ANN: SkipoleMonitor0.2 released
SkipoleMonitor is available at http://code.google.com/p/skipole-monitor/ Version 0.2 now released, this version adds the option to automatically send email alerts should the status of any monitored host change. What is SkipoleMonitor? = SkipoleMonitor is a free network monitor for Windows and Linux. On running the program, a GUI window appears, and hosts can be added, which Skipole Monitor will regularly ping, showing the results via a built-in Web server. Hosts can be grouped, so the Web server will show group symbols that the viewer can open to inspect the hosts, or further sub-groups, within. Written in Python, and uses the wxPython library, it has been tested on Windows and Linux. License : GPL = Bernard Czenkusz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html
MailingLogger 3.1.0 Released!
Hot on the heals of the 3.0.0 release, this 3.1.0 release offers support for SMTP hosts that require authentication in order to send mail... Mailinglogger enables log entries to be emailed either as the entries are logged or as a summary at the end of the running process. This pair of enhanced emailing handlers for the python logging framework is now available as a standard python package and as an egg. The handlers have the following features: - customisable and dynamic subject lines for emails sent - emails sent with an X-Mailer header for easy filtering - flood protection to ensure the number of emails sent is not excessive - fully documented and tested In addition, extra support is provided for configuring the handlers when using ZConfig, Zope 2 or Zope 3. Installation is as easy as: easy_install mailinglogger For more information, please see: http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/python/mailinglogger cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html
Re: omissions in python docs?
Anthony Irwin wrote: 7stud wrote: On May 17, 7:23 pm, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, have the python doc keepers ever visited the php docs? In my opinion, they are the best docs of any language I've encountered because users can add posts to any page in the docs to correct them or post code showing how to get around various idiosyncrasies when using the functions. Hi, I also like the php docs and love that you can type any function into the search at php.net and the documentation just comes up and there is example code and then user comments also. For searching, we got at least pyhelp.cgi_. HTH, Stargaming .. _pyhelp.cgi: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/pyhelp.cgi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to convert a number to binary?
Lyosha schrieb:
On May 17, 4:40 pm, Michael Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 17, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Lyosha wrote:
Converting binary to base 10 is easy:
int('', 2)
255
Converting base 10 number to hex or octal is easy:
oct(100)
'0144'
hex(100)
'0x64'
Is there an *easy* way to convert a number to binary?
def to_base(number, base):
'converts base 10 integer to another base'
number = int(number)
base = int(base)
if base 2 or base 36:
raise ValueError, Base must be between 2 and 36
if not number:
return 0
symbols = string.digits + string.lowercase[:26]
answer = []
while number:
number, remainder = divmod(number, base)
answer.append(symbols[remainder])
return ''.join(reversed(answer))
Hope this helps,
Michael
That's way too complicated... Is there any way to convert it to a one-
liner so that I can remember it? Mine is quite ugly:
.join(str((n/base**i) % base) for i in range(20) if n=base**i)
[::-1].zfill(1)
Wrote this a few moons ago::
dec2bin = lambda x: (dec2bin(x/2) + str(x%2)) if x else ''
Regards,
Stargaming
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Re: Interesting list Validity (True/False)
En Fri, 18 May 2007 01:48:29 -0300, Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: The gmpy designer, writer and maintainer (all in the singular -- that's me) has NOT chosen anything of the sort. gmpy.mpz does implement __int__ and __long__ -- but '%d'%somempzinstance chooses not to call either of them. sys.maxint has nothing to do with the case: '%d'%somelonginstance DOES work just fine -- hey, even a *float* instance formats just fine here (it gets truncated). I personally consider this a bug in %d-formatting, definitely NOT in gmpy. Yes, sorry, at first I thought it was gmpz which refused to convert itself to long. But the fault is in the string formatting code, and it was pointed out later on this same thread. Floats have the same problem: %d % 5.2 does work, but %d % 1e30 does not. After digging a bit in the implementation of PyString_Format, for a %d format it does: - test if the value to be printed is actually a long integer (using PyLong_Check). Yes? Format as a long integer. - else, convert the value into a plain integer (using PyInt_AsLong), and format that. No attempt is made to *convert* the value to a long integer. I understand that this could be a slow operation, so the various tests should be carefully ordered, but anyway the __long__ conversion should be done. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to convert a number to binary?
