Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-22 Thread Petr Viktorin 

On 10/18/18 7:44 PM, VanL wrote:
Primarily for non-windows platforms, but I also think for Windows users 
without any compilers or similar tools installed. There is also some 
discussion of removing some of the older toolchain-specific versions 
(leaving only -14), but that is a subject for another day.


Also I am not sure that bug report applies to 3.5/3.6/3.7.


It does.



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:26 AM Petr Viktorin > wrote:


On 10/18/18 4:40 PM, Zachary Ware wrote:
 > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM VanL mailto:van.lindb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >> Hi all,
 >>
 >> I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe
files in the distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are
the executable stubs used to create self-extracting zips for
installation - but I am not 100% sure. It also looks like they
include the calls to standard Windows functions to display the
installer window.
 >>
 >> I have a couple questions I need help with:
 >> 1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?
 >
 > You are correct.  IIUC, they are checked in to allow creating those
 > installers from non-Windows platforms.

Is that the only reason for them?
At least on Linux, bdist_wininst does not work since at least Python
3.2, as it tries to use a Windows-only encoding internally.
https://bugs.python.org/issue10945

If they're only there for non-Windows platforms, they're useless.

 >> 2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?
 >
 > Source can be found here:
 > https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/master/PC/bdist_wininst
 >
 > The individual checked-in .exe files were each originally built by
 > whoever updated the Windows toolchain to a new version of MSVC
 > (Christian Heimes, Brian Curtin, or Steve Dower; though the oldest
 > ones were added by Thomas Heller, presumably using whatever the
 > current toolchain(s) was (were) at the time).  A few of them have
been
 > rebuilt after bug fixes in the source since they were added,
mostly by
 > the same people, though I also see Mark Hammond and Raymond Hettinger
 > in the history (and Georg Brandl via svnmerge).  I notice that there
 > are a few very minor code cleanups (the three latest commits here
 >
https://github.com/python/cpython/commits/master/PC/bdist_wininst/install.c)
 > that have not made it into a rebuilt exe yet.
 >
 > FTR, we really ought to remove all but the 14.0 version from the
 > master branch.  We don't support building Python with any toolchain
 > older than 14.0 anymore, and the older toolchains are nigh impossible
 > to find anymore anyway.


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Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-18 Thread VanL 
Primarily for non-windows platforms, but I also think for Windows users
without any compilers or similar tools installed. There is also some
discussion of removing some of the older toolchain-specific versions
(leaving only -14), but that is a subject for another day.

Also I am not sure that bug report applies to 3.5/3.6/3.7.

Thanks,
Van


On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:26 AM Petr Viktorin  wrote:

> On 10/18/18 4:40 PM, Zachary Ware wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM VanL  wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe files in
> the distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are the executable
> stubs used to create self-extracting zips for installation - but I am not
> 100% sure. It also looks like they include the calls to standard Windows
> functions to display the installer window.
> >>
> >> I have a couple questions I need help with:
> >> 1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?
> >
> > You are correct.  IIUC, they are checked in to allow creating those
> > installers from non-Windows platforms.
>
> Is that the only reason for them?
> At least on Linux, bdist_wininst does not work since at least Python
> 3.2, as it tries to use a Windows-only encoding internally.
> https://bugs.python.org/issue10945
>
> If they're only there for non-Windows platforms, they're useless.
>
> >> 2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?
> >
> > Source can be found here:
> > https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/master/PC/bdist_wininst
> >
> > The individual checked-in .exe files were each originally built by
> > whoever updated the Windows toolchain to a new version of MSVC
> > (Christian Heimes, Brian Curtin, or Steve Dower; though the oldest
> > ones were added by Thomas Heller, presumably using whatever the
> > current toolchain(s) was (were) at the time).  A few of them have been
> > rebuilt after bug fixes in the source since they were added, mostly by
> > the same people, though I also see Mark Hammond and Raymond Hettinger
> > in the history (and Georg Brandl via svnmerge).  I notice that there
> > are a few very minor code cleanups (the three latest commits here
> >
> https://github.com/python/cpython/commits/master/PC/bdist_wininst/install.c
> )
> > that have not made it into a rebuilt exe yet.
> >
> > FTR, we really ought to remove all but the 14.0 version from the
> > master branch.  We don't support building Python with any toolchain
> > older than 14.0 anymore, and the older toolchains are nigh impossible
> > to find anymore anyway.
>
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-18 Thread Petr Viktorin 

On 10/18/18 4:40 PM, Zachary Ware wrote:

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM VanL  wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe files in the 
distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are the executable stubs 
used to create self-extracting zips for installation - but I am not 100% sure. 
It also looks like they include the calls to standard Windows functions to 
display the installer window.

I have a couple questions I need help with:
1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?


You are correct.  IIUC, they are checked in to allow creating those
installers from non-Windows platforms.


