[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Todd Rovito]

Todd Rovito added the comment:

Roger,
   Yes I will add another issue covering the enhancement.

Ned,
   Thanks for the review.  I forgot to mention it but I too tested on the Mac 
:-).

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily added the comment:

With the patch applied, I verified that the launch behavior of OS X IDLE.app is 
unchanged as expected.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy added the comment:

Will do, Terry! :-)

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

If at least three of you are in agreement, great. Take my comment as a general 
one for other issues, when applicable ;-).

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy added the comment:

Terry, I read over the revision in r71126 and it looked like the behavior 
change was an unintended consequence of applying an ephemeral ports patch. That 
and Todd's reasoning of the correct behavior being inferrable from the 
configuration dialog convinced me that original behavior described by Guilherme 
was the correct behavior.

Changing those options ought to be a separate enhancment issue.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

If we are not sure of the 'right' behavior in cases like this, we can ask for 
opinions on idle-dev. That is at least part of its purpose. Does anyone there 
use any of the options?

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy added the comment:

Thanks Todd for the review! If you have time, could you open a new issue to 
deal with the enhancements discussed here?

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roundup Robot]

Roundup Robot added the comment:

New changeset 240c83902fca by Roger Serwy in branch '2.7':
#6698: IDLE now opens just an editor window when configured to do so.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/240c83902fca

New changeset 174caf4c901a by Roger Serwy in branch '3.3':
#6698: IDLE now opens just an editor window when configured to do so.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/174caf4c901a

New changeset ee5806d231db by Roger Serwy in branch 'default':
#6698: merge with 3.3.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/ee5806d231db

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Todd Rovito]

Todd Rovito added the comment:

Roger,
  I reviewed and tested the patch, it does seem to fix the "bug".  Now when the 
on startup configure option is selected IDLE will behave as expected.  I think 
this makes sense to fix the bug even though it is not documented we can infer 
the behavior based on the configuration dialog box.  Tal's suggestion makes 
sense but this is for sure an enhancement.  Please feel free to push the patch 
at your earliest convenience.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy added the comment:

We can fix the "bug" as-is and then open a separate enhancement issue for Tal's 
suggestions. I place bug in quotes because the correct behavior is not 
documented.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

When I click r71126 it is mapped to bc084a97318b for #1529142
KBK msg85379 says "The -e option now only opens an editor window,"

I think I agree with Tal's suggestion as long as thing still work ok on Mac. It 
is trivial to open a new empty window from the shell.

I have not looked at the current patch yet.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy  added the comment:

Attached is a patch to correct the existing bug as-is. 

Should the behavior of IDLE be changed as Tal suggests?

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Ronald Oussoren]

Ronald Oussoren  added the comment:

The current behaviour on OSX for IDLE.app is to always open a shell window, and 
open edit windows for any files that should be opened during launch.

IDLE.app does not open an empty edit window, and I agree that this is sane 
behaviour.

One other thing that might be interesting to know: IDLE.app is already set up 
to open just a single instance of IDLE when users open python files from the 
Finder.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Tal Einat]

Tal Einat  added the comment:

My question is, when IDLE is run without arguments (as is the case for 
IDLE.app), what is the benefit opening an empty editor window as opposed to a 
shell window?

In both cases if you just want to edit a file you must open it via the menus 
(e.g. File->Open or File->Recent Files), and an unused window is left open. On 
the other hand, if you do want a shell, having an empty editor window is 
useless. Therefore I think in this case it is always better to open a shell 
window.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily  added the comment:

Keep in mind that, on OS X, there are two ways to invoke IDLE: one, by command 
line in a terminal window, and, two, by launching IDLE.app (explicitly, say by 
double-clicking on the app icon, or implictily, say by double-clicking on a .py 
file where IDLE.app is the default application for that file type).  With 
IDLE.app there is no opportunity for the user to specify command line options.  
I suspect that on OS X IDLE.app is used far more frequently than the command 
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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Tal Einat]

Tal Einat  added the comment:

After looking through the code and experimenting a bit, I propose the following:

The "editor-on-startup" config option should be removed. Running IDLE without 
arguments should open a shell. If IDLE is asked to open any files for editing, 
it should open just editor windows. IDLE should open both a shell window and 
one or more editor windows only when explicitly asked to do so on the command 
line.

If this is done, the -e option ("open an editor") would tell IDLE to open an 
empty editor window if no files are asked to be opened for editing. If no other 
arguments are given, IDLE will open just an editor window (no shell window). 
The -i option ("open a shell") would tell IDLE to open a shell window even if 
asked to open files for editing.

I think this is more obvious and easier to work with. It will also make the 
command line argument processing code simpler. And as a bonus we remove a 
config option :)

Thoughts? Comments? If there is agreements I will work up a patch.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Tal Einat]

Tal Einat  added the comment:

I agree on this. Unfortunately that change in r71126 wasn't commented on or 
documented in any way.

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[issue6698] IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so

[Guilherme Polo]

New submission from Guilherme Polo :

If someone configure IDLE to start a edit window by default, I believe
it should open only an edit window without starting shell window. This
has been the behaviour in previous version, but it is acting different now.

I looked into r71126 and I think this behaviour was changed there
unintentionally. Its log message doesn't seem to mention this change,
that is why I'm thinking this.

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title: IDLE no longer opens only an edit window when configured to do so
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