[pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
Hi all, I'm writing a tutorial for Python using PyGame, and one thing that bothers me is that I'm not entirely certain that my PyGame is a plain installation. In fact, I'm pretty certain that I have some extras installed, which makes me worry that some stuff that works for me may not work for people reading the tutorial. I've already made sure to use BMP files exclusively for images. But what about sound files? Does pygame.mixer.music *always* support Ogg files? I know my installation does. I'm using WAV files for sound effects, but it's a lot nicer to use Ogg Vorbis for music. Is it safe to assume that anyone who's installed PyGame will have this ability? Also, one person has complained about installation problems on Fedora Core and also on OS X. Are there binary bundles that work well on those platforms? I assume Windows is covered, and I know the Debian installation "just works". Cheers, Terry -- Terry Hancock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
Don't know anything about the osx or debian problems (with OSX I expect the issue may be with whatever python version the user has by default, and which pygame packages are available), but ogg vorbis is definitely supported. Mp3 support is a bit off, so you should always use ogg vorbis instead. How do you have extras installed? AFAIK there is only pygame. Good luck with the tutorial.
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a quick response is that pygame can be compiled with various parts not included, so depending on who compiled pygame or the underlying sdl and how, it can be missing support for various pieces and file formats. ...however, in all official installers for windows and mac all optional components are built in, and furthermore on those platforms the installers include all binary dependencies. i.e. no features or file format support will be available or not depending on what the user has installed besides pygame (note I'm not saying python modules pygame interoperates with are installed though, i.e. you got to install PyOpenGL or numpy seperate) So basically I'm saying I can see there may be feature & file format support problems in what I would consider exceptional cases, most of which I would expect is Linux. I think it would be great to understand those cases better and possibly provide solutions for them (i.e. make sure the ports files install all the right stuff, fix a distro, etc.) so Terry (and others) please provide details on cases where a pygame feature doesn't seem to be included. -more below- On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm writing a tutorial for Python using PyGame, and one thing > that bothers me is that I'm not entirely certain that my PyGame > is a plain installation. > How did you install? > In fact, I'm pretty certain that I have some extras installed, > which makes me worry that some stuff that works for me may not > work for people reading the tutorial. > What OS are you using? what makes you think you have extras? > I've already made sure to use BMP files exclusively for images. > Why BMP files exclusively? what image files are you avoiding? Why are you avoiding them > But what about sound files? Does pygame.mixer.music *always* > support Ogg files? I know my installation does. > SDL_mixer can be built without ogg vorbis support - but I don't see why it would be. again, if there is a case where it is, it would be good to get that fixed. > Also, one person has complained about installation problems on > Fedora Core and also on OS X. Are there binary bundles that > work well on those platforms? I assume Windows is covered, > and I know the Debian installation "just works". > I don't know about Fedora, but it's my expectation that OS X prebuilt installer support for pygame 1.8 is sufficient for all needs. If there is any circumstance where that is not the case, please let the list know so it can be fixed. Also, OS X support for pygame 1.7 has been lacking in that a prebuilt python 2.5 installer was not available for a long period of time, which may be where that part of the complaint originated.
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:43:09PM -0500, Terry Hancock wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm writing a tutorial for Python using PyGame, and one thing > that bothers me is that I'm not entirely certain that my PyGame > is a plain installation. > > In fact, I'm pretty certain that I have some extras installed, > which makes me worry that some stuff that works for me may not > work for people reading the tutorial. > > I've already made sure to use BMP files exclusively for images. > > But what about sound files? Does pygame.mixer.music *always* > support Ogg files? I know my installation does. > > I'm using WAV files for sound effects, but > it's a lot nicer to use Ogg Vorbis for music. Is it safe to > assume that anyone who's installed PyGame will have this > ability? Although it is theoretically possible to compile pygame's support libraries without support for PNG images and OGG sounds, such a build would be broken. --- James
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
I've written a tutorial on sound with pygame. You can find it at http://takira.freehosting.net/ Feel free to extend it or whatever. Also at the same page you can find the PyMP program which aims to play sound files the pygame way. It should be useful. Now for the *.ogg files, they sure are playable in Linux and Windows. Good luck with your tutorial. Takis Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Hi! I had asked before but centered it on recording and was given the page for the mixer but no record features. The burning onto CD is resolved and works fine but do we have a way to translate wav to OGG? I would like to know if someone has written a module to convert formats into other formats? I have not gone to the tutorial page mentioned below yet, but would like to know since OGG files are much smaller then wav files. Bruce Subject: Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"? I've written a tutorial on sound with pygame. You can find it at http://takira.freehosting.net/ Feel free to extend it or whatever. Also at the same page you can find the PyMP program which aims to play sound files the pygame way. It should be useful. Now for the *.ogg files, they sure are playable in Linux and Windows. Good luck with your tutorial. Takis Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
There are no current plans to add features for authoring sounds (i.e. recording or saving audio files) to pygame However you can do that stuff in python with PyMedia: http://pymedia.org//features.html If you just want to convert files to ogg without using python, oggenc and oggdrop can do it (command-line and gui respectively): http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.php On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:21 AM, FT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi! > > I had asked before but centered it on recording and was given the page > for the mixer but no record features. The burning onto CD is resolved and > works fine but do we have a way to translate wav to OGG? > > I would like to know if someone has written a module to convert formats > into other formats? >
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 07:21:26AM -0500, FT wrote: > > Hi! > > I had asked before but centered it on recording and was given the page > for the mixer but no record features. The burning onto CD is resolved and > works fine but do we have a way to translate wav to OGG? > > I would like to know if someone has written a module to convert formats > into other formats? > > I have not gone to the tutorial page mentioned below yet, but would like > to know since OGG files are much smaller then wav files. > > Bruce > If you mean a way to convert wav to ogg inside a pythong program, then no, but if you are just talking about converting wav to ogg in general, yes, there are plenty of tools. On Linux look for the oggenc program, which comes standard as part of the vorbis-tools On windows you can use the graphical OggdropXPd from http://www.rarewares.org/ogg-oggdropxpd.php And another good option is the SoX tool from http://sox.sourceforge.net/ And finally, if you want something really graphical, with editing and filter&effect capabilities too, The http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ sound recorder/editor can save/load both wav and ogg format. It runs on all three major platforms. --- James Paige
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I love Audacity!
