[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Ronald Oussoren]

Ronald Oussoren  added the comment:

keflavich: Please open a new issue for the problem you are running in, it 
is a completely seperate issue than the one you appended your message to.

Where can I download a 64-bit capable version of Tcl/Tk? 

BTW. The correct fix would be to add a probe to setup.py that detects if 
Tcl/Tk was build with 64-bit support or not.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Ned Deily]

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@keflavich: To include 64-bit support for Tcl/Tk on OSX, you'll need to 
modify python's setup.py file.  Search down for
  "All existing framework builds of Tcl/Tk don't support 64-bit"
around line 1500 in 2.6; there is explicit code there to prevent tkinter 
from attempting to link with x86_64 and ppc64 libraries.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Adam Ginsburg]

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Although this is an old & closed error, I'm still running in to it.

I am trying to compile & install 64 bit python with Tk/Tcl support on
Mac OS X 10.5.7.

I have installed 64-bit Tcl/Tk:
$ file /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk
/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk: Mach-O universal
binary with 3 architectures
/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk (for architecture
ppc7400):Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc
/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk (for architecture
i386):   Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386
/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk (for architecture
x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64
$ file /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: Mach-O universal
binary with 3 architectures
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl (for architecture
ppc7400):  Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl (for architecture
i386): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl (for architecture
x86_64):   Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64

Everything that _tkinter.so links to appears to be 64-bit capable:
$ otool -L
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so:
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl
(compatibility version 8.5.0, current version 8.5.7)
/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.5/Tk (compatibility
version 8.5.0, current version 8.5.7)
/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0,
current version 1.0.0)
/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current
version 111.0.0)

But somehow _tkinter.so doesn't have x86_64 support:
$ file
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so:
Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so
(for architecture i386):Mach-O bundle i386
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so
(for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O bundle ppc

How can I make tkinter work with 64 bit Tcl/Tk?

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Benjamin Peterson]

Benjamin Peterson  added the comment:

Ok. Thanks for testing! I've added the installers to the website.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Ohmi]

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Installed on 10.5.6, IDLE ran correctly.
Nicely done.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Muhammad Alkarouri]

Muhammad Alkarouri  added the comment:

2008/12/18 Benjamin Peterson :
>
> Benjamin Peterson  added the comment:
>
> I've uploaded a .dmg for 2.6.1 to
> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.1/. Could you please test it?
>

Just to confirm, I have installed the package in OS X 10.4.11, and
Tkinter and Idle work fine.

Many Thanks.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Don Braffitt]

Don Braffitt  added the comment:

>I've uploaded a .dmg for 2.6.1 to
>http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.1/. Could you please test it?

I installed the 2.6.1 .dmg on Mac OS X 10.5.5, and IDLE once again works
fine.

- Don

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Joachim Strombergson]

Joachim Strombergson  added the comment:

I downloaded the newly built 2.6.1 dmg and can confirm that, at least
for me:

(1) import Tkinter works.
(2) Starting IDLE works.

It looks like we have a winner, good job Benjamin!

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Benjamin Peterson]

Benjamin Peterson  added the comment:

I've uploaded a .dmg for 2.6.1 to
http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.1/. Could you please test it?

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Muhammad Alkarouri]

Muhammad Alkarouri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:

Now that Python 2.6.1 is out, can we expect a new OS X installer built
correctly? I think this is pretty important..

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[David M. Beazley]

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Just a quick comment from the Python training universe--this bug makes it 
impossible to use Python 2.6 in any kind of Python teaching environment 
where IDLE tends to be used a lot.  I'm having to tell students to stick 
with Python-2.5.2.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[TJ Usiyan]

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same here

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Benjamin Peterson]

Benjamin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:

Assigning to Ronald. I all that needs to be done, it have the installers
built correctly.

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Andre Berg]

Andre Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:

Per instructions in the helpful post outlining the Library search order,
I downloaded and installed AquaTk 8.5.4, then I downloaded
Python-2.6.tar.gz source, ran ./configure --enable-framework, sudo make
build, sudo make install.

IDLE appears to be working well so far. Also the Python interactive
interpreter appears to be working. Except that whenever I do an import
 I get a Bus Error and the Python interpreter crashes. 
This appears randomly, but no less than the second import 
statement I type one after the other. It is interesting to note that the
interactive prompt in the IDLE does not have this problem. Only the
command line (e.g. Terminal) interactive interpreter does, as well as
IPython.

Following is the crash report shown by the Apple Crash Reporter.
Hopefully someone can make sense of it, as I can't (I am not a hardcore
programmer, unfortunately.)


