[PyMOL] Re: [ccp4bb]: Current Stereo 3D Display Info

2006-01-31 Thread Anastassis Perrakis

Hi all -

While on the subject and after thanking Warren for providing the  
excellent resource ...:


We have some nice 3D monitors and Nvidia cards in Linux PC's we do  
stereo with.


Warren correctly points out that you need:

   1280x960  @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 123 kHz
  1344x1008 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 130 kHz
  1400x1050 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 136 kHz

(In fact you need your monitor to switch to these refresh rates only  
when in stereo, but thats a detail)


However, I am totally unable to convince the NVidia drivers we have  
for Linux to
operate at the sync rates I want them to and Warren advices! Thus, we  
have noticeable flicker at stereo
mode (in the non-stereo windows only) which is a shame, given our  
excellent monitors.

Is that expected or can be corrected ?

Could anyone please advice me how to set the Nvidia Linux drivers to  
operate at the proper sync rates then ?


Tassos

PS - Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 / HM204DT (H-sync: 142 kHz) is  
still available by some European vendors new and is great, we have  
two, plus an old trusty EIZO T966 which is also cool. (Warren, I  
could not find that on your list,its a good machine, does 136 and you  
might be able to find one still)



On Jan 28, 2006, at 20:59, Warren DeLano wrote:


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Folks,

Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D
visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly
rare) hardware.

To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on
stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses:

http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html

Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT
monitor suitable for stereo 3D.  If you find any others, please do let
us know!

Cheers,
Warren

--
Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
Principal Scientist

. DeLano Scientific LLC
. 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213
. South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA
. Biz:(650)-872-0942  Tech:(650)-872-0834
. Fax:(650)-872-0273  Cell:(650)-346-1154
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Re: [PyMOL] Re: [ccp4bb]: Current Stereo 3D Display Info

2006-01-31 Thread Stephen Graham
Hi there,

Most modern monitors are very clever and tell the X server their
preferred sync rates (which never exceed 85 Hz).  You can override
this functionality by adding
OptionUseEdidFreqs0
to the Device section of your Xorg (or XFree86) config file.

You will also need to specify your own Modeline to control the monitor
timings.  The program 'gtf', which should come standard in most linux
distros, will help you do this.  Typing 'gtf' without args will give
you a short blurb on how to use the program.  Shove the modeline
output by gtf into the Monitor section of your Xorg config file, set
this new modeline as the default timing in the Screen section of the
config file, and you should be in business.

HTH,

Stephen

P.S. See http://o-info.bioxray.dk/pipermail/o-info/2003-April/006676.html
for more details.

On 1/31/06, Anastassis Perrakis a.perra...@nki.nl wrote:
 Hi all -

 While on the subject and after thanking Warren for providing the excellent
 resource ...:

 We have some nice 3D monitors and Nvidia cards in Linux PC's we do stereo
 with.

 Warren correctly points out that you need:

 1280x960  @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 123 kHz
   1344x1008 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 130 kHz
   1400x1050 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 136 kHz
 (In fact you need your monitor to switch to these refresh rates only when in
 stereo, but thats a detail)

 However, I am totally unable to convince the NVidia drivers we have for
 Linux to
 operate at the sync rates I want them to and Warren advices! Thus, we have
 noticeable flicker at stereo
 mode (in the non-stereo windows only) which is a shame, given our excellent
 monitors.
 Is that expected or can be corrected ?

 Could anyone please advice me how to set the Nvidia Linux drivers to operate
 at the proper sync rates then ?

  Tassos

 PS - Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 / HM204DT (H-sync: 142 kHz) is still
 available by some European vendors new and is great, we have two, plus an
 old trusty EIZO T966 which is also cool. (Warren, I could not find that on
 your list,its a good machine, does 136 and you might be able to find one
 still)




 On Jan 28, 2006, at 20:59, Warren DeLano wrote:

 ***  For details on how to be removed from this list visit the  ***
 ***  CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk ***


 Folks,

 Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D
 visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly
 rare) hardware.

 To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on
 stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses:

 http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html

 Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT
 monitor suitable for stereo 3D.  If you find any others, please do let
 us know!

 Cheers,
 Warren

 --
 Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
 Principal Scientist

 . DeLano Scientific LLC
 . 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213
 . South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA
 . Biz:(650)-872-0942  Tech:(650)-872-0834
 . Fax:(650)-872-0273  Cell:(650)-346-1154
 . mailto:war...@delsci.com






--
Stephen Graham
Crystallography Group
School of Molecular and Microbial Biosciences
University of Sydney