[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Raymond Hettinger]

Change by Raymond Hettinger :


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resolution:  -> not a bug
stage:  -> resolved
status: open -> closed

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Mark Dickinson]

Mark Dickinson  added the comment:

Speaking as a British, UK-based Python contributor who's unhappy with recent 
political developments in the UK, I say let's close this.

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Aurora]

Change by Aurora :


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type:  -> enhancement

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

I concur with Steven and Raymond.  The 2016 Brexit votes were Leave 17.4 
million and Remain 16.1 million.  No resemblence to the hypothetical example.  
I think that this should be closed as 'not a bug'.

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Aurora]

Aurora  added the comment:

This example is practically against Python's diversity statement.

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Raymond Hettinger]

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

I concur with Steven.  The association with Brexit is specious and the CoC 
wasn't intended to apply to second guessing technical examples.

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assignee: docs@python -> willingc
nosy: +rhettinger, willingc
priority: normal -> low

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Steven D'Aprano]

Steven D'Aprano  added the comment:

Oh come on now, this is such a trivialisation of the CoC that I cannot believe 
that it is a good-faith bug report and not a troll. I'm surprised you didn't 
toss in the words "triggered" and "micro-aggression" while you're at it.

The example has nothing to do with the UK Referendum (or for that matter, the 
2016 referendums in Zambia, Columbia, Bolivia, or Italy): the numbers are 
completely different, the results and percentages are different, and there is 
no non-arbitrary way to map Yes/No of a made up example to either Leave/Remain 
or any other actual results. If you want to read the example as a better world 
where the majority of peole voted "No" to leaving the EU, then go ahead.

Why should you privilege the Brexit referendum over (let's say) the Irish 
referendum which voted in favour of allowing same-sex marriages? Or are you 
annoyed by that too?

Any year is going to "annoy" some fraction of the readers:

2019 is the year that the Liberal Party (don't be fooled by the name: they're 
the authoritarian-right, climate-change-denying reactionary-right party) won 
the Australian Federal election on a campaign of Facebook fake news, "annoying" 
almost half the country. It is also the year that President Trump was 
impeached, annoying half of the USA. 2018 was the year Vladimir Putin was 
re-elected president of Russia, annoying and *terrifying* some percentage of 
Russians. 2017 was the year that Trump was sworn in as US President. Shall we 
go on?

2016 was also the year that Taiwan saw the first ever majority by a non-KMT 
party, and the first female prime minister, when the Democratic Progressive 
Party won their elections.

By the way, the fact that I've just spent easily half an hour getting annoyed 
at this bug report and writing this response disproves your claim about 
avoiding making others upset.

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Fred Drake]

Change by Fred Drake :


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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Serhiy Storchaka]

Change by Serhiy Storchaka :


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nosy: +akuchling

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[issue39480] referendum reference is needlessly annoying

[Ian Jackson]

New submission from Ian Jackson :

The section "Fancier Output Formatting" has the example below.  This will 
remind many UK readers of the 2016 EU referendum.  About half of those readers 
will be quite annoyed.

This annoyance seems entirely avoidable; a different example which did not 
refer to politics would demonstrate the behaviour just as well.

Changing this example would (in the words of the CoC) also show more empathy, 
and be more considerate towards, python contributors unhappy with recent 
political developments in the UK, without having to make anyone else upset in 
turn.

  >>> year = 2016
  >>> event = 'Referendum'
  >>> f'Results of the {year} {event}'
  'Results of the 2016 Referendum'

  >>> yes_votes = 42_572_654
  >>> no_votes = 43_132_495
  >>> percentage = yes_votes / (yes_votes + no_votes)
  >>> '{:-9} YES votes  {:2.2%}'.format(yes_votes, percentage)' 42572654 YES 
votes  49.67%'

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assignee: docs@python
components: Documentation
messages: 360883
nosy: diziet, docs@python
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: referendum reference is needlessly annoying
versions: Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9

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