Lyosha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On May 17, 4:40 pm, Michael Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 17, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Lyosha wrote: Is there an *easy* way to convert a number to binary? def to_base(number, base): [function definition] Hope this helps, Michael That's way too complicated... Is there any way to convert it to a one- liner so that I can remember it? You put in a module so you don't *have* to remember it. Then, you use it in this one-liner: foo = to_base(15, 2) Carrying a whole lot of one-liners around in your head is a waste of neurons. Neurons are far more valuable than disk space, screen lines, or CPU cycles. -- \ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. (Whatever is | `\ said in Latin, sounds profound.) -- Anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A new project.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I am interested in organizing and taking part in a project that would create a virtual world much like the one described in Neal Stephenson's 'Snow Crash'. I'm not necessarily talking about something 3d and I'm not talking about a game either. Like a MOO, only virtual. And each 'user' is allocated space with which they are free to edit in any way, within the confines of that space. I know Second Life and others come to mind when you think of this, but Frankly Second Life came off as sloppy to me. I want people to be able to code their own objects and environments with the ease of Python. I don't know forget the suggestions, anything is on the table, but there are just so many half-hearted and weak commercial attempts at this I feel that it's time to get Python involved in the game and do it right. If anyone has any interest, ideas, comments or otherwise, e-mail me. If some interest is shown we'll start a board, a site, an IRC channel or whatever we have to do to meet and get the ball rolling. :) Thanks. IMO, this sounds pretty interesting. Got any sources set up yet? Thinking of this as something like a community effort sounds nice. Interestedly, Stargaming -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternative to eclipse [ python ide AND cvs ]
yomgui wrote: I use eclipse for python and cvs, what is the good alternative ? the good alternative, I dont know. But a good solution is eric3 (http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric.html) -- Under construction -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternative to eclipse [ python ide AND cvs ]
yomgui schrieb: Hi, Eclipse is just not really working on linux 64 bit (I tried ubuntu and centos, it is freesing and crashing and extremly slow) I use eclipse for python and cvs, what is the good alternative ? thanks yomgui Well, basically any editor that features plugins IMO. Although this sounds much like a which editor is the best? question (what will enrage us even more than non-ASCII identifiers wink), I'd suggest Vim. It is available at almost all platforms I guess (linux 64 bit should be *no* problem at all). You can make it match your personal editing preferences (I recently got in touch with the `:map` command -- wonderful one), extend it (there are lots of plugins as for example snippetsEmu that allows some Textmate-like autocompletion) and let it work with CVS (never tried it but a `search for CVS`_ yields dozens of results). Ah -- and it works with python very well. Lots of plugins again, good highlighting, indentation support, built-in python shell (when compiled with +python). (If you're going to give it a try, put something like ``autocmd FileType python map F5 :wCR:!python %CR`` into your .vimrc to get the IDE-feeling (F5 for write+execute) back in.) Regards, Stargaming .. _search for CVS: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script_search_results.php?keywords=cvsscript_type=order_by=ratingdirection=descendingsearch=search -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now I understand it is meaning 12 in Merriam-Webster's dictionary, a) to decline to bid, double, or redouble in a card game, or b) to let something go by without accepting or taking advantage of it. I never thought of it as having that meaning. I thought of it in the sense of going by something without stopping, like I passed a post office on my way to work today. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Unusual i/o problems
On May 16, 7:55 pm, Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: output_file = open(test_file,w) ... input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r') Can you spot the problem now? To prevent it, use a naming convention that allows you to distinguish between file /names/ and file /objects/. But i am getting an error on this line (input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')).I have tried to figure out but not able to debug.Can someone throw some light or anything they feel could be going wrong somewhere. In the future, to make it as easy as possible to help you, please post the actual traceback which contains valuable hints about the error you encountered even if you cannot make sense of it. Peter Hi, I am running the exe from command prompt,but i am not able to see the error as it goes off very quickly.How do i capture the error (traceback).I tried putting an input prompt after the expected line of error but wont work.Is there a command to capture the error. Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternative to eclipse [ python ide AND cvs ]
