Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the associated user account administration appropriately. To run a blog on www.python.org, a PEP is not needed. If anybody would volunteer to set this up, it could be done in no time. If I understand correctly, the RFP is more about improving the entire python.org toolchain to make it something that non-programmers can easily provide content for (and even *programmers* don't particularly like the current toolchain). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the associated user account administration appropriately. To run a blog on www.python.org, a PEP is not needed. If anybody would volunteer to set this up, it could be done in no time. If I understand correctly, the RFP is more about improving the entire python.org toolchain to make it something that non-programmers can easily provide content for (and even *programmers* don't particularly like the current toolchain). Cheers, Nick. That is correct. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 16:07, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: Several of the PSF blogs hosted on Google's Blogger platform are experiencing issues as fallout from the recent maintenance problems they had. We have already had to recreate at least one of the translations for Python Insider in order to be able to publish to it, and now we can't edit posts on Python Insider itself. Can anyone put me in contact with someone at Google from the Blogger team? I would at least like to know whether the bX-qpvq7q problem is being worked on, so I can decide whether to take a hiatus or start moving us to another platform. There are a lot of posts about the error on the support forums, but no obvious response from Google. With respect to Google Blogger, I don't see a good reason to use it as the platform for the blog. IMHO it would be much better to go for a less-dependencies approach and just deploy a Wordpress installation, or possibly even something Python-based (if volunteers to maintain it are found. Eli ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 16:07, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: Several of the PSF blogs hosted on Google's Blogger platform are experiencing issues as fallout from the recent maintenance problems they had. We have already had to recreate at least one of the translations for Python Insider in order to be able to publish to it, and now we can't edit posts on Python Insider itself. Can anyone put me in contact with someone at Google from the Blogger team? I would at least like to know whether the bX-qpvq7q problem is being worked on, so I can decide whether to take a hiatus or start moving us to another platform. There are a lot of posts about the error on the support forums, but no obvious response from Google. With respect to Google Blogger, I don't see a good reason to use it as the platform for the blog. As with any infrastructure, there is a reasonably high cost in changing, as people have become used to a certain way of doing things, and porting the contents from the old system to the new one requires additional effort. Blogger has its problems, but it typically gets the job done well enough (modulo cases like the one currently affecting Doug and his team). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
With respect to Google Blogger, I don't see a good reason to use it as the platform for the blog. As with any infrastructure, there is a reasonably high cost in changing, as people have become used to a certain way of doing things, and porting the contents from the old system to the new one requires additional effort. Blogger has its problems, but it typically gets the job done well enough (modulo cases like the one currently affecting Doug and his team). Has the Python insider blog really accumulated enough history and cruft to make this move problematic? It's a fairly new blog, with not much content in it. From my blogging experience, Blogger has other limitations which eventually bite you, and since it's not very flexible you can either live with it or move to a more flexible platform. All of this completely IMHO, of course. Just friendly advice ;-) Eli ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: With respect to Google Blogger, I don't see a good reason to use it as the platform for the blog. As with any infrastructure, there is a reasonably high cost in changing, as people have become used to a certain way of doing things, and porting the contents from the old system to the new one requires additional effort. Blogger has its problems, but it typically gets the job done well enough (modulo cases like the one currently affecting Doug and his team). Has the Python insider blog really accumulated enough history and cruft to make this move problematic? It's a fairly new blog, with not much content in it. From my blogging experience, Blogger has other limitations which eventually bite you, and since it's not very flexible you can either live with it or move to a more flexible platform. All of this completely IMHO, of course. Just friendly advice ;-) Eli There is ongoing work for an RFP by the board to improve the python.org publishing system/site to allow us to self-host these things. Moving PSF properties off of it, and onto another hosted by someone else site is probably not a good idea, but our hands may be forced if google/blogger can not resolve the issues. jesse ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