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Hi Ian, Thanks, I downloaded it and saving some of my wav files as ogg. I wanted something that allowed me to easily convert all those huge wav files into something transportable and small. Prior to you sending this I had found one other converter but not friendly to screen readers. This one does at least have a file menu, not just buttons on the screen that can only be reached by mouse clicks. So I have what I need to convert my Battle Ship game to .ogg files. The game does do the game with 2 players or computer to play against. I have a level one and 2 for the computer and a third which will be hard to beat in a few hours. Then you will be able to select levels, but not yet. Nice sound and voice for anyone to play, but no video, at least not in the near future. Bruce I love Audacity!
Re: [pygame] Does PyGame support Ogg Vorbis "OOTB"?
Brian Fisher wrote: >> I've already made sure to use BMP files exclusively for images. >> > Why BMP files exclusively? what image files are you avoiding? Why are > you avoiding them Because the documentation (still?) says that only BMP support is guaranteed: >From the documentation installed w/ my PyGame package: """ At the minimum the included load() function will support BMP files. """ >From http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/image.html: """ By default it can only load uncompressed BMP images. """ I also know from experience that with early versions of PyGame, only BMP was supported and it was necessary to convert your images to work with it. These documentation passages suggest that not much has changed in that respect -- though I notice that on my installation, PNG support is as good if not better than BMP support. >> But what about sound files? Does pygame.mixer.music *always* >> support Ogg files? I know my installation does. >> > SDL_mixer can be built without ogg vorbis support - but I don't see > why it would be. again, if there is a case where it is, it would be > good to get that fixed. There's a(nother?) documentation problem here: pygame.mixer.music.load makes no mention of what formats can be loaded in either 1.7 or website documentation. In both cases, though, pygame.mixer.music.play makes an oblique reference to using MP3, OGG, and MOD formats: """ The starting position is dependent on the format of music playing. MP3 and OGG use the position as time (in seconds). MOD music it is the pattern order number. """ This is the only indication that those formats are supported. It's unclear whether other formats are supported or whether this support is unique to the pygame.mixer.music module, or generally applies to all of pygame.mixer. The in-package documentation for 1.7.1 mentions only WAV support for pygame.mixer: """ Loads a new sound object from a WAV file. """ (it doesn't say it doesn't support OGG, but it doesn't say it does, either). The website says: """ The Sound can be loaded from an OGG audio file or from an uncompressed WAV. """ but doesn't say whether the program has changed, or only the documentation. Is the support for pygame.mixer.Sound different from that of pygame.mixer.music.load? Can you load MOD files with pygame.mixer.Sound, for example? The fact that there are two separate modules for handling sound playback makes me think that the range of file format support will be different. In all of the versions I've *tested*, loading an Ogg file worked just fine with both music.load() and mixer.Sound() (well, nearly -- I did once have a problem with playback of Sounds when the music module *wasn't* playing, oddly enough) >> Also, one person has complained about installation problems on >> Fedora Core and also on OS X. Are there binary bundles that >> work well on those platforms? I assume Windows is covered, >> and I know the Debian installation "just works". >> > I don't know about Fedora, but it's my expectation that OS X prebuilt > installer support for pygame 1.8 is sufficient for all needs. If there > is any circumstance where that is not the case, please let the list > know so it can be fixed. > > Also, OS X support for pygame 1.7 has been lacking in that a prebuilt > python 2.5 installer was not available for a long period of time, > which may be where that part of the complaint originated. Are you saying that the correct instructions for OS X, for v1.7 and v1.8 is now to just use the installer from pygame.org downloads? Are you also saying that these work with the version of python that ships with OS X? IOW, the documentation that warned my friend off of just doing a straight install was outdated? Thanks for all of the replies! It's one thing to know what works on your own system (you can always just test), but it's very tricky to work out what will reliably work with other versions on other platforms and installations. Cheers, Terry -- Terry Hancock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com
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I have had no problems loading .png, .gif, .bmp, or .jpg, and I can save to .bmp, and I believe also to .jpg, but I'm not sure.
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I can only speak for Pygame 1.8 on Windows, but I did build it fully loaded. According to the SDL_image docs Pygame should read image formats "BMP, PNM (PPM/PGM/PBM), XPM, LBM, PCX, GIF, JPEG, PNG, TGA, and TIFF". Pygame can write BMP, TGA, PNG and JPEG (.jpg) files. On the audio side "SDL_mixer supports playing music and sound samples from the following formats: - WAVE/RIFF (.wav) - AIFF (.aiff) - VOC (.voc) - MOD (.mod .xm .s3m .669 .it .med and more) using included mikmod - MIDI (.mid) using timidity or native midi hardware - OggVorbis (.ogg) ... - MP3 (.mp3)" To get timidity support unpack the GUS patches, http://www.libsdl.org/projects/mixer/timidity/timidity.tar.gz , under C:\ . This installs a single timidity directory. Finally, contrary to the documentation, the movie module is available for Windows and does works for me. I have played .mpg files with it. However, the loop feature was removed. Lenard Ian Mallett wrote: I have had no problems loading .png, .gif, .bmp, or .jpg, and I can save to .bmp, and I believe also to .jpg, but I'm not sure.