I have had very few problems with eclipse on ubuntu with pydev installed. Is it still running under the gnu jvm, not the sun one? It was crashing on me until I changed them around, detials about changing it around on ubuntu anyway http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Java_Integrated_Development_Environment_.28Eclipse.29 Hope this helps, Nathan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How to stop a scheduler stated using
Hello ALL, I am trying to schdule some of my class methods using sched module of python import sched, time s=sched.scheduler(time.time, time.sleep) event1=s.enter(60, 1, obj.scheduleAbuseAssignment1, ()) event2=s.enter(60, 1, obj.scheduleAbuseAssignment2, ()) event3=s.enter(60, obj.scheduleAbuseAssignment3, ()) Is there any way to stop these scheduled events?If so, can we do it through a UI Thanks in advance. Regards, - Nagendra Kumar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Integration with existing tools *is* something that a PEP should consider. This one does not do that sufficiently, IMO. What specific tools should be discussed, and what specific problems do you expect? Emacs, whose unicode support is still pretty weak. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now look me in the eye and tell me that you find the mix of proper German and English keywords beautiful. I can't admit that, but I find that using German class and method names is beautiful. The rest around it (keywords and names from the standard library) are not English - they are Python. MvL: (look me in the eye and tell me that def is an English word, or that getattr is one) HvR: LOL - true - but a broken down assembler programmer like me does not use getattr - and def is short for define, and for and while and in are not German. After an intense session of omphaloscopy, I would like another bite at this cherry. I think my problem is something like this - when I see a line of code like: def frobnitz(): I do not actually see the word def - I see something like: define a function with no arguments called frobnitz This expansion process is involuntary, and immediate in my mind. And this is immediately followed by an irritated reaction, like: WTF is frobnitz? What is it supposed to do? What Idiot wrote this? Similarly, when I encounter the word getattr - it is immediately expanded to get attribute and this expansion is kind of dependant on another thing, namely that my mind is in English mode - I refer here to something that only happens rarely, but with devastating effect, experienced only by people who can read more than one language - I am referring to the phenomenon that you look at an unfamiliar piece of writing on say a signboard, with the wrong language switch set in your mind - and you cannot read it, it makes no sense for a second or two - until you kind of step back mentally and have a more deliberate look at it, when it becomes obvious that its not say English, but Afrikaans, or German, or vice versa. So in a sense, I can look you in the eye and assert that def and getattr are in fact English words... (for me, that is) I suppose that this one language track - mindedness of mine is why I find the mix of keywords and German or Afrikaans so abhorrent - I cannot really help it, it feels as if I am eating a sandwich, and that I bite on a stone in the bread. - It just jars. Good luck with your PEP - I don't support it, but it is unlikely that the Python-dev crowd and GvR would be swayed much by the opinions of the egregious HvR. Aesthetics aside, I think that the practical maintenance problems (especially remote maintenance) is the rock on which this ship could founder. - Hendrik -- Philip Larkin (English Poet) : They fuck you up, your mom and dad - They do not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had, and add some extra, just for you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)
Beliavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 16, 2:45 pm, Cameron Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QOTW: Sometimes you just have to take the path of least distaste. - Grant Edwards I want to choose my words carefully here, so I'm not misunderstood. rest snipped I think Cameron Laird does a good job with the Python digest but blundered here. Why did he highlight a foul comment having nothing to do with Python? Because its funny - you normally only say I choose my words carefully, when you are about to say something that can be easily misconstrued, or that is technically difficult to follow - That particular preamble prepares you mentally for something difficult, and the coarse comment that follows is in such contrast that it had me ROTFLMAO - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Sion Arrowsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hvr: Would not like it at all, for the same reason I don't like re's - It looks like random samples out of alphabet soup to me. What I meant was, would the use of foreign identifiers look so horrible to you if the core language had fewer English keywords? (Perhaps Perl, with its line-noise, was a poor choice of example. Maybe Lisp would be better, but I'm not so sure of my Lisp as to make such an assertion for it.) I suppose it would jar less - but I avoid such languages, as the whole thing kind of jars - I am not on the python group for nothing.. : - ) - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tkinter button state = DISABLED