-- CRASH REPORT 
Parent Process:  bash [766]

Date/Time:   2008-10-19 20:11:18.643 +0200
OS Version:  Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F33)
Report Version:  6

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x
Crashed Thread:  0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   readline.so 0x000bba3c call_readline + 732
1   org.python.python   0x001d43ae PyOS_Readline + 254
2   org.python.python   0x001d5ba0 tok_nextc + 64
3   org.python.python   0x001d6425 PyTokenizer_Get + 101
4   org.python.python   0x001d0da0 parsetok + 256
5   org.python.python   0x002b0942 PyRun_InteractiveOneFlags
+ 306
6   org.python.python   0x002b0c83 PyRun_InteractiveLoopFlags
+ 99
7   org.python.python   0x002b1549 PyRun_AnyFileExFlags + 185
8   org.python.python   0x002c2506 Py_Main + 3046
9   org.python.python.app   0x1f7b 0x1000 + 3963
10  org.python.python.app   0x1ea9 0x1000 + 3753

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
  eax: 0x  ebx: 0x000bb76b  ecx: 0xbfffeff8  edx: 0x00417ea0
  edi: 0x004291d0  esi: 0x004256d0  ebp: 0xb108  esp: 0xb020
   ss: 0x001f  efl: 0x00010246  eip: 0x000bba3c   cs: 0x0017
   ds: 0x001f   es: 0x001f   fs: 0x   gs: 0x0037
  cr2: 0x

Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0x1ff5 +org.python.python.app 2.6 (2.6)

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python
   0x48000 -0x48ffc +_functools.so ??? (???)
<29c6937481e9eeb3b02765cca7ccf287>
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_functools.so
   0xba000 -0xbbff1 +readline.so ??? (???)
<0a2a766193b43567110e66bf2231dafa>
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/readline.so
   0xc1000 -0xd7fea  libedit.2.dylib ??? (???)
 /usr/lib/libedit.2.dylib
   0xe2000 -0xe5ff3 +_collections.so ??? (???)

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_collections.so
   0xeb000 -0xeefff +operator.so ??? (???)

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/operator.so
   0xf5000 -0xf6fff +time.so ??? (???)

/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/time.so
  0x1cf000 -   0x2f5fe3 +org.python.python 2.6.0, (c) 2004-2008 Python
Software Foundation. (2.6.0) <44f73bce7c729a42509bd1761feecc32>
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/Python
0x8fe0 - 0x8fe2da53  dyld 96.2 (???)
<7af47d3b00b2268947563c7fa8c59a07> /usr/lib/dyld
0x92778000 - 0x9277ffe9  libgcc_s.1.dylib ??? (???)
 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
0x94583000 - 0x94587fff  libmathCommon.A.dylib ??? (???)
/usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib
0x94a36000 - 0x94b96ff3  libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???)
 /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x95526000 - 0x9ff7  libncurses.5.4.dylib ??? (???)
<3b2ac2ca8190942b6b81d2a7012ea859> /usr/lib/libncurses.5.4.dylib
0x - 0x1780  libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???)
/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

---

I have MacPorts installed and also an old Fink installation. Could this
be causing it? I also looked through the README troubleshooting section,
and I did not change the default installation location for the framework
as suggested in the README.

If someone could help I'd be most grateful.

André

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

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[issue4017] Tkinter cannot find Tcl/Tk on Mac OS X

[Mark Tsuchida]

Mark Tsuchida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:

There are two symptoms here, each caused by a different bug.
Neither is specific to IDLE; they have to do with Tkinter recognizing 
the correct Tcl/Tk installation at build time and run time.

Bug 1: The Python 2.6 binary installer appears (judging from the error 
message) to have been built against a Tcl installation in 
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework. Mac OS X (10.4.11 and I assume 
Leopard as well) comes with Tcl/Tk, installed in 
/System/Library/Frameworks, but there will be no 
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework unless you install Tcl/Tk on your own 
(but read on before doing so).

Symptom 1: Hence, the error about not being able to find 
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl. This symptom should 
not manifest if either a) you install Tcl/Tk 8.5 on your own, or b) you 
build Python from the source (so that it finds the pre-installed Tcl in 
/System/Library).

Bug 2: The Python source distribution (both 2.5.2 and 2.6; I have not 
checked earlier versions) searches for Tcl and Tk in the wrong order, as 
pointed out in the comp.lang.python post referenced in msg74440 and 
msg74544.

In Mac OS X's standard search order for frameworks, /Library/Frameworks 
comes before /System/Library/Frameworks (see the ld and dyld man pages: 
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/
ld.1.html and 
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/
dyld.1.html), whereas the setup.py script in the Python source 
distribution tries /System/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework before 
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework (and same for Tk.framework).

Symptom 2: This causes a problem _only_ when you have a separately 
installed version of Tcl (e.g. 8.5).
Python's setup.py script finds the Tk installation in 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework (version 8.4) and uses its 
headers, whereas the linker (being part of Mac OS X) chooses the Tk 
dynamic library in /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework (version 8.5 if 
that's what you installed). (I suspect the linker records the Tcl and Tk 
installations (or versions) found at build time.) Hence the error 
message about Tk version mismatch.

If you are affected by both of these bugs, Tkinter will not work whether 
or not you install Tcl 8.5 in /Library/Frameworks.

I believe the setup.py script ought to be corrected (as per the post 
cited in msg74544). I do not know of an easy fix for existing Python 
installations that are affected by this, other than rebuilding Python.

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