Re: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig
CC'ing postmaster, who can do the mailing list thingies. On Mar 31, 2013, at 09:14 AM, Richard Jones wrote: Hi all, apologies for the x-post, Could someone please help me retire the catalog-sig? I'm about to notify all current members, telling them to subscribe to the distutils-sig if they wish to. I believe the references to the catalog-sig are on: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/ http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/ and it needs to be moved to: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/retired/ I will update all PEPs that have Discussions-To set to the catalog-sig. Does deleting the mailing list remove the archives? I wouldn't want that to happen. It *can* but doesn't by default. Here's an official to postmaster to delete the catalog-sig mailing list but keep its archives. Do you want to forward future postings to catalog-sig to forward to distutils-sig, or should we just let them bounce? -Barry ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig
On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: CC'ing postmaster, who can do the mailing list thingies. I've already started this process. The old list has not been deleted, but is fully locked down from getting any more posts made to it, and the auto-responder has been turned on to tell everyone that all new posts should be made to the other list. Assuming that folks still want the archives available, and therefore we leave this in place as a Mailman list that does not accept any new incoming messages, I'm not sure how we would set it up to forward all incoming posts to a different list. So far as I know, only outstanding action that remains is to decide what to do with the list of subscribers to the old list. My understanding is that most of them are already subscribed to the new list, so the easiest thing to do might be to do a mass unsubscribe, and included in that message would be an invitation to join the new list if the recipient has not already done so. Other possibilities would include doing the equivalent of a sort -u on the combined subscriber list, remove all the recipients who are already on the new list, and then do a mass subscribe of the remainder to the new list. At that point, we could do a mass unsubscribe for everyone from the old list, and not have to worry about inviting people to join the new one. Anyway, I'm still waiting on feedback for that. I want to do whatever we can to support the community in the way they want to be supported, but I'm not sure what type of method that this particular community would want applied to them. On Mar 31, 2013, at 09:14 AM, Richard Jones wrote: Hi all, apologies for the x-post, Could someone please help me retire the catalog-sig? I'm about to notify all current members, telling them to subscribe to the distutils-sig if they wish to. I believe the references to the catalog-sig are on: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/ http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/ and it needs to be moved to: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/retired/ I will update all PEPs that have Discussions-To set to the catalog-sig. Does deleting the mailing list remove the archives? I wouldn't want that to happen. It *can* but doesn't by default. Here's an official to postmaster to delete the catalog-sig mailing list but keep its archives. Do you want to forward future postings to catalog-sig to forward to distutils-sig, or should we just let them bounce? -Barry -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig
On Apr 01, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: I've already started this process. Thanks Brad! The old list has not been deleted, but is fully locked down from getting any more posts made to it, and the auto-responder has been turned on to tell everyone that all new posts should be made to the other list. Assuming that folks still want the archives available, and therefore we leave this in place as a Mailman list that does not accept any new incoming messages, I'm not sure how we would set it up to forward all incoming posts to a different list. It's a bit of a hack, but what you do is delete the old list (probably after backing up the lists/catalog-sig directory just in case). Then you need to add Postfix aliases to forward from catalog-sig to distutils-sig. Finally, you need to add catalog-...@python.org as an acceptable alias, and you might want to add an autoresponder text to the posting address to inform people of this, although you can't currently discriminate between postings to catalog-sig and postings to distutils-sig. Boy, this should would make a good Mailman 3 feature! So far as I know, only outstanding action that remains is to decide what to do with the list of subscribers to the old list. My understanding is that most of them are already subscribed to the new list, so the easiest thing to do might be to do a mass unsubscribe, and included in that message would be an invitation to join the new list if the recipient has not already done so. Other possibilities would include doing the equivalent of a sort -u on the combined subscriber list, remove all the recipients who are already on the new list, and then do a mass subscribe of the remainder to the new list. At that point, we could do a mass unsubscribe for everyone from the old list, and not have to worry about inviting people to join the new one. Anyway, I'm still waiting on feedback for that. I want to do whatever we can to support the community in the way they want to be supported, but I'm not sure what type of method that this particular community would want applied to them. Given that both mailing lists are gated on Gmane, I think it's enough to get the word out about the switch, and let people opt-in to distutils sig. They can always catch up on Gmane if they miss something. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 06:44:14PM -0400, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 09:30:00AM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now all I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the retired list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. I'm working on updating the web site. If you need me, see if I'm in #psf on freenode. Done. http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/catalog-sig/ still works; the site-build software isn't smart enough to remove it. (Someone with access to www.python.org could manually find and remove that directory.) --amk ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig
Thanks! BTW, I'm only listed as (co-)admin for catalog-sig - I would be happy to also (co-)admin distutils-sig. Richard On 31 March 2013 10:07, A.M. Kuchling a...@amk.ca wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 06:44:14PM -0400, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 09:30:00AM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now all I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the retired list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. I'm working on updating the web site. If you need me, see if I'm in #psf on freenode. Done. http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/catalog-sig/ still works; the site-build software isn't smart enough to remove it. (Someone with access to www.python.org could manually find and remove that directory.) --amk ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
