[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

I am closing this kitchen-sink as unneeded since there are issues for most 
everything I think worthwhile.

14 #40905 However, tkinter.messagebox dialogs have canned buttons that cannot 
be relabeled, so would have to use something else.

U1 Run => Run... Customized allows specification of argv.
U2 Integrated pip not allowed.
U3 Detecting 2x code.  No.
U4, reread "I'd move the final >>> prompt to a small separate window on its own 
at the bottom of the interactive shell window. This way, the top area is 
read-only" I intend to do this.

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dependencies:  -Help button on preference window doesn't work, IDLE - add an 
"Interrupt Execution" to shell menu, IDLE Debugger: Improve GUI, IDLE does not 
supply a default ext of .py on Windows or OS X for new file saves, IDLE editor 
line numbers, IDLE: Remove tear-off menu feature, IDLE: Revise Mac OS X key 
bindings., IDLE: make .py default added extension on save, Include version info 
in Windows shortcuts
resolution:  -> works for me
stage:  -> resolved
status: open -> closed

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

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versions: +Python 3.6, Python 3.7 -Python 2.7, Python 3.4, Python 3.5

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Mark Roseman]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

General comment: I am less willing to casually change defaults or even remove 
features, and upset current habits of current users, than the blogger and 
responders.  I now have an organized list of all open Idle issues.  I am 
checking this list against that and am incorporating data from messages above.

1a. #2704 (limited from request) jump to prompt when hitting character key.
1b. (my idea) add run-undo that will delete output and reactivate previous 
input line for editing.
1.1 #3851,  #17060, #18444 HOME, fixed on non-mac,
1.2 copy on highlight. Rejected. I constantly use auto-copy to >>>.
2. Debug highlight.  If still true, probably only or worse on Windows.
3. 15308 Stop execution. (same as control-C)  Restart Shell (C-F6) does more 
that stopping a statement, but is only sure way to stop.
4. #13884 Tear of menu optional or gone
5. #7136 New Window -> New Editor Window
6. Pygame issue or perhaps fixed as similar complaints have been.
7. #10364 .py extension, #6804 and #6858 are related.
8a. Delete ZoomHeight.  Low priority, someone might use it.
8b. Tile Shell & Editor:  I would like to tile two notebooks (#9262).
9. Surrounding parens.  delete or make auto
10. #17942 Improve debugger gui.
11. #17721 Help button.  Also Improve Idle config dialog.  Maybe.
12. #17535 Line numbers in editor.
13. #694339 dedent with shift Tab.
14. #5150 Strip trailing whitespace: auto for .py (including trailing \ns.
15. Save dialog: Save, Don't Save instead of yes/ no.
16. #10747 Icon version
17. c-wheel, change font size (see turtledemo #21933).
U1. Specify argv when run.
U2. #19406 include pip (Win, Mac, at least)
U3. Detect if 2.x or 3.x code (could at least 
U4. Repeat of 1a
R4.1 Idle and input(); works now
R4.2 Idle and turtle; works now
R4.3a Highlight blocks #6804 in part
R4.3b 22354 Highlight tabs versus spaces.
R5.1 Mac focus issue.
R5.2

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dependencies: +IDLE Debugger: Improve GUI, IDLE: Add an option to show line 
numbers along the left side of the editor window, and have it enabled by 
default., IDLE: Remove tear-off menu feature

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

http://inventwithpython.com/blog/2011/11/29/the-things-i-hate-about-idle-that-i-wish-someone-would-fix/comment-page-1/#comment-2726
Professor teaching Python says '4. UNFRIENDLY: Forcing a kill of a running 
script by clicking the X close button brings up the scary message of “killing” 
something.'. 

>>> input('say something')
say something  

Unless someone objects within a few days, I will change message title and text 
to
Stop your program?
Your program is still running!  Do you want to stop it and exit the Shell?

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Zachary Ware]

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dependencies: +IDLE: Mac OS X pressing ctrl-A in Python shell moved cursor 
before the prompt, which then makes the keyboard unresponsive.
versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.5 -Python 3.3

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Kurt B. Kaiser]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Todd Rovito]

Todd Rovito added the comment:

1.1) "Pressing the Home key moves the cursor before the >>> prompt, which then 
makes the keyboard unresponsive." 

This issue is still broken on Mac OS X.

http://bugs.python.org/issue18444

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy added the comment:

Issue17721 addresses part of point 11) "And am I the only person who noticed 
that the Help button doesn’t actually do anything?"

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Todd Rovito]

Todd Rovito added the comment:

http://bugs.python.org/issue17535 covers issue 12 Add an option to show line 
numbers along the left side of the editor window, and have it enabled by 
default.

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Berker Peksag]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Todd Rovito]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy  added the comment:

#13884 has a patch to address point 4) ANNOYANCE: Get rid of the detachable 
menus feature.

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Nebelhom]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy  added the comment:

#2704 covers point 1 (In the shell window, if you click anywhere but on the 
current line and move the cursor there, the window stops handling key strokes.)

#3851 covers point 1.1) "Pressing the Home key moves the cursor before the >>> 
prompt, which then makes the keyboard unresponsive."

#7136 covers point 5) "Opening a file editor window or a shell window isn’t 
clear."

#6804 and #6858 are also related to point 7 "It’s too easy to forget the .py 
extension when saving a file."

#694339 covers point 13) "The Indent Region and Dedent Region lines use the 
keyboard shortcut Ctrl-] and Ctrl-[, even though nobody uses that because you 
can indent the region by pressing tab."

#5150 is related to point 14) "Get rid of the Format > “Strip trailing 
whitespace” option from the menu"

#10747 covers point 16) "The Windows shortcuts for IDLE don’t have the version 
in their name."

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Berker Peksag]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

#10364 covers point 7 (make .py default added extension on save)

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Roger Serwy]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Terry J. Reedy]

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Nick Coghlan]

Nick Coghlan  added the comment:

Also add dependencies and links for any already known issues. For example:

#10747 covers point 16) (re. version numbers in Windows shortcuts)

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Nick Coghlan]

Nick Coghlan  added the comment:

If you decide to work on one of the problems or feature requests mentioned in 
that post:

1. Create a separate, appropriately titled, tracker issue
2. Add that issue to the Dependencies field on this one.
3. Add a comment here to map the point number from the blog post to the 
relevant tracker issue number (so that issues don't get doubled up).

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[issue13504] Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback

[Nick Coghlan]

New submission from Nick Coghlan :

This is a meta-issue for the following blog post: 
http://inventwithpython.com/blog/2011/11/29/the-things-i-hate-about-idle-that-i-wish-someone-would-fix/

There are a bunch of good ideas there that should be split out into a number of 
separate bug reports and feature requests. This meta-bug is just a quick and 
dirty way to suggest doing so, and giving people a place to collaborate on the 
task.

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messages: 148629
nosy: ncoghlan
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: Meta-issue for "Invent with Python" IDLE feedback
versions: Python 3.3

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