Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > place. > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > just accept the typed signature. > > I was asked to sign a legal document I cared about that way once and I > refused. > > At least there's a way to upload a real signature. > > --David You mean like OpenStack who also uses this? And Opscode, Eucalyptus, and others? ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:29:23 -0500, Jesse Noller wrote: > On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > > I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > > place. > > > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > > just accept the typed signature. > > > > I was asked to sign a legal document I cared about that way once and I > > refused. > > > > At least there's a way to upload a real signature. > > > > --David > > You mean like OpenStack who also uses this? And Opscode, Eucalyptus, and > others? Sure, it's fine to be using it, if the legal community for some reason wants it. And very I'm grateful that the system was put in place. But I won't change my opinion that it is authentication theater, and the existence of that theater component makes me sad. And apparently I can be sad not just for us, but for those other organizations that indeed I was not aware were using it. --David ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > > > On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > > I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > > place. > > > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > > just accept the typed signature. > > > > I was asked to sign a legal document I cared about that way once and I > > refused. > > > > At least there's a way to upload a real signature. > > > > --David > You mean like OpenStack who also uses this? And Opscode, Eucalyptus, and > others? See also: Google's: https://developers.google.com/open-source/cla/individual So, multiple corporations who pay their lawyers a *lot* more than we pay ours, backing large open source projects have moved to authentication theater. I'm pretty happy we have the option now, since not offering electronic CLAs has been a complaint for the past 5+ years. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
> I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > place. > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > just accept the typed signature. I don't know what this is talking about. Is there an announcement somewhere I missed? Or has the PSF declared announcements to be old-fashionable and despicable? Regards Antoine. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > > place. > > > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > > just accept the typed signature. > > > > I don't know what this is talking about. Is there an announcement somewhere I > missed? Or has the PSF declared announcements to be old-fashionable and > despicable? > > Regards > > Antoine. Brian Curtin was rolling out the announcement(s) - the blog post went live automatically before he could wake up in chicago time and send out the email announcements: http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/03/introducing-electronic-contributor.html So no, no one being evil (but you can assume that). Auto-post times in blogger just beating people. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
Great news to finally have this available! On Mar 4, 2013 7:30 AM, "Jesse Noller" wrote: > > > On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > > I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in > > place. > > > > However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than > > "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look > > more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that > > a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be > > useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, > > just accept the typed signature. > > > > I was asked to sign a legal document I cared about that way once and I > refused. > > > > At least there's a way to upload a real signature. > > > > --David > You mean like OpenStack who also uses this? And Opscode, Eucalyptus, and > others? > > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
My apologies for sounding a sour note, by the way, I think I was unduly influenced by my previous (very poor, from a UI perspective) experience with a system like this, and had a knee-jerk reaction. I think it is great that this system has been put in place, and my thanks to all involved. --David ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
> My apologies for sounding a sour note, by the way, I think I was unduly > influenced by my previous (very poor, from a UI perspective) experience > with a system like this, and had a knee-jerk reaction. > > I think it is great that this system has been put in place, and my > thanks to all involved. It is certainly great indeed (I say that without having seen the UI, though). Regards Antoine. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > My apologies for sounding a sour note, by the way, I think I was unduly > > influenced by my previous (very poor, from a UI perspective) experience > > with a system like this, and had a knee-jerk reaction. > > > > I think it is great that this system has been put in place, and my > > thanks to all involved. > > > > It is certainly great indeed (I say that without having seen the UI, > though). > > Regards > > Antoine. it's an iframe and some javascript wizardry widgeting. Nothing to write home to mom about. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:58:57 -0500, Jesse Noller wrote: > On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > My apologies for sounding a sour note, by the way, I think I was unduly > > > influenced by my previous (very poor, from a UI perspective) experience > > > with a system like this, and had a knee-jerk reaction. > > > > > > I think it is great that this system has been put in place, and my > > > thanks to all involved. > > > > It is certainly great indeed (I say that without having seen the UI, > > though). > > it's an iframe and some javascript wizardry widgeting. Nothing to write home > to mom about. It can probably stand some tweaks(*), but it is *much* better than the one I encountered before. --David (*) Not sure where to report this, so: I was confused by the fact that I'd filled in the blanks, but clicking on the 'esign' button did nothing except post a message that I needed to fill in all the required fields...which I had already done. Turns out I needed to scroll the sub-window down in order to see the additional button to click for signing the document. The confusion could be cleared up by either having the entire document show without scrolling, or by changing the final button label from 'esign' to 'submit' (or doing both). ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> I applaud the foundation for getting an electronic signature method in >> place. >> >> However, I have to say that to my mind echosign is nothing more than >> "authentication theater", and I wonder if it is going to make us look >> more than a bit clueless to the tech community. I'm surprised that >> a lawyer would consider a "signature" generated from typed text to be >> useful for anything. If you are are going to accept the typed signature, >> just accept the typed signature. > > I don't know what this is talking about. Is there an announcement somewhere I > missed? Or has the PSF declared announcements to be old-fashionable and > despicable? Sorry I didn't send the email at the exact same time as the blog posts that I had scheduled. You'll find out what we're talking about in some form or fashion at some point today. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
Re: [python-committers] echosign
On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 11:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:58:57 -0500, Jesse Noller (mailto:jnol...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > On Monday, March 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > > > My apologies for sounding a sour note, by the way, I think I was unduly > > > > influenced by my previous (very poor, from a UI perspective) experience > > > > with a system like this, and had a knee-jerk reaction. > > > > > > > > I think it is great that this system has been put in place, and my > > > > thanks to all involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is certainly great indeed (I say that without having seen the UI, > > > though). > > > > > > > > it's an iframe and some javascript wizardry widgeting. Nothing to write > > home to mom about. > > It can probably stand some tweaks(*), but it is *much* better than the > one I encountered before. > > --David > > (*) Not sure where to report this, so: I was confused by the fact > that I'd filled in the blanks, but clicking on the 'esign' button did > nothing except post a message that I needed to fill in all the required > fields...which I had already done. Turns out I needed to scroll the > sub-window down in order to see the additional button to click for signing > the document. The confusion could be cleared up by either having the > entire document show without scrolling, or by changing the final button > label from 'esign' to 'submit' (or doing both). reported :) ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