Is that the only reason for them?
At least on Linux, bdist_wininst does not work since at least Python 
3.2, as it tries to use a Windows-only encoding internally.

https://bugs.python.org/issue10945

If they're only there for non-Windows platforms, they're useless.


2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?


Source can be found here:
https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/master/PC/bdist_wininst

The individual checked-in .exe files were each originally built by
whoever updated the Windows toolchain to a new version of MSVC
(Christian Heimes, Brian Curtin, or Steve Dower; though the oldest
ones were added by Thomas Heller, presumably using whatever the
current toolchain(s) was (were) at the time).  A few of them have been
rebuilt after bug fixes in the source since they were added, mostly by
the same people, though I also see Mark Hammond and Raymond Hettinger
in the history (and Georg Brandl via svnmerge).  I notice that there
are a few very minor code cleanups (the three latest commits here
https://github.com/python/cpython/commits/master/PC/bdist_wininst/install.c)
that have not made it into a rebuilt exe yet.

FTR, we really ought to remove all but the 14.0 version from the
master branch.  We don't support building Python with any toolchain
older than 14.0 anymore, and the older toolchains are nigh impossible
to find anymore anyway.


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Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-18 Thread VanL 
Thank you all, this gives me what I need. Sorry I missed the source in the
the PC/ directory.

Thanks,
Van

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:41 AM Zachary Ware 
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM VanL  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe files in
> the distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are the executable
> stubs used to create self-extracting zips for installation - but I am not
> 100% sure. It also looks like they include the calls to standard Windows
> functions to display the installer window.
> >
> > I have a couple questions I need help with:
> > 1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?
>
> You are correct.  IIUC, they are checked in to allow creating those
> installers from non-Windows platforms.
>
> > 2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?
>
> Source can be found here:
> https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/master/PC/bdist_wininst
>
> The individual checked-in .exe files were each originally built by
> whoever updated the Windows toolchain to a new version of MSVC
> (Christian Heimes, Brian Curtin, or Steve Dower; though the oldest
> ones were added by Thomas Heller, presumably using whatever the
> current toolchain(s) was (were) at the time).  A few of them have been
> rebuilt after bug fixes in the source since they were added, mostly by
> the same people, though I also see Mark Hammond and Raymond Hettinger
> in the history (and Georg Brandl via svnmerge).  I notice that there
> are a few very minor code cleanups (the three latest commits here
> https://github.com/python/cpython/commits/master/PC/bdist_wininst/install.c
> )
> that have not made it into a rebuilt exe yet.
>
> FTR, we really ought to remove all but the 14.0 version from the
> master branch.  We don't support building Python with any toolchain
> older than 14.0 anymore, and the older toolchains are nigh impossible
> to find anymore anyway.
>
> --
> Zach
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-18 Thread Zachary Ware 
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM VanL  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe files in the 
> distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are the executable stubs 
> used to create self-extracting zips for installation - but I am not 100% 
> sure. It also looks like they include the calls to standard Windows functions 
> to display the installer window.
>
> I have a couple questions I need help with:
> 1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?

You are correct.  IIUC, they are checked in to allow creating those
installers from non-Windows platforms.

> 2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?

Source can be found here:
https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/master/PC/bdist_wininst

The individual checked-in .exe files were each originally built by
whoever updated the Windows toolchain to a new version of MSVC
(Christian Heimes, Brian Curtin, or Steve Dower; though the oldest
ones were added by Thomas Heller, presumably using whatever the
current toolchain(s) was (were) at the time).  A few of them have been
rebuilt after bug fixes in the source since they were added, mostly by
the same people, though I also see Mark Hammond and Raymond Hettinger
in the history (and Georg Brandl via svnmerge).  I notice that there
are a few very minor code cleanups (the three latest commits here
https://github.com/python/cpython/commits/master/PC/bdist_wininst/install.c)
that have not made it into a rebuilt exe yet.

FTR, we really ought to remove all but the 14.0 version from the
master branch.  We don't support building Python with any toolchain
older than 14.0 anymore, and the older toolchains are nigh impossible
to find anymore anyway.

--
Zach
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Re: [Python-Dev] wininst-*.exe files in Lib/distutils/command

2018-10-18 Thread Paul Moore 
They are for the distutils bdist_wininst command (mostly obsolete now,
wheels are the preferred binary distribution format these days). The
source appears to be in PC\bdist_wininst in the CPython repository.

Paul
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 15:10, VanL  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking into an issue associated with the wininst-*.exe files in the 
> distutils/command subdirectory. It looks like these are the executable stubs 
> used to create self-extracting zips for installation - but I am not 100% 
> sure. It also looks like they include the calls to standard Windows functions 
> to display the installer window.
>
> I have a couple questions I need help with:
> 1) Am I correct about the function, and if not, what are they?
> 2) Where did these come from, and where is their source code?
>
> Thanks,
> Van
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