[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev]

 That's perfect! Thank you for clarifying this.

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 5:09:43 PM GMT+2, Guido van Rossum 
 wrote:  
 
 The LICENSE file at the top is all you need. There is no need to contact 
inidividual contributors. That's the whole point of how Python licensing is set 
up.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:48 AM mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev 
 wrote:

 Is it possible to contact the contributors and have their explicit agreement 
or is the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo already covering this 
scenario?

Thank you,Mihaela
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:22:04 AM GMT+3, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev 
 wrote:  
 
 On 19.08.2019 23:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
>> This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code 
>> *from* CPython.
>>
>> When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write on  
>> contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF 
>> under a Contributor Agreement" (see 
>> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may 
>> signal an intention to return 
>> and insert such words.
>
> The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright 
> notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit 
> copyright notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the 
> contribution notice.
>
> ossaudiodev.c has 3 copyright notices, the last being by PSF in 2002, long 
> before he current Contributor Agreement, and apparently never 
> challenged.  Hence Guido's claim that the module is covered by the general 
> PSF license.
>
The text has "All rights reserved" in all three lines which is _not_ a 
copyright notice but a license grant.
It's those license grants, including PSF's, that are untrue.

Compare with e.g. Tools/msi/bundle/bootstrap/pch.h and Modules/_hashopenssl.c 
in which a copyright notice correctly comes bare and is 
followed by a license grant compatible with PSFLA.

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Ivan
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Brett Cannon]

I've opened https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/15346 to remove the dead 
comment.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Guido van Rossum]

The LICENSE file at the top is all you need. There is no need to contact
inidividual contributors. That's the whole point of how Python licensing is
set up.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:48 AM mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev <
python-dev@python.org> wrote:

> Is it possible to contact the contributors and have their explicit
> agreement or is the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo already
> covering this scenario?
>
> Thank you,
> Mihaela
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:22:04 AM GMT+3, Ivan Pozdeev via
> Python-Dev  wrote:
>
>
> On 19.08.2019 23:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
> >> This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code
> *from* CPython.
> >>
> >> When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write
> on  contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF
> >> under a Contributor Agreement" (see
> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may
> signal an intention to return
> >> and insert such words.
> >
> > The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright
> notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit
> > copyright notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the
> contribution notice.
> >
> > ossaudiodev.c has 3 copyright notices, the last being by PSF in 2002,
> long before he current Contributor Agreement, and apparently never
> > challenged.  Hence Guido's claim that the module is covered by the
> general PSF license.
> >
> The text has "All rights reserved" in all three lines which is _not_ a
> copyright notice but a license grant.
> It's those license grants, including PSF's, that are untrue.
>
> Compare with e.g. Tools/msi/bundle/bootstrap/pch.h and
> Modules/_hashopenssl.c in which a copyright notice correctly comes bare and
> is
> followed by a license grant compatible with PSFLA.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ivan
>
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev]

 Is it possible to contact the contributors and have their explicit agreement 
or is the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo already covering this 
scenario?

Thank you,Mihaela
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:22:04 AM GMT+3, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev 
 wrote:  
 
 On 19.08.2019 23:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
>> This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code 
>> *from* CPython.
>>
>> When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write on  
>> contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF 
>> under a Contributor Agreement" (see 
>> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may 
>> signal an intention to return 
>> and insert such words.
>
> The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright 
> notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit 
> copyright notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the 
> contribution notice.
>
> ossaudiodev.c has 3 copyright notices, the last being by PSF in 2002, long 
> before he current Contributor Agreement, and apparently never 
> challenged.  Hence Guido's claim that the module is covered by the general 
> PSF license.
>
The text has "All rights reserved" in all three lines which is _not_ a 
copyright notice but a license grant.
It's those license grants, including PSF's, that are untrue.

Compare with e.g. Tools/msi/bundle/bootstrap/pch.h and Modules/_hashopenssl.c 
in which a copyright notice correctly comes bare and is 
followed by a license grant compatible with PSFLA.

-- 
Regards,
Ivan
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Jeff Allen]

On 19/08/2019 21:30, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to 
write on  contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF 
under a Contributor Agreement" (see 
https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment 
may signal an intention to return and insert such words.
The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright 
notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit 
copyright notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the 
contribution notice.
Ah, ok. I hadn't read it that way: rather a request to add both. That is 
useful, thanks: occasionally, I have to guide contributors to Jython, 
who sign the same form.


Jeff

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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev]

On 19.08.2019 23:30, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:

This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code *from* 
CPython.

When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write on  contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF 
under a Contributor Agreement" (see https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may signal an intention to return 
and insert such words.


The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit 
copyright notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the contribution notice.


ossaudiodev.c has 3 copyright notices, the last being by PSF in 2002, long before he current Contributor Agreement, and apparently never 
challenged.  Hence Guido's claim that the module is covered by the general PSF license.



The text has "All rights reserved" in all three lines which is _not_ a 
copyright notice but a license grant.
It's those license grants, including PSF's, that are untrue.

Compare with e.g. Tools/msi/bundle/bootstrap/pch.h and Modules/_hashopenssl.c in which a copyright notice correctly comes bare and is 
followed by a license grant compatible with PSFLA.


--
Regards,
Ivan
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Terry Reedy]

On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code 
*from* CPython.


When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write 
on  contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF under a 
Contributor Agreement" (see 
https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may 
signal an intention to return and insert such words.


The form says specifically "adjacent to Contributor's valid copyright 
notice".  *If* the contribution comes with a separate explicit copyright 
notice (most do not), then it should be followed by the contribution notice.


ossaudiodev.c has 3 copyright notices, the last being by PSF in 2002, 
long before he current Contributor Agreement, and apparently never 
challenged.  Hence Guido's claim that the module is covered by the 
general PSF license.


--
Terry Jan Reedy

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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Jeff Allen]

This is undoubtedly the right answer for someone wanting to *use* code 
*from* CPython.


When one signs up to contribute code to the PSF, one is asked to write 
on  contributed software that it has been "Licensed to the PSF under a 
Contributor Agreement" (see 
https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/). The XXX comment may 
signal an intention to return and insert such words.


You cannot find many instances of those words in CPython (and Jython is 
worse). Many of the files pre-date the fomula, most contributions are a 
change to existing code, and adding it later to someone else's work 
doesn't feel right. (The situation is clear for pristene code.) I have 
wondered if it's an issue.


Jeff

Jeff Allen

On 19/08/2019 15:35, Guido van Rossum wrote:

The LICENSE file at the top level of the repo covers everything.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:33 AM mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev 
mailto:python-dev@python.org>> wrote:


Hello,

Could you please let me know what is the license for the file
Modules/ossaudiodev.c ?
Inside the description there is a statement :"XXX need a license
statement" which creates some confusion.
Can we simply disregard that statement as for the other .c files
which do not have such statements?
Please note that we need this information for our OSS clearance
report.

Thank you,
    Mihaela
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[Python-Dev] Re: Missing license for file Modules/ossaudiodev.c

[Guido van Rossum]

The LICENSE file at the top level of the repo covers everything.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:33 AM mihaela olteanu via Python-Dev <
python-dev@python.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Could you please let me know what is the license for the file 
> Modules/ossaudiodev.c
> ?
> Inside the description there is a statement :"XXX need a license
> statement" which creates some confusion.
> Can we simply disregard that statement as for the other .c files which do
> not have such statements?
> Please note that we need this information for our OSS clearance report.
>
> Thank you,
> Mihaela
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