[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default

[Alex Waygood]

Alex Waygood  added the comment:

As a longtime Windows user, I also generally expect ctrl+Y to redo an action in 
most programs, FWIW.

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[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default

[primexx]

primexx  added the comment:

> I wish it were otherwise, but configuration defaults cannot be changed as 
> some people would not like it and it would badly interact with custom 
> configurations.

that is a good point. perhaps just adding alternate keysets. this is clearly 
not a high priority issue since it can be changed manually.

> Do you have any documentation for you claims?

for redo: 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/keyboard-shortcuts-in-windows-dcc61a57-8ff0-cffe-9796-cb9706c75eec

shift + tab does a lot of different things depending on context (e.g. the link 
above, and there are 3 documented behaviour in word alone 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/keyboard-shortcuts-in-word-95ef89dd-7142-4b50-afb2-f762f663ceb2).
 however, i just tried and it does de-indent in word 365 with just a simple 
text selection (i.e. plain paragraph, not inside tables, etc.). also tried the 
same thing in google docs and it also de-indents text selection. i think you 
could be correct that  this is not actually windows specific, it does seem to 
be fairly common behaviour in the context of text editors anyway.

> Ctrl+y is *not* recognized in Notepad.

yeah notepad is all sorts of messed up. it does not have the usual ctrl+z 
behaviour either.

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[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

I wish it were otherwise, but configuration defaults cannot be changed as some 
people would not like it and it would badly interact with custom 
configurations.  We can add new themes and keysets, but that should be very 
rare.  We can consider adding bindings, though clashes with customizations are 
possible.

Do you have any documentation for you claims?  My impression is that Microsoft 
occasionally makes UI changes, so that 'Microsoft Standard' is a bit of a joke. 
 Maybe keys are an exception.

Ctrl+y is *not* recognized in Notepad.  ctrl+shift+z acts the same as ctrl_z.  
Notepad++ recognizes both and lists both for Dedent in its
Scintilla mapper.  If it is not in use in the Windows keyset, adding it could 
be considered.

Before the first character on a line, in the absence of a selection, tab and 
backspace indent and dedent.  When there is a selection, tab and ctrl-] indent 
the selections and ctrl-[ dedents.  Shift-tab acts the same as tab.  I believe 
that tk, at least on Windows, does not recognize shift-tab as different from 
tab.  I know that this is true for some named keys, such as Enter.  (This stuff 
needs to be documented.)  Shift-tab works as you (and I) want in Notepad++, so 
this is not a Windows issue.

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stage:  -> needs patch
type:  -> enhancement
versions:  -Python 3.10, Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9

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[issue46665] IDLE Windows shortcuts by default

[primexx]

New submission from primexx :

In IDLE on Windows, there are certain keyboard shortcut idiosycracies in the 
default configuration. 

For example,

redo is ctrl+shift+z (standard elsewhere) rather than ctrl+y (Microsoft's 
standard)

de-indenting is ctrl+[ rather than shift+tab (also affects multi-line selected 
behaviour)

Request: adjust the defaults based on OS platform and use windows style by 
default on windows

If this is a dupe I apologize. I tried to search for an existing issue but 
wasn't able to find any with the keywords i can think of

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assignee: terry.reedy
components: IDLE
messages: 412671
nosy: primexx, terry.reedy
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: IDLE Windows shortcuts by default
versions: Python 3.10, Python 3.11, Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9

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