Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-03-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 2 March 2016 at 05:44, R. David Murray  wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:00:21 +, Brett Cannon  wrote:
>> Now obviously I could be totally wrong and this isn't an actual barrier for
>> getting women or ethnic minorities to participate in Python's development.
>
> Yeah, there's no way to know, as far as I can see.  But I think our
> *being* welcoming is way, *way* more important than our *saying* we are
> welcoming.

Words that weren't backed up by behaviour would be false advertising,
and hence far more problematic than silence or an explicit statement
that an environment is deliberately adversarial.

However, it also isn't reasonable for open source projects to expect
potential contributors to invest weeks or months in assessing their
likely treatment if they speak up on a mailing list or submit a new
patch - it turns out that having the kind of spare time needed to
speculatively invest in following a community for long enough to make
that kind of judgement for ourselves is a rare luxury.

That's where written behavioural commitments can help - as long as
they accurately reflect the way that community members actually strive
to conduct themselves, than it helps newcomers better assess "Am I
likely to feel comfortable here?".

Regards,
Nick.

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Re: [python-committers] Call For Participants For The 2016 Python Language Summit

2016-03-02 Thread Eric Snow
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Larry Hastings  wrote:
> It's that time once again: time to start planning for the 2016 Python
> Language Summit!  This year the summit will be at the Oregon Convention
> Center in Portland, Oregon, USA, on May 28th.

Thanks for chairing this again!

>  Sadly, again this year Michael Foord won't be in attendance.

:(

> Second: we're using a Google Form to collect signups.  This one form lets
> you request an invitation to the summit, and also optionally propose a talk.

In case folks are taking requests, I'd love to hear about:

* status report on core workflow improvements
* how typing has been received and what's next (e.g. more integration
into the compiler, multiple dispatch)
* Python in the embedded/-ish space (e.g. MicroPython, BBC MicroBit,
RaspberryPi, android, iOS, ARM)
* status of alternate implementations and tool chains:
  - pyjion
  - pyston
  - pypy
  - jython
  - ironpython
  - cython
  - numba
  - others?

FWIW, I've offered to present the following (as a last resort ):

* about C OrderedDict
* about my Multi-core Python project
* the successor to PEP 406 ("Improved Encapsulation of Import State")

-eric
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Re: [python-committers] Call For Participants For The 2016 Python Language Summit

2016-03-02 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 at 08:27 Eric Snow  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Larry Hastings  wrote:
> > It's that time once again: time to start planning for the 2016 Python
> > Language Summit!  This year the summit will be at the Oregon Convention
> > Center in Portland, Oregon, USA, on May 28th.
>
> Thanks for chairing this again!
>
> >  Sadly, again this year Michael Foord won't be in attendance.
>
> :(
>
> > Second: we're using a Google Form to collect signups.  This one form lets
> > you request an invitation to the summit, and also optionally propose a
> talk.
>
> In case folks are taking requests, I'd love to hear about:
>
> * status report on core workflow improvements
> * how typing has been received and what's next (e.g. more integration
> into the compiler, multiple dispatch)
> * Python in the embedded/-ish space (e.g. MicroPython, BBC MicroBit,
> RaspberryPi, android, iOS, ARM)
> * status of alternate implementations and tool chains:
>   - pyjion
>   - pyston
>   - pypy
>   - jython
>   - ironpython
>   - cython
>   - numba
>   - others?
>

I've put in for a 20 minute slot request for Pyjion to give the team a mini
version of our actual Python talk to find out if we even have a chance of
getting the C API changes we want merged in. I have no issue talking about
the GitHub transition or about my push for the CoC applying everywhere, but
I'm not sure if (B|L)arry want to give me so many talk slots (I suspect the
CoC bit can be a lightning talk).

-Brett


>
> FWIW, I've offered to present the following (as a last resort ):
>
> * about C OrderedDict
> * about my Multi-core Python project
> * the successor to PEP 406 ("Improved Encapsulation of Import State")
>
> -eric
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Re: [python-committers] Call For Participants For The 2016 Python Language Summit

2016-03-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 2 March 2016 at 11:01, Larry Hastings  wrote:
> It's that time once again: time to start planning for the 2016 Python
> Language Summit!

Huzzah, thanks for organising this again!

I've forwarded the email to a few folks to suggest they submit
presentation proposals, but I also have a question for everyone else:
would folks be interested in a summary of the SSL/TLS handling
developments over the past couple of years and open issues (aka
"things that are still hard that we would prefer were simpler") we
could potentially help with in core dev?

I don't think there's anything in particular pending that can't be
handled just via the mailing lists and issue tracker, so this would be
more a question of whether or not folks that haven't been following it
closely would like to learn more about the *why* of it all. (Or,
equivalently, "What do we know about network security management now
that we didn't know back when the ssl module was added to Python
2.6?")

Cheers,
Nick.

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