Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
Fixed. Thanks to infra team. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue638 INADA Naoki On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > When I go to http://bugs.python.org/ Firefox warns me that the form on > the left to login (user, password) sends data in clear text (HTTP). > > Ok, I switch manually to HTTPS: add "s" in "http://"; of the URL. > > I log in. > > I go to an issue using HTTPS like https://bugs.python.org/issue31250 > > I modify an issue using the form and click on [Submit Changes] (or > just press Enter): I'm back to HTTP. Truncated URL: > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... > > Hum, again I switch manually to HTTPS by modifying the URL: > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... > > I click on the "clear this message" link: oops, I'm back to the HTTP world... > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31250 > > So, would it be possible to enforce HTTPS on the bug tracker? > > The best would be to always generate HTTPS urls and *maybe* redirect > HTTP to HTTPS. > > Sorry, I don't know what are the best practices. For example, should > we use HTTPS only cookies? > > Victor > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/songofacandy%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 02:55:40PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 9/1/2017 11:31 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > >On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou > > wrote: > >>On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 > >>Victor Stinner wrote: > >>> > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > plugin for Firefox. > >>> > >>>Try for example this page: > >>> > >>>https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created > >>> > >>>For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: > >>> > >>>http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 > >> > >>Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version > >>nevertheless. > > > >It doesn't for me. :-( FFox 55.0.1, HTTPS Everywhere 2017.8.15. > > Is fetches https: for me: 55.0.3, 2017.8.31, updated yesterday. I upgraded Fox and the extension. http://bugs.python.org now is redirected to https:// Thanks! > >>Regards > >> > >>Antoine. > > > >Oleg. > -- > Terry Jan Reedy Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmanhttp://phdru.name/p...@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On 9/1/2017 11:31 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 Victor Stinner wrote: And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" plugin for Firefox. Try for example this page: https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version nevertheless. It doesn't for me. :-( FFox 55.0.1, HTTPS Everywhere 2017.8.15. Is fetches https: for me: 55.0.3, 2017.8.31, updated yesterday. Regards Antoine. Oleg. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 07:06:57PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:31:00 +0200 > Oleg Broytman wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 > > > Victor Stinner wrote: > > > > > > > > > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > > > > > plugin for Firefox. > > > > > > > > Try for example this page: > > > > > > > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created > > > > > > > > For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: > > > > > > > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 > > > > > > Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version > > > nevertheless. > > > >It doesn't for me. :-( FFox 55.0.1, HTTPS Everywhere 2017.8.15. > > That's surprising. It's definitely part of the standard rules (enabled > by default): > https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/atlas/domains/python.org.html > > Perhaps you tweaked your configuration? Not for HTTPS Everywhere. > Regards > > Antoine. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmanhttp://phdru.name/p...@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
2017-09-01 19:06 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > That's surprising. It's definitely part of the standard rules (enabled > by default): > https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/atlas/domains/python.org.html Maybe the plugin is also broken, as my setup. Maybe it's related to the recent "multiprocess" major change of Firefox? Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:31:00 +0200 Oleg Broytman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 > > Victor Stinner wrote: > > > > > > > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > > > > plugin for Firefox. > > > > > > Try for example this page: > > > > > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created > > > > > > For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: > > > > > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 > > > > Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version > > nevertheless. > >It doesn't for me. :-( FFox 55.0.1, HTTPS Everywhere 2017.8.15. That's surprising. It's definitely part of the standard rules (enabled by default): https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/atlas/domains/python.org.html Perhaps you tweaked your configuration? Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
