Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: PEP 460: add .format_map()

2014-01-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 10 January 2014 07:41, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
 I'm not sure how format_map helps in porting from 2 to 3, since it
 doesn't exist in any version of 2.

 Although that said, it's no doubt a useful feature, just not useful in
 code that supports both 2 and 3 with a single code base or when porting
 to 3.

It's purely a matter of consistency with str - if we're adding binary
interpolation back to Python 3 (which I have been persuaded is a good
idea), then we should provide the same three typical spellings of the
operation that str provides.

Cheers,
Nick.


 Eric.

 On 1/9/2014 4:02 PM, antoine.pitrou wrote:
 http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/8947cdc6b22e
 changeset:   5341:8947cdc6b22e
 user:Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
 date:Thu Jan 09 22:02:01 2014 +0100
 summary:
   PEP 460: add .format_map()

 files:
   pep-0460.txt |  6 +-
   1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)


 diff --git a/pep-0460.txt b/pep-0460.txt
 --- a/pep-0460.txt
 +++ b/pep-0460.txt
 @@ -24,12 +24,16 @@
similar in syntax to ``str.format()`` (accepting positional as well as
keyword arguments).

 +* ``bytes.format_map(...)`` and ``bytearray.format_map(...)`` for an
 +  API similar to ``str.format_map(...)``, with the same formatting
 +  syntax and semantics as ``bytes.format()`` and ``bytearray.format()``.
 +

  Rationale
  =

  In Python 2, ``str % args`` and ``str.format(args)`` allow the formatting
 -and interpolation of bytes strings.  This feature has commonly been used
 +and interpolation of bytestrings.  This feature has commonly been used
  for the assembling of protocol messages when protocols are known to use
  a fixed encoding.




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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: PEP 460: add .format_map()

2014-01-10 Thread Eric V. Smith
On 1/10/2014 10:20 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
 On 10 January 2014 07:41, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
 I'm not sure how format_map helps in porting from 2 to 3, since it
 doesn't exist in any version of 2.

 Although that said, it's no doubt a useful feature, just not useful in
 code that supports both 2 and 3 with a single code base or when porting
 to 3.
 
 It's purely a matter of consistency with str - if we're adding binary
 interpolation back to Python 3 (which I have been persuaded is a good
 idea), then we should provide the same three typical spellings of the
 operation that str provides.
 
 Cheers,
 Nick.

I'm perfectly okay with that, and it was on my list of things to
suggest. I just think that the PEP should be focused on porting code
from 2 to 3 and on code that runs on both 2 and 3. I think the Rationale
should state this clearly.

Eric.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: PEP 460: add .format_map()

2014-01-09 Thread Eric V. Smith
I'm not sure how format_map helps in porting from 2 to 3, since it
doesn't exist in any version of 2.

Although that said, it's no doubt a useful feature, just not useful in
code that supports both 2 and 3 with a single code base or when porting
to 3.

Eric.

On 1/9/2014 4:02 PM, antoine.pitrou wrote:
 http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/8947cdc6b22e
 changeset:   5341:8947cdc6b22e
 user:Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
 date:Thu Jan 09 22:02:01 2014 +0100
 summary:
   PEP 460: add .format_map()
 
 files:
   pep-0460.txt |  6 +-
   1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
 
 
 diff --git a/pep-0460.txt b/pep-0460.txt
 --- a/pep-0460.txt
 +++ b/pep-0460.txt
 @@ -24,12 +24,16 @@
similar in syntax to ``str.format()`` (accepting positional as well as
keyword arguments).
  
 +* ``bytes.format_map(...)`` and ``bytearray.format_map(...)`` for an
 +  API similar to ``str.format_map(...)``, with the same formatting
 +  syntax and semantics as ``bytes.format()`` and ``bytearray.format()``.
 +
  
  Rationale
  =
  
  In Python 2, ``str % args`` and ``str.format(args)`` allow the formatting
 -and interpolation of bytes strings.  This feature has commonly been used
 +and interpolation of bytestrings.  This feature has commonly been used
  for the assembling of protocol messages when protocols are known to use
  a fixed encoding.
  
 
 
 
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