On Thu, 17 May 2007 09:30:57 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Wed, 16 May 2007 03:22:17 -0300, Hendrik van Rooyen I have never seen this working in Tkinter, unless the button was pressed on the widget in question - and worse, once you have clicked down on a ButtonRelease binding you can move the mouse pointer anywhere you like, even out of the application and when you release it, the bound function is called... Its either a bug or a feature, I don't know. Uhmm... I'm not sure I understand you completely. I only said that the command is fired only when the mouse button is pressed on the widget, AND released inside the same widget. If both events don't happen in the same widget, command won't fire. Maybe you are saying the same thing... anyway I'm not a Tk expert. No command is ok and you have described it right - its ButtonRelease that seems broken to me Apparently, this behaviour is the intended one, at least for buttons; see: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/bind.htm#M11 As for the question why?, maybe you should ask it on the c.l.tcl newsgroup? -- python -c print ''.join([chr(154 - ord(c)) for c in 'U(17zX(%,5.zmz5(17l8(%,5.Z*(93-965$l7+-']) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Execute commands from file
On Fri, 18 May 2007 04:45:30, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote On 17 May 2007 13:12:10 -0700, i3dmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: 'b' is generally useful on systems that don't treat binary and text files differently. It will improve portability. b is needed for binary files on systems that /do/ treat binary differently from text. And it does add to portability only in that it has no effect on those that treat all files the same. However, as I recall the thread, the intent is to process text lines from a file -- and using b is going to affect how the line endings are being treated. Yes that was my understanding too, Dennis, and the reason I queried it in the first place. I had to remove the b option in order to get the sample code to work under Windows, because the standard line termination under Windows is carriage return + linefeed (\r\n). Of course if I manually edit the command file so that it only has a linefeed character at the end of each line, the binary mode works. So I think i3dmaster's method is only portable as long as the command file is created with unix-style line termination. -- Doug Woodrow -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternative to eclipse [ python ide AND cvs ]
Stargaming napisał(a): Well, basically any editor that features plugins IMO. Although this sounds much like a which editor is the best? question (what will enrage us even more than non-ASCII identifiers wink), I'd suggest Vim. The IDE which embeds Vim is PIDA: http://www.pida.co.uk/. Looks promising. -- Jarek Zgoda We read Knuth so you don't have to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Wildemar Wildenburger napisał(a): To make it short: Is there something like this already? There seem to loads of python frameworks for Web-Apps, but I have a hard time finding one for desktop-apps. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard (if still time consuming) whipping up something simple myself, but I thought, I'd ask here before diving into it. There are few GUI frameworks building on various toolkits. I used to use Kiwi for PyGTK, it's mature and stable, although the approach is not the same as, for example, Delphi. -- Jarek Zgoda We read Knuth so you don't have to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Regexes: How to handle escaped characters
Hallöchen!
John Machin writes:
On May 18, 6:00 am, Torsten Bronger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...]
Example string: uHollo, escaped positions: [4]. Thus, the
second o is escaped and must not be found be the regexp
searches.
Instead of re.search, I call the function guarded_search(pattern,
text, offset) which takes care of escaped caracters. Thus, while
re.search(o$, string)
will find the second o,
guarded_search(o$, string, 0)
Huh? Did you mean 4 instead of zero?
No, the offset parameter is like the pos parameter in the search
method of regular expression objects. It's like
guarded_search(o$, string[offset:])
Actually, my real guarded_search even has an endpos parameter,
too.
[...]