You're right. It should be bpo configuration issue. https://hg.python.org/tracker/roundup/file/bugs.python.org/roundup/cgi/client.py#l303 https://hg.python.org/tracker/python-dev/file/tip/config.ini.template#l118 I can't real config file used for bpo. But maybe, tracker.web is 'http://bugs.python.org/' instead of 'https://bugs.python.org/' INADA Naoki On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 > INADA Naoki wrote: >> FYI, there is issue report for it. >> http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 >> INADA Naoki > > That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing > internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, > even without switching off HTTP access. > > Regards > > Antoine. > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/songofacandy%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 05:27:59PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 > Victor Stinner wrote: > > > > > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > > > plugin for Firefox. > > > > Try for example this page: > > > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created > > > > For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: > > > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 > > Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version > nevertheless. It doesn't for me. :-( FFox 55.0.1, HTTPS Everywhere 2017.8.15. > Regards > > Antoine. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmanhttp://phdru.name/p...@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:03:59 +0200 Victor Stinner wrote: > > > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > > plugin for Firefox. > > Try for example this page: > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created > > For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 Sure, but if you click on this link, it will go to the HTTPS version nevertheless. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
2017-09-01 16:34 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > I'm using Firefox 55 on Ubuntu 16.04 and it works here. You may be > misunderstading what happens :-) Maybe I misunderstood you when you wrote: > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > plugin for Firefox. Try for example this page: https://bugs.python.org/issue31234?@ok_message=msg%20301118%20created For me, the "clear this message" link is HTTP, not HTTPS: http://bugs.python.org/issue31234 Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
Le 01/09/2017 à 16:32, Victor Stinner a écrit : > > In short, it doesn't work :-) I'm using Firefox 55 on Ubuntu 16.04 and it works here. You may be misunderstading what happens :-) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
2017-09-01 15:36 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" > plugin for Firefox. I do have "HTTPS Everywhere" Firefox plugin version 2017.8.31 (so it seems very recent), but it displayed as "obsolete" ("obsolète" in french). I'm using Firefox 55 on Fedora 26. It seems like the plugin has to be updated to use the new WebExtensions API. https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere https://github.com/EFForg/https-everywhere/issues/7389 "No. HTTPS Everywhere has already been migrated to WebExtensions. We're unable to switch HTTPSE on Firefox over to WebExtensions until Tor Browser rebases to FF 52 ESR, as I already stated: #7389 (comment)" "Currently the main blocker to WebExtensions deployment on Firefox is a secure signing mechanism for the self-hosted version. See #9958 (comment)" In short, it doesn't work :-) Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
Here's e.g. Jupyter Notebook w/ letsencrypt in a Makefile: https://github.com/jupyter/docker-stacks/blob/master/examples/make-deploy/letsencrypt.makefile ... https://github.com/jupyter/docker-stacks On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > ## HTTP STS > - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security > - Docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/ > Strict-Transport-Security > > - https://https.cio.gov/hsts/ > > ## letsencrypt > "A free, automated, and open certificate authority." > > - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Encrypt > - Homepage: https://letsencrypt.org/ > - Src: https://github.com/letsencrypt > - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/using.html#getting- > certificates-and-choosing-plugins > - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > using.html#third-party-plugins > > ### ACME Protocol > - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_ > Certificate_Management_Environment > > > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mariatta Wijaya > wrote: > >> I also would like the links from bug tracker emails be in https instead >> of http. >> >> >> >> On Sep 1, 2017 6:31 AM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 >>> INADA Naoki wrote: >>> > FYI, there is issue report for it. >>> > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 >>> > INADA Naoki >>> >>> That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing >>> internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, >>> even without switching off HTTP access. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Antoine. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Python-Dev mailing list >>> Python-Dev@python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >>> Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailma >>> n/options/python-dev/mariatta.wijaya%40gmail.com >>> >> >> ___ >> Python-Dev mailing list >> Python-Dev@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >> Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/wes. >> turner%40gmail.com >> >> > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On 9/1/2017 9:36 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" plugin for Firefox. Firefox has both 'extension' and 'plugin' add-ons. "HTTPS Everywhere" is found under 'extensions'. Works great. On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:29:58 +0200 Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 INADA Naoki wrote: FYI, there is issue report for it. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 INADA Naoki That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, even without switching off HTTP access. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
