Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] MSI being downloaded 10x more than all other files?!

2006-12-11 Thread Jim Jewett
On 12/8/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> /ftp/python/2.5/python-2.5.msi is by far the top download -- 271,971
> hits, more than 5x the next one, /ftp/python/2.5/Python-2.5.tgz
> (47,898 hits). Are these numbers real?

Why wouldn't it be?

Most computers are running windows.

Most people running some other operating system can get python from
that someplace else -- and have to if they don't want to compile it
themselves.  (But recompiling isn't usually a barrier, as compilers
usually come with the system.)

Most people running windows cannot compile python.  I'm not sure there
even *is* a free way to do it; mingw may well compile additional
extensions, but it can't compile the main python tree.  There have
been recipes for using free MSVC versions, but I'm not sure whether
any work today.

-jJ
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] MSI being downloaded 10x more than all other files?!

2006-12-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 12/11/06, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > /ftp/python/2.5/python-2.5.msi is by far the top download -- 271,971
> > hits, more than 5x the next one, /ftp/python/2.5/Python-2.5.tgz
> > (47,898 hits). Are these numbers real?
>
> Why wouldn't it be?

Just because in the past the ratio of downloads for a particular
version was always about 70% Windows vs. 30% source. Now it seems
closer to 90/10.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] MSI being downloaded 10x more than all other files?!

2006-12-11 Thread glyph
On 11:17 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 12/11/06, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 12/8/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > /ftp/python/2.5/python-2.5.msi is by far the top download -- 271,971
>> > hits, more than 5x the next one, /ftp/python/2.5/Python-2.5.tgz
>> > (47,898 hits). Are these numbers real?
>>
>> Why wouldn't it be?
>
>Just because in the past the ratio of downloads for a particular
>version was always about 70% Windows vs. 30% source. Now it seems
>closer to 90/10.

Personally speaking, since switching to Ubuntu, I've been so happy with the 
speed of releases and the quality of packaged Python that I haven't downloaded 
a source release from python.org in over a year.  If I need packages, they're 
already installed.  If I need source from a release, I 'apt-get source' to 
conveniently install it from a (very fast) ubuntu mirror.  When I need 
something outside the Ubuntu release structure, it's typically an SVN trunk 
checkout, not a release tarball.

I don't know what Ubuntu's impact in the general user community has been, but 
it seems that the vast majority of python developers I interact with on a 
regular basis have switched.  I wouldn't be surprised if this were a major part 
of the impact.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] MSI being downloaded 10x more than all other files?!

2006-12-11 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
"Guido van Rossum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just because in the past the ratio of downloads for a particular
> version was always about 70% Windows vs. 30% source. Now it seems
> closer to 90/10.

Going mainstream :-))

The Rails buzz seems to be jumping to Python lately.

-- 
KBK
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