Re: [Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-10-02 Thread Georg Brandl

On 09/30/2012 10:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:14:37 -0700
Chris Jerdonek chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote:


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 at http://docs.python.org/3.3/whatsnew/news.html, there is now
 a rendering of Misc/NEWS with tracker links and a crude filtering
 capability.  I thought that this will complement the whatsnew
 documents nicely for people looking for more detail.

 Please let me know if it's useful, or what could be done to make
 it *more* useful.

Good idea.  Some suggestions:

* A note at the top explaining what this page is and how it differs
from the other What's New page (including perhaps a link to the other
What's New page).  It might also be good if the two had more
distinctive titles.  They are currently What’s New in Python and
Python News.


Agreed. I think the titles are currently very confusing. The page
you've just added should be called something like Changelog, to
stress its more bare'n'technical natural compared to our official
What's New pages.

Also it would be extra nice if the What's new in Python X.Y section
headers could be renamed to Python X.Y changelog, or similar.


Please have a look again (it's renamed to .../changelog.html); Ezio and I
tried to incorporate all the suggestions.

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-10-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:

 Please have a look again (it's renamed to .../changelog.html); Ezio and I
 tried to incorporate all the suggestions.

Very nice. I tweaked the wording in the 3.3.1 section to be more
explicit that it hasn't been released yet and people should look
further down for the 3.3.0 changes.

Cheers,
Nick.

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Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
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[Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl

Hi,

at http://docs.python.org/3.3/whatsnew/news.html, there is now
a rendering of Misc/NEWS with tracker links and a crude filtering
capability.  I thought that this will complement the whatsnew
documents nicely for people looking for more detail.

Please let me know if it's useful, or what could be done to make
it *more* useful.

cheers,
Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-09-30 Thread Peter Otten
Georg Brandl wrote:

 at http://docs.python.org/3.3/whatsnew/news.html, there is now
 a rendering of Misc/NEWS with tracker links and a crude filtering
 capability.  I thought that this will complement the whatsnew
 documents nicely for people looking for more detail.
 
 Please let me know if it's useful, or what could be done to make
 it *more* useful.

Maybe you could supress those sections that become empty when a filter is 
applied.

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Re: [Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-09-30 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 at http://docs.python.org/3.3/whatsnew/news.html, there is now
 a rendering of Misc/NEWS with tracker links and a crude filtering
 capability.  I thought that this will complement the whatsnew
 documents nicely for people looking for more detail.

 Please let me know if it's useful, or what could be done to make
 it *more* useful.

Good idea.  Some suggestions:

* A note at the top explaining what this page is and how it differs
from the other What's New page (including perhaps a link to the other
What's New page).  It might also be good if the two had more
distinctive titles.  They are currently What’s New in Python and
Python News.

* It would be good if the section links could somehow be
perma-links.  They will currently vary over time, e.g.
  http://docs.python.org/py3k/whatsnew/news.html#id3

* Lastly, I think skimming this list would be more informative to me
at least if each bullet began with the name of the affected module or
area (at least in the case where just one module is affected).  The
issue number is less meaningful as a descriptive header.  Changing
this would likely require changes in how we prepare Misc/NEWS though.

On a separate but related note, I never know where to put the various
subsections in relation to one another in Misc/NEWS (Core and
Builtins, Library, Extension Modules, etc).  It would be good if there
was guidance on that -- even if to say it completely doesn't matter.

--Chris
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Re: [Python-Dev] experimental: Misc/NEWS included in docs

2012-09-30 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Chris Jerdonek chris.jerdo...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
  at http://docs.python.org/3.3/whatsnew/news.html, there is now
  a rendering of Misc/NEWS with tracker links and a crude filtering
  capability.  I thought that this will complement the whatsnew
  documents nicely for people looking for more detail.
 
  Please let me know if it's useful, or what could be done to make
  it *more* useful.

 Good idea.  Some suggestions:

 * A note at the top explaining what this page is and how it differs
 from the other What's New page (including perhaps a link to the other
 What's New page).  It might also be good if the two had more
 distinctive titles.  They are currently What’s New in Python and
 Python News.

 * It would be good if the section links could somehow be
 perma-links.  They will currently vary over time, e.g.
   http://docs.python.org/py3k/whatsnew/news.html#id3

 * Lastly, I think skimming this list would be more informative to me
 at least if each bullet began with the name of the affected module or
 area (at least in the case where just one module is affected).  The
 issue number is less meaningful as a descriptive header.  Changing
 this would likely require changes in how we prepare Misc/NEWS though.

 On a separate but related note, I never know where to put the various
 subsections in relation to one another in Misc/NEWS (Core and
 Builtins, Library, Extension Modules, etc).  It would be good if there
 was guidance on that -- even if to say it completely doesn't matter.


It doesn't matter. When I've done it I have either copied the empty
sections previously or not even bothered with the empty sections and just
let others add as necessary.
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