Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> In another thread it was suggested that a new buildbot running as root
> would be of value. I've spun up a virtual machine running Debian
> Wheezy amd64, have installed buildbot from the repository (version
> 0.8.6p1), and am ready to have it join the farm. How do I go about
> doing this?

Is there any interest in this build slave? I haven't heard back from
anyone as to where to go from here.

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>> In another thread it was suggested that a new buildbot running as root
>> would be of value. I've spun up a virtual machine running Debian
>> Wheezy amd64, have installed buildbot from the repository (version
>> 0.8.6p1), and am ready to have it join the farm. How do I go about
>> doing this?
>
> Is there any interest in this build slave? I haven't heard back from
> anyone as to where to go from here.

Antoine's contacted me off-list and sorted out the details. Bruce the
Aussie Buildbot is now in operation. (And yes, the hostname is
'bruce'.)

Thanks Antoine!

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 30.12.2013 15:02, schrieb Chris Angelico:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>>> In another thread it was suggested that a new buildbot running as root
>>> would be of value. I've spun up a virtual machine running Debian
>>> Wheezy amd64, have installed buildbot from the repository (version
>>> 0.8.6p1), and am ready to have it join the farm. How do I go about
>>> doing this?
>>
>> Is there any interest in this build slave? I haven't heard back from
>> anyone as to where to go from here.
> 
> Antoine's contacted me off-list and sorted out the details. Bruce the
> Aussie Buildbot is now in operation. (And yes, the hostname is
> 'bruce'.)
> 
> Thanks Antoine!

Thanks guys!

The buildbot is missing some vital header files. Please run:

  # apt-get build-dep python3.3

to install all required dependencies.

Christian

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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Zachary Ware
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Christian Heimes  wrote:
> Am 30.12.2013 15:02, schrieb Chris Angelico:
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
 In another thread it was suggested that a new buildbot running as root
 would be of value. I've spun up a virtual machine running Debian
 Wheezy amd64, have installed buildbot from the repository (version
 0.8.6p1), and am ready to have it join the farm. How do I go about
 doing this?
>>>
>>> Is there any interest in this build slave? I haven't heard back from
>>> anyone as to where to go from here.
>>
>> Antoine's contacted me off-list and sorted out the details. Bruce the
>> Aussie Buildbot is now in operation. (And yes, the hostname is
>> 'bruce'.)
>>
>> Thanks Antoine!
>
> Thanks guys!
>
> The buildbot is missing some vital header files. Please run:
>
>   # apt-get build-dep python3.3
>
> to install all required dependencies.

It looks like it compiled and ran the tests fine, except for two
failures due to a lack of zlib.  If zlib is a required dependency, the
build process should die without it (or fall back to the version
living in Modules/zlib), and needs to be fixed.  If it is as optional
as it seems to look, then it might be good to keep a buildbot that
explicitly doesn't have all (or even any) of the optional dependencies
and we should just fix the tests that expect zlib unconditionally.
Perhaps not this buildbot, though, since it's the only one running as
root.

Either way, this buildbot's first and thus far only run has already
shown up something that needs to be fixed ;)

-- 
Zach
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Zachary Ware
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Zachary Ware
 wrote:
> and we should just fix the tests that expect zlib unconditionally.

Both of which turned out to be trivial; the import of zlib was already
guarded in both places, but one skip was checking the wrong name and
the other just didn't try to skip, so I've fixed both.

-- 
Zach
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:00:02 -0600, Zachary Ware  
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Zachary Ware
>  wrote:
> > and we should just fix the tests that expect zlib unconditionally.
> 
> Both of which turned out to be trivial; the import of zlib was already
> guarded in both places, but one skip was checking the wrong name and
> the other just didn't try to skip, so I've fixed both.

We've gone through spates before of fixing the tests that rely on various
optional modules (especially zlib).  Yeah, having a buildbot configured
without all the optional modules would be nice.

