[Python-Dev] Gsoc 2011 ideas

2011-02-12 Thread yeswanth swami
Hi everyone,
I am planning to apply for Gsoc 2011 for the PSF . I would like to know if
any of you have any ideas which can be implemented this summer. I guess the
gsoc 2011 ideas page has not been put up as yet. So I thought maybe any of
you can suggest some ideas .

Thanks
Yeswanth
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Re: [Python-Dev] Gsoc 2011 ideas

2011-02-12 Thread Arc Riley
Hey Yeswanth

Students who get involved with the projects they plan to work with early
have a definite edge over students who don't, so certainly get involved
now.  While I would highly encourage you to get involved with python-dev
(core projects are top in line), you may also want to consider 3rd party
libraries for Python 3 or to help a Python 2 library port to 3.

Python-dev has a list of bugs.  Pick one and start, submit patches, join IRC
(#python-dev on irc.freenode.net) and see if you can find someone who can
help you get started.


On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 7:44 AM, yeswanth swami wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I am planning to apply for Gsoc 2011 for the PSF . I would like to know if
> any of you have any ideas which can be implemented this summer. I guess the
> gsoc 2011 ideas page has not been put up as yet. So I thought maybe any of
> you can suggest some ideas .
>
> Thanks
> Yeswanth
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Comment out the "make patchcheck" advice, since it doesn't work for a

2011-02-12 Thread Éric Araujo
> antoine.pitrou pushed f22bac464e11 to devguide:
> summary:
>   Comment out the "make patchcheck" advice, since it doesn't work for a
> non-SVN workflow.

patchcheck should work after
http://svn.python.org/view?view=rev&revision=85767 (from
http://bugs.python.org/issue8999).  What specific part of “it” doesn’t work?

Regards
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Comment out the "make patchcheck" advice, since it doesn't work for a

2011-02-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:42:41 +0100
Éric Araujo  wrote:
> > antoine.pitrou pushed f22bac464e11 to devguide:
> > summary:
> >   Comment out the "make patchcheck" advice, since it doesn't work for a
> > non-SVN workflow.
> 
> patchcheck should work after
> http://svn.python.org/view?view=rev&revision=85767 (from
> http://bugs.python.org/issue8999).  What specific part of “it” doesn’t work?

What precisely I explained in
http://bugs.python.org/issue8999#msg108477

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:19:06 +1300
Greg Ewing  wrote:
> Nick Coghlan wrote:
> 
> > Flawed API + popularity = years of fun*
> 
> So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
> and deprecate the old one?

That's called Twisted.


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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Greg Ewing

Nick Coghlan wrote:


Flawed API + popularity = years of fun*


So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
and deprecate the old one?

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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Greg Ewing

Antoine Pitrou wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:19:06 +1300
Greg Ewing  wrote:



So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
and deprecate the old one?


That's called Twisted.


I was thinking of something lighter-weight than that.

--
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread exarkun

On 10:46 pm, greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:

Antoine Pitrou wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:19:06 +1300
Greg Ewing  wrote:



So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
and deprecate the old one?


That's called Twisted.


I was thinking of something lighter-weight than that.


Twisted Core

Jean-Paul
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 February 2011 23:10,   wrote:
> On 10:46 pm, greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>>
>> Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:19:06 +1300
>>> Greg Ewing  wrote:
>>
 So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
 and deprecate the old one?
>>>
>>> That's called Twisted.
>>
>> I was thinking of something lighter-weight than that.
>
> Twisted Core

Is anyone willing to package up Twisted Core for stdlib inclusion, then?
Paul.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread exarkun

On 12:13 am, p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:

On 12 February 2011 23:10,   wrote:

On 10:46 pm, greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:


Antoine Pitrou wrote:


On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:19:06 +1300
Greg Ewing  wrote:



So maybe it's time to design a new module with a better API
and deprecate the old one?


That's called Twisted.


I was thinking of something lighter-weight than that.


Twisted Core


Is anyone willing to package up Twisted Core for stdlib inclusion, 
then?

Paul.


Do people want to seriously consider deprecating asyncore and adding a 
replacement for it to the stdlib?


(Hey, PyCon is coming up.  How convenient. :)

Jean-Paul
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:

> Do people want to seriously consider deprecating asyncore and adding a
> replacement for it to the stdlib?
>

> (Hey, PyCon is coming up.  How convenient. :)
>

The desire is there, but it's a hard problem.  There was a similar
discussion before PyCon 2009, but not much came of it:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/086678.html

-- 
Daniel Stutzbach
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[Python-Dev] PSF Sponsored Sprint in Portland, OR

2011-02-12 Thread Dan Colish
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread exarkun

On 12:34 am, stutzb...@google.com wrote:

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:

Do people want to seriously consider deprecating asyncore and adding a
replacement for it to the stdlib?



(Hey, PyCon is coming up.  How convenient. :)


The desire is there, but it's a hard problem.  There was a similar
discussion before PyCon 2009, but not much came of it:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/086678.html


I started working on a PEP last year, but I didn't get very far partly 
because I doubted the desire.


What part do you think is a hard problem?  Convincing people to switch 
to a new API?  *Defining* the new API doesn't seem very hard to me.


Jean-Paul
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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88395 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/asyncore.py

2011-02-12 Thread Eli Bendersky
> I started working on a PEP last year, but I didn't get very far partly
> because I doubted the desire.
>
> What part do you think is a hard problem?  Convincing people to switch to a
> new API?  *Defining* the new API doesn't seem very hard to me.
>

I must say that the only time I needed the functionality asyncore
provides in some Python code, 5 minutes of browsing and reading
pointed me to Twisted anyway. I think that having the "ultimately
recommended" library for such programming in stdlib is a good idea, or
at least some core of it. We have a tradition of new modules replacing
old ones with the same functionality gradually (command line argument
parsing, for example) and if someone is motivated enough to prepare a
comprehensive PEP and then working on pulling it through, I think it
may work.

Eli
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