Quite apart from the confusing use of escape, your requirements are
still as clear as mud. Try writing up docs for your guarded_search
function.
Note that I don't want to add functionality to the stdlib, I just
want to solve my tiny annoying problem. Okay, here is a more
complete story:
I've specified a simple text document syntax, like reStructuredText,
Wikimedia, LaTeX or whatever. I already have a preprocessor for it,
now I try to implement the parser. A sectioning heading looks like
this:
Introduction
Thus, my parser searches (among many other things) for
r\n\s*={4,}\s*$. However, the author can escape any character
with a backslash:
Introduction or Introduction
\===\===
This means the first (or fifth) equation sign is an equation sign as
is and not part of a heading underlining. This must not be
interpreted as a section begin. The preprocessor generates
u=== with escaped_positions=[0]. (Or [4], in the
righthand case.)
This is why I cannot use normal search methods.
[...]
Whatever your exact requirement, it would seem unlikely to be so
wildly popularly demanded as to warrant inclusion in the regexp
machine. You would have to write your own wrapper, something like
the following totally-untested example of one possible
implementation of one possible guess at what you mean:
import re
def guarded_search(pattern, text, forbidden_offsets, overlap=False):
regex = re.compile(pattern)
pos = 0
while True:
m = regex.search(text, pos)
if not m:
return
start, end = m.span()
for bad_pos in forbidden_offsets:
if start = bad_pos end:
break
else:
yield m
if overlap:
pos = start + 1
else:
pos = end
8---
This is similar to my current approach, however, it also finds too
many ^a patterns because it starts a fresh search at different
positions.
Tschö,
Torsten.
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Re: How to convert a number to binary?
On May 17, 11:04 pm, Stargaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Is there an *easy* way to convert a number to binary? [...] Wrote this a few moons ago:: dec2bin = lambda x: (dec2bin(x/2) + str(x%2)) if x else '' This is awesome. Exactly what I was looking for. Works for other bases too. I guess the reason I couldn't come up with something like this was being brainwashed that lambda is a no-no. And python2.5 funky ?: expression comes in handy! Thanks a lot! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternative to eclipse [ python ide AND cvs ]
Stargaming wrote: yomgui schrieb: Hi, Eclipse is just not really working on linux 64 bit (I tried ubuntu and centos, it is freesing and crashing and extremly slow) I use eclipse for python and cvs, what is the good alternative ? thanks yomgui Fond of Komodo. Seems to run most of my python programming tasks. Has breakpoints/debugging, introspection, projects and the professional version supports CVS. The only issue I have is that they (ActiveState.com) just raised the price of the personal IDE way too high. I'll be using my older version (3.1) for a while. If I used it at work, I'd certainly have my boss splurge the 200 odd dollar price. But, in their favor, they have a editor version for free. I 'think' it doesn't have the damn fine debugging or CVS feature though. sph -- HEX: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Jarek Zgoda wrote: There are few GUI frameworks building on various toolkits. I used to use Kiwi for PyGTK, it's mature and stable, although the approach is not the same as, for example, Delphi Thanks for the effort, but I think I'm not well understood. I'm not looking for a GUI framework (which, by the way, is most likely to be wxPython), but for a pure plugin architecture. A rich-client-platform, as it is sometimes called. Nothing specific about anythin in particular, just something that runs plugins. Like Eclipse does these days. It's beginning to dawn on me that I'll have to cook something up myself. *grumble* ;) W -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to convert a number to binary?