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Christian Heimes  wrote:
> The buildbot is missing some vital header files. Please run:
>
>   # apt-get build-dep python3.3
>
> to install all required dependencies.

Debian Wheezy doesn't package 3.3 but only 3.2, so I grabbed 3.2's
build-deps. They're now installed, so the next build should have
everything for that. Does anyone happen to know what (if anything) 3.3
needs that 3.2 doesn't?

I hit Force Build on the 3.3 one, so hopefully that'll show up. It's
busily checking out now.

ChrisA
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[Python-Dev] Buildbot - "slave lost"

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
Does Buildbot retain a constant TCP socket to its server? I'm seeing this:

http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Debian%20root%203.3/builds/0

"""

Results:

Retry exception slave lost

"""

I have two internet connections; one is faster, but tends to drop
socket connections after a few hours, and the other is a bit slower
but more reliable (as long as the connection doesn't go idle for too
long - neither of my upstreams is particularly MUD-friendly). Would it
help to set a routing rule to send traffic to python.org:9020 via the
connection that won't drop out?

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot - "slave lost"

2013-12-30 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:24:26 +1100
Chris Angelico  wrote:
> Does Buildbot retain a constant TCP socket to its server? I'm seeing this:
> 
> http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Debian%20root%203.3/builds/0

I'm quite sure it does. It's necessary to get a real-time view of the
test log.

> Would it
> help to set a routing rule to send traffic to python.org:9020 via the
> connection that won't drop out?

The only way to know is to try it out :)

Regards

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot - "slave lost"

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Antoine Pitrou  wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:24:26 +1100
> Chris Angelico  wrote:
>> Does Buildbot retain a constant TCP socket to its server? I'm seeing this:
>>
>> http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Debian%20root%203.3/builds/0
>
> I'm quite sure it does. It's necessary to get a real-time view of the
> test log.
>
>> Would it
>> help to set a routing rule to send traffic to python.org:9020 via the
>> connection that won't drop out?
>
> The only way to know is to try it out :)

If that's what it does, then it almost certainly will help. I put all
my MUD connections through the other connection. The change is made,
I'll trigger another build and see if it works.

Thanks for the help!

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Zach Ware


Chris Angelico  wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Christian Heimes
> wrote:
>> The buildbot is missing some vital header files. Please run:
>>
>>   # apt-get build-dep python3.3
>>
>> to install all required dependencies.
>
>Debian Wheezy doesn't package 3.3 but only 3.2, so I grabbed 3.2's
>build-deps. They're now installed, so the next build should have
>everything for that. Does anyone happen to know what (if anything) 3.3
>needs that 3.2 doesn't?

You'll need sources for lzma, but I think that should be it.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

2013-12-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Zach Ware
 wrote:
>>Debian Wheezy doesn't package 3.3 but only 3.2, so I grabbed 3.2's
>>build-deps. They're now installed, so the next build should have
>>everything for that. Does anyone happen to know what (if anything) 3.3
>>needs that 3.2 doesn't?
>
> You'll need sources for lzma, but I think that should be it.

Done, lzma-dev installed. Thanks.

ChrisA
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[Python-Dev] Fwd: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Stromberg
So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dan Stromberg 
Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Subject: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey
To: Python List 


I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x.

Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about
Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use.

I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out.

Here's the URL:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N5N5PG2
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Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2013-12-30 Thread Tim Peters
[Dan Stromberg]
> I keep hearing naysayers, nay saying about Python 3.x.
>
> Here's a 9 question, multiple choice survey I put together about
> Python 2.x use vs Python 3.x use.
>
> I'd be very pleased if you could take 5 or 10 minutes to fill it out.

If you run Python 3 while filling out the survey, like I did, it takes
less than 1 minute to complete.  This may be surprising, since people
usually say Python 3 is slower than Python 2.  Those must people who
don't fill out surveys ;-)


> Here's the URL:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N5N5PG2
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Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2013-12-30 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Dan Stromberg  wrote:
> So far the results are looking good for 3.x.

Python-dev probably is a bit special.

//Lennart
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