[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[STINNER Victor]

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It's now a third party project: https://pypi.org/project/regex/

If someone wants to move it into the Python stdlib, I suggest to start on the 
python-ideas list first.

I close the issue as REJECTED.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Matthew Barnett]

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The page on PyPI says where the project's homepage is located:

Home Page: https://code.google.com/p/mrab-regex-hg/

The bug was fixed in the last release.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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Well, I am reporting it here, is this not the correct place? Sorry if it is.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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@Mateon1: "I hope it's fixed"? Did you report it?

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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Well, I found a bug with this module, on Python 2.7(.5), on Windows 7 64-bit 
when you try to compile a regex with the flags V1|DEBUG, the module crashes as 
if it wanted to call a builtin called "ascii".

The bug happened to me several times, but this is the regexp when the last one 
happened. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8993680/

I hope it's fixed, I really love the module and found it very useful to have 
PCRE regexes in Python.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Jeffrey C. Jacobs]

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If I recall, I started this thread with a plan to update re itself with 
implementations of various features listed in the top post.  If you look at the 
list of files uploaded by me there are seme complete patches for Re to add 
various features like Atomic Grouping.  If we wish to therefore bring re to 
regex standard we could start with those features.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Nick Coghlan]

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Thanks for pushing this one forward Serhiy! Your approach sounds like a
fine plan to me.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Ezio Melotti]

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Ok, regardless of what will happen, increasing test coverage is a worthy goal.  
We might start by looking at the regex test suite to see if we can import some 
tests from there.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Serhiy Storchaka]

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> So you are suggesting to fix bugs in re to make it closer to regex, and then
> replace re with a forked subset of regex that doesn't include advanced
> features, or just to fix/improve re until it matches the behavior of regex?

Depends on what will be easier. May be some bugs are so hard to fix that 
replacing re with regex is only solution. But if fixed re will be simpler and 
faster than lightened regex and will contain all necessary features, there 
will be no need in the replacing. Currently the code of regex looks more high 
level and better structured, but the code of re looks simpler and is much 
smaller. In any case the closer will be re and regex the easier will be the 
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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Ezio Melotti]

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So you are suggesting to fix bugs in re to make it closer to regex, and then 
replace re with a forked subset of regex that doesn't include advanced 
features, or just to fix/improve re until it matches the behavior of regex?
If you are suggesting the former, I would also suggest checking the coverage 
and bringing it as close as possible to 100%.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Serhiy Storchaka]

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> Exciting. Perhaps you should post your plan on python-dev.

Thank you Antoine. I think all interested core developers are already aware 
about this issue. A disadvantage of posting on python-dev is that this would 
require manually copy links and may be titles of all mentioned issues, while 
here they are available automatically. Oh, I'm lazy.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Antoine Pitrou]

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> Here is my (slowly implemented) plan:

Exciting. Perhaps you should post your plan on python-dev.

In any case, huge thanks for your work on the re module.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Serhiy Storchaka]

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Here is my (slowly implemented) plan:

0. Recommend regex as advanced replacement of re (issue22594).

1. Fix all obvious bugs in the re module if this doesn't break backward 
compatibility (issue12728, issue14260, and many already closed issues).

2. Deprecate and then forbid behavior which looks as a bug, doesn't match regex 
in V1 mode and can't be fixed without breaking backward compatibility 
(issue22407, issue22493, issue22818).

3. Unify minor details with regex (issue22364, issue22578).

4. Fork regex and drop all advanced nonstandard features (such as fuzzy 
matching). Too many features make learning and using the module more hard. They 
should be in advanced module (regex).

5. Write benchmarks which cover all corner cases and compare re with regex case 
by case. Optimize slower module. Currently re is faster regex for all simple 
examples which I tried (may be as result of issue18685), but in total results 
of benchmarks (msg109447) re is slower.

6. May be implement some standard features which were rejected in favor of this 
issue (issue433028, issue433030). re should conform at least Level 1 of UTS #18 
(http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr18/#Basic_Unicode_Support).