## HTTP STS - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security - Docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Strict-Transport-Security - https://https.cio.gov/hsts/ ## letsencrypt "A free, automated, and open certificate authority." - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Encrypt - Homepage: https://letsencrypt.org/ - Src: https://github.com/letsencrypt - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/using.html#getting-certificates-and-choosing-plugins - Docs: https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/using.html#third-party-plugins ### ACME Protocol - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Certificate_Management_Environment On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > I also would like the links from bug tracker emails be in https instead of > http. > > > > On Sep 1, 2017 6:31 AM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > >> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 >> INADA Naoki wrote: >> > FYI, there is issue report for it. >> > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 >> > INADA Naoki >> >> That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing >> internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, >> even without switching off HTTP access. >> >> Regards >> >> Antoine. >> >> >> ___ >> Python-Dev mailing list >> Python-Dev@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >> Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/mariatta. >> wijaya%40gmail.com >> > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ > wes.turner%40gmail.com > > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
I also would like the links from bug tracker emails be in https instead of http. On Sep 1, 2017 6:31 AM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 > INADA Naoki wrote: > > FYI, there is issue report for it. > > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 > > INADA Naoki > > That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing > internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, > even without switching off HTTP access. > > Regards > > Antoine. > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ > mariatta.wijaya%40gmail.com > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
And by the way the problem goes away if you use the "HTTPS Everywhere" plugin for Firefox. Regards Antoine. On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:29:58 +0200 Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 > INADA Naoki wrote: > > FYI, there is issue report for it. > > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 > > INADA Naoki > > That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing > internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, > even without switching off HTTP access. > > Regards > > Antoine. > > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 22:15:29 +0900 INADA Naoki wrote: > FYI, there is issue report for it. > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 > INADA Naoki That issue is about making the tracker HTTPS-only, but fixing internal links to point to the HTTPS site would already go a long way, even without switching off HTTP access. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
FYI, there is issue report for it. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue463 INADA Naoki On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > When I go to http://bugs.python.org/ Firefox warns me that the form on > the left to login (user, password) sends data in clear text (HTTP). > > Ok, I switch manually to HTTPS: add "s" in "http://"; of the URL. > > I log in. > > I go to an issue using HTTPS like https://bugs.python.org/issue31250 > > I modify an issue using the form and click on [Submit Changes] (or > just press Enter): I'm back to HTTP. Truncated URL: > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... > > Hum, again I switch manually to HTTPS by modifying the URL: > > https://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... > > I click on the "clear this message" link: oops, I'm back to the HTTP world... > > http://bugs.python.org/issue31250 > > So, would it be possible to enforce HTTPS on the bug tracker? > > The best would be to always generate HTTPS urls and *maybe* redirect > HTTP to HTTPS. > > Sorry, I don't know what are the best practices. For example, should > we use HTTPS only cookies? > > Victor > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/songofacandy%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] HTTPS on bugs.python.org
Hi, When I go to http://bugs.python.org/ Firefox warns me that the form on the left to login (user, password) sends data in clear text (HTTP). Ok, I switch manually to HTTPS: add "s" in "http://"; of the URL. I log in. I go to an issue using HTTPS like https://bugs.python.org/issue31250 I modify an issue using the form and click on [Submit Changes] (or just press Enter): I'm back to HTTP. Truncated URL: http://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... Hum, again I switch manually to HTTPS by modifying the URL: https://bugs.python.org/issue31250?@ok_message=msg%20301099%20created%... I click on the "clear this message" link: oops, I'm back to the HTTP world... http://bugs.python.org/issue31250 So, would it be possible to enforce HTTPS on the bug tracker? The best would be to always generate HTTPS urls and *maybe* redirect HTTP to HTTPS. Sorry, I don't know what are the best practices. For example, should we use HTTPS only cookies? Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com