[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

I don't think that it's worth it to backport these changes, so I close the 
issue.

Again, to avoid reintroducing such terms, I proposed 
https://github.com/python/devguide/issues/605 to define some general guidelines 
on the terminology.

Thanks for reviews.

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:


New changeset fbf43f051e7bf479709e122efa4b6edd4b09d4df by Victor Stinner in 
branch 'master':
bpo-41521: Rename blacklist parameter to not_exported (GH-21824)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/fbf43f051e7bf479709e122efa4b6edd4b09d4df


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

> That said, I concur with Serhiy that there should be a discussion before 
> making a unilateral and stealthy change to the rules about how people are 
> allowed to write technical prose.

I suggest you to join the discussion there:
https://github.com/python/devguide/issues/605

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[Raymond Hettinger]

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> I would prefer avoiding python-dev, since there are many 
> trolls there who like to argue but not try to fix problem.

It's not a good precedent to define as trolls anyone who might legitimately 
disagree, nor is it a good precedent to bypass discussion entirely. IMO, 
Serhiy's request was reasonable and shouldn't be dismissed.

For this particular change, I'm +1 because it represents an industrywide 
terminology shift, because it makes a proactive effort to be responsive to 
cultural problems, and because the change doesn't impair clarity.  

That said, I concur with Serhiy that there should be a discussion before making 
a unilateral and stealthy change to the rules about how people are allowed to 
write technical prose.

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:


New changeset 20ae565bd2d79425d5567c001ed8f89848d7d907 by Victor Stinner in 
branch 'master':
bpo-41521: Replace denylist with blocklist is http.cookiejar doc (GH-21826)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/20ae565bd2d79425d5567c001ed8f89848d7d907


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

Serhiy:
> Should not such changes be widely discussed on the Python-Dev mailing list 
> before merging?

I would prefer avoiding python-dev, since there are many trolls there who like 
to argue but not try to fix problem. See the recent discussion about the PEP 8 
commit message for example.

I opened https://github.com/python/devguide/issues/605 to define general 
guidelines about terminology.

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[Łukasz Langa]

Łukasz Langa  added the comment:


New changeset 0e95bbf08571e98f4b688524efc2dcf20d315d91 by Victor Stinner in 
branch 'master':
bpo-41521, typing: Rename _PROTO_WHITELIST to _PROTO_ALLOWLIST (#21825)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/0e95bbf08571e98f4b688524efc2dcf20d315d91


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[Serhiy Storchaka]

Serhiy Storchaka  added the comment:

Should not such changes be widely discussed on the Python-Dev mailing list 
before merging?

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

Another rationale from "Inclusive Chromium code":

Terms such as “blacklist” and “whitelist” reinforce the notion that black==bad 
and white==good. That Word Black, by Langston Hughes illustrates this problem 
in a lighthearted, if somewhat pointed way. These terms can usually be replaced 
by “blocklist” and “allowlist” without changing their meanings, but particular 
instances may need other replacements.

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/styleguide/inclusive_code.md

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

"While the etymology of the words isn't steeped in racial undertones or history 
like other problematic tech word choices, there is no harm in changing them to 
synonyms that as just as understandable and avoid the question entirely"

https://web.archive.org/web/20180921225759/https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/13604#issuecomment-419884422

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:


New changeset 0ee0b2938cb606151d8d287472c838044bad4a0e by Victor Stinner in 
branch 'master':
bpo-41521: Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist (GH-21823)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/0ee0b2938cb606151d8d287472c838044bad4a0e


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[miss-islington]

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New changeset fabd7bb8e0450f16ed5c5c0ad575aa413d65712d by Victor Stinner in 
branch 'master':
bpo-41521: Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist (GH-21822)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/fabd7bb8e0450f16ed5c5c0ad575aa413d65712d


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[Christian Heimes]

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+1

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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue41521] Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist

[STINNER Victor]

New submission from STINNER Victor :

I propose to replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist. The terms 
whitelist and blacklist can be associated to color skins which isn't the 
intent. To avoid confusion, I propose to use neutral terms: allowlist and 
denylist. Moreover, as a french person (english is not my first language, but 
french), "allow" and "deny" are even more explicit to me than "white "and 
"black".

The intent is to make the Python community more welcoming and more diverse by 
avoiding to make some people uncomfortable.

Many other projects already replaced whitelist/blacklist with 
allowlist/denylist:

* GitLab: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/7554
* React: 
https://github.com/facebook/react/commit/8a8d973d3cc5623676a84f87af66ef9259c3937c
* Mediawiki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254646
* GitHub: 
https://thenextweb.com/dd/2020/06/15/github-plans-to-replace-racially-insensitive-terms-like-master-and-whitelist/
* Google Chrome: 
https://9to5google.com/2020/06/12/google-android-chrome-blacklist-blocklist-more-inclusive/
* etc.

See also:

* Carolyn Stransky's "Humanizing Your Documentation" presentation:
https://speakerdeck.com/carolstran/humanizing-your-documentation-full-talk
* bpo-34605: "Avoid master/slave terminology"

Attached PRs replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist.

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title: Replace whitelist/blacklist with allowlist/denylist
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