In best case in 3.7 or 3.8 we could replace re with simplified regex. Or at 
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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Nick Coghlan]

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Even with in principle approval from Guido, this idea still depends on
volunteers to actually write up a concrete proposal as a PEP (which
shouldn't be too controversial, given Guido already OK'ed the idea) and
then do the integration work to incorporate the code, tests and docs into
CPython (not technically *hard*, but not trivial either). "pip install
regex" starts looking fairly attractive at that point :)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Mark Lawrence]

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Will we actually get regex into the standard library on this pass?

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Nick Coghlan]

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I've been working through the "known crashers" list in the stdlib. The 
recursive import one was fixed with the migration to importlib in 3.3, the 
compiler one will be fixed in 3.3.1 (with an enforced nesting limit). One of 
those remaining is actually a pathological failure in the re module rather than 
a true crasher (i.e. it doesn't segfault, and in 2.7 and 3.3 you can interrupt 
it with Ctrl-C):
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/test/crashers/infinite_loop_re.py

I mention it here as another problem that adopting the regex module could 
resolve (as regex promptly returns None for this case).

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Sandro Tosi]

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I've just uploaded regex into Debian: this will hopefully gives some more eyes 
looking at the module and reporting some feedbacks.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Antoine Pitrou]

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> It'd be nice if we had some sort of representative benchmark for
> real-world uses of Python regexps. The JS guys have all pitched in to
> create such a thing for uses of regexps on thew web. I don't know of
> any such thing for Python.

See http://hg.python.org/benchmarks/, there are regex benchmarks there.

> I agree that a Python implementation wouldn't be useful for some
> cases. On the other hand, I believe it would be fine (or at least
> tolerable) for some others. I don't know the ratio between the two.

I think the ratio would be something like 2% tolerable :)

As I said to Ezio and Georg, I think adding the regex module needs a
PEP, even if it ends up non-controversial.

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[Devin Jeanpierre]

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It'd be nice if we had some sort of representative benchmark for real-world 
uses of Python regexps. The JS guys have all pitched in to create such a thing 
for uses of regexps on thew web. I don't know of any such thing for Python.

I agree that a Python implementation wouldn't be useful for some cases. On the 
other hand, I believe it would be fine (or at least tolerable) for some others. 
I don't know the ratio between the two.

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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Georg Brandl]

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Well, REs are very often used to process large chunks of text by repeated 
application.  So if the whole operation takes 0.1 or 20 seconds you're going to 
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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Devin Jeanpierre]

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> In practice, I expect that a pure Python implementation of a regular 
> expression engine would only be fast enough to be usable on PyPy.

Not sure why this is necessarily true. I'd expect a pure-Python implementation 
to be maybe 200 times as slow. Many queries (those on relatively short strings 
that backtrack little) finish within microseconds. On this scale, a couple of 
orders of magnitudes is not noticeable by humans (unless it adds up), and even 
where it gets noticeable, it's better than having nothing at all or a 
non-working program (up until a point).

python -m timeit -n 100 -s "import re; x = 
re.compile(r'.*<\s*help\s*>([^<]*)<\s*/\s*help.*>'); data = ' '*1000 + '< help 
>' + 'abc'*100 + ''" "x.match(data)"
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[issue2636] Adding a new regex module (compatible with re)

[Nick Coghlan]

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Alex has a valid point in relation to PEP 399, since, like lzma, regex will be 
coming in under the "special permission" clause that allows the addition of C 
extension modules without pure Python equivalents. Unlike lzma, though, the new 
regex engine isn't a relatively simple wrapper around an existing library - 
supporting the new API features on other implementations is going to mean a 
substantial amount of work.

In practice, I expect that a pure Python implementation of a regular expression 
engine would only be fast enough to be usable on PyPy. So while we'd almost 
certainly accept a patch that added a parallel Python implementation, I doubt 
it would actually help Jython or IronPython all that much - they're probably 
going to need versions written in Java and C# to be effective (as I believe 
they already have for the re module).

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