[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[A.M. Kuchling]

A.M. Kuchling added the comment:

It looks like there's nothing left to do for this ticket.

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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[Antoine Pitrou]

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

 Heh, I never claimed I understood French, but none of our French speakers 
 decided to review my fake-french examples :)

I just thought they looked funny :-)

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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[Clément]

New submission from Clément:

From https://docs.python.org/3/howto/unicode.html:

 For a while people just wrote programs that didn’t display accents.
 In the mid-1980s an Apple II BASIC program written by a French 
 speaker might have lines like these:
 
 PRINT FICHIER EST COMPLETE.
 PRINT CARACTERE NON ACCEPTE.
 
 Those messages should contain accents (completé, caractère, accepté),  and 
 they just look wrong to someone who can read French.

One of the reasons the message looks wrong is that FICHIER EST COMPLETE in 
ungrammatical in French. Google has 16 hits for that query, half of which are 
from the Python documentation. The second one is better.

I imagine the first one comes from the English FILE IS COMPLETE, but I'm not 
even sure what that meant, so it's hard to give a better translation :/ 
Instead, here are a few examples that could work:

MISE A JOUR TERMINEE (Update completed − missing à and é in terminée)
VEUILLEZ REDEMARRER (Please reboot − missing é in redémarrer)
PARAMETRES ENREGISTRES (Settings saved − missing è in paramètre and é in 
enregistrés)

Similarly, 
https://docs.python.org/3/library/email-examples.html#examples-using-the-provisional-api:

 msg['Subject'] = Ayons asperges pour le déjeuner

I imagine this comes from the English Let's have asparagus for lunch!, but 
the translation reads Possess asparagus for lunch we. A proper idiomatic 
French version would be Ça te dirait de manger des asperges à midi? (Would 
you like to eat asparagus for lunch?)

Again further on the same page:

 Cela ressemble à un excellent recipie[1] déjeuner.

Could this mean This looks like a delicious lunch recipie? The typo in 
recipie would have prevented the machine translation from picking up recipie, 
which survived in the French version? This currently reads This look like 
recipie lunch a excellent. A proper French version (adjusted to have accents) 
might be J'ai trouvé une recette sympa: [1] (I found a nice recipe: [1]).

Not sure why using French is needed though; English already has a few accented 
words: a message with subject Résumé attached, and body Here's my résumé 
would probably work just as well, and might not divert the reader's attention 
as much.

Side note: in the example Pépé writes to Fabrette and Penelope. Aren't they the 
same character?

Clément.

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title: French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical
versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4, Python 3.5, Python 3.6

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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[Serhiy Storchaka]

Changes by Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com:


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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[R. David Murray]

R. David Murray added the comment:

Heh, I never claimed I understood French, but none of our French speakers 
decided to review my fake-french examples :)

(I can't speak to the examples from the unicode howto.)

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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

[Roundup Robot]

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New changeset 55462210ba2d by Benjamin Peterson in branch '2.7':
improve incorrect French (#23109)
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/55462210ba2d

New changeset 2c87dd2d821e by Benjamin Peterson in branch '3.4':
improve incorrect French (#23109)
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/2c87dd2d821e

New changeset c5603b77df68 by Benjamin Peterson in branch 'default':
merge 3.4 (#23109)
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c5603b77df68

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[issue23109] French quotes in the documentation are often ungrammatical

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New changeset 181dfe9288d4 by Benjamin Peterson in branch '3.4':
update correct French examples (#23109)
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/181dfe9288d4

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