There is ongoing work for an RFP by the board to improve the python.org publishing system/site to allow us to self-host these things. Moving PSF properties off of it, and onto another hosted by someone else site is probably not a good idea, but our hands may be forced if google/blogger can not resolve the issues. jesse The whole idea of a Wordpress-(or similar)-based solution is self hosting, and less reliance on outside providers like blogger. Wordpress is just a bunch of PHP code you place in a directory on your server and you have a blog. You don't depend on anyone, except your own hosting. Eli ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: Has the Python insider blog really accumulated enough history and cruft to make this move problematic? It's a fairly new blog, with not much content in it. From my blogging experience, Blogger has other limitations which eventually bite you, and since it's not very flexible you can either live with it or move to a more flexible platform. It's not just the Python Insider blog that is affected (and *any* effort directed towards platform changes is effort that isn't going towards writing new articles. Of course, if Blogger don't fix the currrent problems, then that will be a moot point - moving will be necessary to get *anything* done). In general, though, infrastructure changes start from a position of not worth the hassle, just like code changes. It takes a pretty compelling set of features to justify switching, and, while Blogger isn't the best engine out there, it isn't terrible either (especially once you replace their lousy comment system with something that is at least half usable like DISQUS). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: There is ongoing work for an RFP by the board to improve the python.org publishing system/site to allow us to self-host these things. Moving PSF properties off of it, and onto another hosted by someone else site is probably not a good idea, but our hands may be forced if google/blogger can not resolve the issues. jesse The whole idea of a Wordpress-(or similar)-based solution is self hosting, and less reliance on outside providers like blogger. Wordpress is just a bunch of PHP code you place in a directory on your server and you have a blog. You don't depend on anyone, except your own hosting. As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the associated user account administration appropriately. But when it comes to collaborative blogs, it *isn't* just a matter of dropping a blogging engine in and running with it. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/2011 11:35 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: There is ongoing work for an RFP by the board to improve the python.org publishing system/site to allow us to self-host these things. Moving PSF properties off of it, and onto another hosted by someone else site is probably not a good idea, but our hands may be forced if google/blogger can not resolve the issues. jesse The whole idea of a Wordpress-(or similar)-based solution is self hosting, and less reliance on outside providers like blogger. Wordpress is just a bunch of PHP code you place in a directory on your server and you have a blog. You don't depend on anyone, except your own hosting. And your own sysadmins now have to chase fixes for remotely-exploitable WP bugs: http://www.wordpressexploit.com/ Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3WkBQACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ72iwCeIhkCLXm26ujJJ3kqh9vKB4fr dMYAn05qsoyiNxio02UAYJ7luLjVaSML =OFdv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On 20.05.2011 17:35, Eli Bendersky wrote: There is ongoing work for an RFP by the board to improve the python.org publishing system/site to allow us to self-host these things. Moving PSF properties off of it, and onto another hosted by someone else site is probably not a good idea, but our hands may be forced if google/blogger can not resolve the issues. jesse The whole idea of a Wordpress-(or similar)-based solution is self hosting, and less reliance on outside providers like blogger. Wordpress is just a bunch of PHP code you place in a directory on your server That's exactly the problem. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the associated user account administration appropriately. To run a blog on www.python.org, a PEP is not needed. If anybody would volunteer to set this up, it could be done in no time. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
On May 20, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the associated user account administration appropriately. To run a blog on www.python.org, a PEP is not needed. If anybody would volunteer to set this up, it could be done in no time. The blog is working again, so we can continue using the tool chain we have. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Hellmann Communications Director Python Software Foundation http://python.org/psf/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team
Several of the PSF blogs hosted on Google's Blogger platform are experiencing issues as fallout from the recent maintenance problems they had. We have already had to recreate at least one of the translations for Python Insider in order to be able to publish to it, and now we can't edit posts on Python Insider itself. Can anyone put me in contact with someone at Google from the Blogger team? I would at least like to know whether the bX-qpvq7q problem is being worked on, so I can decide whether to take a hiatus or start moving us to another platform. There are a lot of posts about the error on the support forums, but no obvious response from Google. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Hellmann Communications Director Python Software Foundation http://python.org/psf/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
