course, whether this actually works out, we will see.

If a web cache helps with PyPi, we could add varnish
<https://www.varnish-cache.org/>. It has been praised all over the place. Ralf
and I happen to know the author. Dunno if that would open a door, but I would
try if we think we need help.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] PyPI now running on nginx+uwsgi

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* "Martin v. Löwis" :
> I have switched the PyPI installation to nginx and uwsgi.
> The start scripts are in /etc/init.d/{nginx,pypi}; the configuration
> in /etc/nginx and /data/pypi/config.ini. Log files go to /log as usual.

Out of curiosity: Why?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] outage report

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* Charles McLaughlin :
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM, M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> 
> > Doug Hellmann wrote:
> > > I've had an outage report for python.org via twitter. It's working for
> > me, but the reporter says "traceroute drops at
> > te5-4.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all.net" and they aren't able to connect to the
> > site.
> > >
> > > Is anyone else seeing an issue?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > In such cases, I'd suggest to use a tool like Looking Glass to check the
> > availability from many different parts of the world:
> >
> > http://www.traceroute.org/
> >
> >
> Also http://pingdom.com/ offers basic monitoring from all over the world and
> it's free for one site.

I am not sure if I mentioned it before, but Ralf and I happen to work together
with Michael Schwartzkopff, who is an expert in network and network
monitoring. Michael offered to hook all pydotorg machines up to a
Nagios/Zabbix/openNMS monitoring system. That would give us not only the
chance to monitor web services.

It's been a year since Michael and I talked about this, and I would have to
reconfirm he's still with us, but as I know him its more a formal thing to ask
him if he still sticks to that offer.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] outage report

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* Doug Hellmann :
> I've had an outage report for python.org via twitter. It's working for me,
> but the reporter says "traceroute drops at te5-4.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all.net"
> and they aren't able to connect to the site.

Works for me from Germany

p@x220:~$ tracepath python.org
 1:  x220.local0.242ms pmtu 1500
 1:  192.168.192.1 3.633ms 
 1:  192.168.192.1 1.315ms 
 2:  no reply
 3:  83-169-135-254.static.superkabel.de  12.133ms 
 4:  83-169-183-237-isp.superkabel.de 10.585ms asymm  3 
 5:  83-169-128-189.static.superkabel.de  22.428ms 
 6:  83-169-128-141.static.superkabel.de  27.882ms asymm  7 
 7:  ams-ix.tc2.xs4all.net34.704ms asymm  8 
 8:  0.so-2-0-0.xr4.1d12.xs4all.net   46.140ms asymm 10 
 9:  no reply
10:  dinsdale.python.org  36.087ms reached
 Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 10 back 54 


> 
> Is anyone else seeing an issue?
> 
> Doug
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

I live next to Gert. Should I go over and "shake his hands"… ;)

But seriously, this seems to be a problem introduced by XS4all. Is there
anything we can/should do about?

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* Michael Foord :
> Begin forwarded message:
> > From: Mark Mahle 
> > Subject: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering 
> > Date: 30 August 2011 13:19:54 GMT+01:00
> > To: n...@xs4all.nl
> > Cc: peer...@xs4all.nl, Owen Delong , webmas...@python.org, 
> > g...@space.net, d...@goscomb.net
> > 
> > Hello XS4All Noc,
> > 
> > We are Host Virtual, a cloud provider that provides dual-stack IPv4+IPv6 
> > services worldwide in 10 locations via AS36236 and AS42210.
> > 
> > It has come to our attention that customers in any of our three EU 
> > locations, using our RIPE assigned ip space (2a00:dd80::/32) are unable to 
> > access the XS4all network, including sites such as www.python.org. We 
> > announce at a minimum, a /48 from each location as per generally accepted 
> > standards for IPv6 routability.
> > 
> > In previous communication with our peers, we've learned that XS4ALL filters 
> > its IPv6 traffic based on the strict case at 
> > http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html published by Gert Döring. 
> > 
> > While we understand and appreciate there has been much discussion on the 
> > topic we feel this type of strict filtering, based on rules published and 
> > not updated over 3 years ago are now negatively impacting both XS4ALL's own 
> > customers, and the end users of high profile sites such as www.python.org.
> > 
> > Being a supporter of many open source projects ourselves, and a strong 
> > supporter of moving IPv6 forward we appeal to you to review this policy. 
> > With IPv6 adoption now accelerating it's in all of our best interests to 
> > ensure IPv6 routability.
> > 
> > I appreciate your attention and review of this policy and have included 
> > relevant parties on the CC.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mark
> > 
> > --
> > Mark Mahle
> > +1-877-HOSTED7 x201 :: http://www.hostvirtual.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org

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Am 28.07.2011 14:56, schrieb s...@pobox.com:
> 
> Richard> What makes you believe you can confirm that at some point in
> Richard> the past couple years none of them were scripts?
> 
> You could all be scripts now, but weren't back then...  (I've met you as
> well.) :-)

Skip met them, but then he got annoyed ...
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Re: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org

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* Aahz :
> > In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org as SMTP 
> > server.
> > Either create a second account or add a second outgoing server. Which mail
> > client do you use?
> 
> mutt, mostly.  I can probably figure out how to go through
> mail.python.org if I need to.  (Or just not use a...@python.org at all;
> I use it to receive mail more than for sending.)

Probably something along these lines (if you use a decicated folder "pydotorg"
and create the message in there):

alternates "aahz@pythoncraft\.com|aahz@python\.org"
folder-hook pydotorg set envelope_from_address='a...@python.org'
folder-hook pydotorg my_hdr From: Aahz 
folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_url=smtp://usern...@mail.python.org:587/
folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_authenticators="digest-md5:cram-md5"
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Re: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org

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* Aahz :
> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > * Aahz :
> >>
> >> So what should those of us who want to send @python.org e-mail from a
> >> third-party server do?  (E.g. almost all my e-mail comes from panix.com)
> > 
> > Follow the instructions I send to barry on the list how he should setup his
> > server to relay messages through mail.python.org and replace "barry" with
> > "aahz".
> 
> You misunderstood: "third-party" means that panix.com is almost
> completely outside my control (it's my "ISP").

Indeed, I misunderstood.

In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org as SMTP server.
Either create a second account or add a second outgoing server. Which mail
client do you use?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org

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* Michael Foord :
> On 03/02/2011 22:27, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> >* Michael Foord:
> >>Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from
> >>mfoord to michael.
> >>
> >>I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used
> >>to have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird
> >>to grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).
> >What's your login on mail.python.org? I can put the credentials in your 
> >$HOME.
> 
> I don't believe I have a login on mail.python.org (yet).

But you do have color TV and fridges, do you? ;)

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org

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* Michael Foord :
> Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from
> mfoord to michael.
> 
> I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used
> to have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird
> to grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).

What's your login on mail.python.org? I can put the credentials in your $HOME.

> I send email via a webfaction smtp server that isn't under my
> control (which is why I use it - so I *don't* have to administer
> it). Can I just send emails from python.org using the python.org
> smtp server directly?

Yep. That's what me built it for in the first. ;)

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