[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Steve Margetts]

Steve Margetts  added the comment:

OK, so I created a profile for my son (single name without any spaces!) and 
that seems to allow both Python and IDLE to work fine. I'll try and sort out my 
profile slow time - it doesn't seem to be causing any other issues just now. 
Thanks for the guidance.

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

The Mac issue is the inability to add .xyz directories to the home directory.  
You can test a fix by entering 'mkdir .idlerc' at the terminal prompt.

The IDLE issue is that IDLE quits when it cannot create .idlerc. In this 
respect, this is a duplicate of #8231.  That this can happen after what seemed 
like a 'normal' install (on a home machine?) gives me a bit more impetus to 
work on that issue.

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

P.S. You might consider creating a new account without the embedded space and 
moving your files there; it will probably cause other problems for you in the 
future.  I notice that the current System Preferences -> Users & Groups 
interface won't even let you create a login account with a space in it.

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

OK, that confirms that your home directory permissions are incorrect.  Not sure 
how that happened, possibly by an inadvertent chown command.  Note that you 
need to be careful when using shell commands because your user name has a space 
character in it, so you have to be sure to enclose it in quotes in the shell 
("Steve Margetts") and there may be third-party scripts that don't handle that 
case well; generally, it's best to avoid using spaces in the Unix login name.  
Anyway, there are several ways to correct the problem but it looks like the 
easiest might be to use a procedure that Apple provides to reset permissions.  
It is described here:

https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-repair-home-folder-permissions

Good luck!

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status: open -> closed

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Steve Margetts]

Steve Margetts  added the comment:

Including tilde...

Last login: Sat Dec 30 10:47:07 on ttys001
mkdir: /Users/Steve Margetts/.bash_sessions: Permission denied
touch: /Users/Steve 
Margetts/.bash_sessions/8B76B0D2-2C88-4FE0-A8F6-C7FB8C13A2A8.historynew: No 
such file or directory
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ ls -led ~
drwxr-xr-x  21 501  staff  714 30 Dec 10:40 /Users/Steve Margetts
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

Just to be sure, please try again with the command as Ronald requested, i.e. 
include the tilde "~":

ls -led ~

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Steve Margetts]

Steve Margetts  added the comment:

OK, those commands give:

iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ ls -led
drwxr-xr-x  21 501  staff  714 30 Dec 10:40 .
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ id
uid=503(Steve Margetts) gid=20(staff) 
groups=20(staff),12(everyone),61(localaccounts),79(_appserverusr),80(admin),81(_appserveradm),98(_lpadmin),33(_appstore),100(_lpoperator),204(_developer),250(_analyticsusers),395(com.apple.access_ftp),398(com.apple.access_screensharing),399(com.apple.access_ssh)
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Ronald Oussoren]

Ronald Oussoren  added the comment:

There appears to be a permission issue with the home directory.

What's the output of the following commands in a terminal window:

$ ls -led ~
$ id

The home directory should be owned by the "uid" shown by the second command, 
and should be writable by the user, the output of "ls" should show something 
like this:

drwxr-xr-x@ 336 ronald  staff  10752 Dec 30 12:52 /Users/ronald
 0: group:everyone deny delete

In particular the mode at the start should start with "drwx".

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Steve Margetts]

Steve Margetts  added the comment:

Thanks for the help. I've installed ActiveTCL 8.5.18.0 as per the Python 
recommendation. Running from terminal:

Last login: Fri Dec 29 16:46:22 on ttys001
mkdir: /Users/Steve Margetts/.bash_sessions: Permission denied
touch: /Users/Steve 
Margetts/.bash_sessions/224C387E-8E74-4020-A5CC-F275EFB79EAE.historynew: No 
such file or directory
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ python3.6
Python 3.6.4 (v3.6.4:d48ecebad5, Dec 18 2017, 21:07:28) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import tkinter
>>>

Did not bring up any error message. However, subsequently trying to run IDLE 
from terminal brought up:

Last login: Sat Dec 30 10:42:04 on ttys000
mkdir: /Users/Steve Margetts/.bash_sessions: Permission denied
touch: /Users/Steve 
Margetts/.bash_sessions/58F5E574-277D-4413-9B03-4B24ED9B4C21.historynew: No 
such file or directory
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ python3.6 -m idlelib

 Warning: unable to create user config directory
/Users/Steve Margetts/.idlerc
 Check path and permissions.
 Exiting!

iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ 

Does this look like a permissions issue? If so, any idea what to try next? I'm 
logged on as an administrator on a home computer. Is this likely to be a 
security setting issue? Thanks again for any help - I'm a child of the GUI and 
the last time I coded anything was in BBC Basic!

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

Those messages at the top of your terminal sessions are pretty suspicious, e.g. 
"Permission denied" and "No such file or directory".  They suggest a home 
directory ownership or permissions issue which you should investigate.  But 
definitely try running IDLE from the terminal window as Terry suggests.  If 
nothing else, you may see more informative error messages.

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

IDLE uses Python's tcl/tk interface module, called 'tkinter'.  Tcl is a 
separate language and tk is its graphical user interface.  This is most likely 
the problem.  Did you follow the advice at
https://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/
to install tcl/tk 8.5.18?  Make sure you read the whole page.

To test better, run 'import tkinter' at Python's interactive '>>>' prompt.  Any 
error message?  If that works, run 'python3.6 -m idlelib' and/or 'python -m 
idlelib.idle' at the terminal '...$' prompt.  Does that display an error 
message?

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[issue32447] IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1

[Steve Margetts]

New submission from Steve Margetts :

I am trying to install Python on a Max running OS 10.13.1 (so my son can use a 
'Coding for Beginners' book). Both 2.7 and 3.6 have the same problem: Clicking 
on IDLE leads to the icon bouncing a couple of times in the dock, but not 
opening a shell. I have tried re-installing and restarting post install. Typing 
python or python3.6 into the terminal seems to launch Python successfully 
(details below). I am as new to coding as my son, please phrase any advice 
accordingly!

Thank you.

Last login: Fri Dec 29 16:26:57 on ttys000
mkdir: /Users/Steve Margetts/.bash_sessions: Permission denied
touch: /Users/Steve 
Margetts/.bash_sessions/79B2448C-E769-409D-A67D-7A96F8C3C348.historynew: No 
such file or directory
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ python
Python 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017, 12:01:12) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> help
Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object.
>>>

Last login: Fri Dec 29 16:30:16 on ttys000
mkdir: /Users/Steve Margetts/.bash_sessions: Permission denied
touch: /Users/Steve 
Margetts/.bash_sessions/5A516AB8-0481-4D55-A2BD-1B1017E52147.historynew: No 
such file or directory
iMac:~ Steve Margetts$ python3.6
Python 3.6.4 (v3.6.4:d48ecebad5, Dec 18 2017, 21:07:28) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>

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assignee: terry.reedy
components: IDLE
messages: 309180
nosy: sm1979, terry.reedy
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: IDLE shell won't open on Mac OS 10.13.1
type: behavior
versions: Python 3.6

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