On May 17, 11:10 pm, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] That's way too complicated... Is there any way to convert it to a one- liner so that I can remember it? You put in a module so you don't *have* to remember it. Then, you use it in this one-liner: foo = to_base(15, 2) Carrying a whole lot of one-liners around in your head is a waste of neurons. Neurons are far more valuable than disk space, screen lines, or CPU cycles. While I agree with this general statement, I think remembering a particular one-liner to convert a number to a binary is more valuable to my brain than remembering where I placed the module that contains this function. I needed the one-liner not to save disk space or screen lines. It's to save time, should I need to convert to binary when doing silly little experiments. I would spend more time getting the module wherever it is I stored it (and rewriting it if it got lost). It's fun, too. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Sending a JavaScript array to Python script?
placid a écrit : Hi All, Just wondering if there is any way of sending a JavaScript array to a Python cgi script? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything useful. Look for json. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Unusual i/o problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running the exe from command prompt,but i am not able to see the error as it goes off very quickly. http://effbot.org/pyfaq/how-do-i-run-a-python-program-under-windows.htm How do i capture the error (traceback).I tried putting an input prompt after the expected line of error but wont work.Is there a command to capture the error. You can redirect stderr to a file: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/redirection.mspx Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Anyone use PyPar (Python MPI implementation) recently?
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i/o prob revisited
Hi,
I am parsing an xml file ,before that i have replaced a string in
the original xml file with another and made a new xml file which will
now be parsed.I am also opening some more files for output.The
following code shows some i/o commands.
file_input = raw_input(Enter The ODX File Path:)
input_xml = open(file_input,'r')
(shortname,ext)=os.path.splitext(file_input)
f_open_out=shortname+.ini
log=shortname+.xls
test_file=shortname+testxml.xml
saveout = sys.stdout
xmlcont=input_xml.read()
input_xml.close()
xmlcont=xmlcont.replace('localId','dataPackageId')
output_file = open(test_file,w)
output_file.write(xmlcont)
output_file.close()
f_open=open(f_open_out, 'w')
logfile=open(log,w)
sys.stdout = f_open
After this i have to parse the new xml file which is in
output_file .hence
input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')
xmldoc = minidom.parse(input_xml_sec)
But i am getting an error on this line
(input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')).I have tried to figure out
but
not able to debug.Can someone throw some light or anything they feel
could be going wrong somewhere.
How do i capture the error as it vanishes very
qucikly when i run through command prompt,(the idle envir gives
indentation errors for no reason(which runs perfectly from cmd
prompt),hence i dont run using conventional F5.
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Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you doubt the claim, please indicate which of these three aspects you doubt: 1. there are programmers which desire to defined classes and functions with names in their native language. 2. those developers find the code clearer and more maintainable than if they had to use English names. 3. code clarity and maintainability is important. I think it can damage clarity and maintainability and if there's so much demand for it then I'd propose this compromise: non-ascii identifiers are allowed but they produce a compiler warning message (including from eval and exec). You can suppress the warning message with a command line option. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
emacs python debugging: pydb or pdb fringe interaction
I can't get the gdb fringe interaction functionality to work with either pdb or pydb. Any hints as to versions or incantations I should try? I have the emacs22 from debian unstable emacs-snapshot-gtk package fwiw. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
App Leaving 'sh defunct' Everywhere
Hello Guys, I've got an application that seems to leave 'sh defunct' in my os processes list. I'm running it on Debian, albeit a stripped down embedded version. I'm not sure what the cause of this is, My application starts several threads and also uses popen2.popen3() to run a few CMD commands. Any ideas why I'm getting this, or if it's even something to be concerned about. Thanks, Rob -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Wildemar Wildenburger napisał(a): There are few GUI frameworks building on various toolkits. I used to use Kiwi for PyGTK, it's mature and stable, although the approach is not the same as, for example, Delphi Thanks for the effort, but I think I'm not well understood. I'm not looking for a GUI framework (which, by the way, is most likely to be wxPython), but for a pure plugin architecture. A rich-client-platform, as it is sometimes called. Nothing specific about anythin in particular, just something that runs plugins. Like Eclipse does these days. I know what is Eclipse RCP. The world would be much better place to live if we had something similar. :) Many applications employ plugin framework-like things and in Python this is specially easy to do, but I saw none that is built as one big plugin framework. The one that mostly resembles such approach is PIDA (http://www.pida.co.uk/), which is built around the concept of pluggable views and services, but again, this is far from Eclipse RCP. -- Jarek Zgoda We read Knuth so you don't have to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Random selection
Hi, I have a list with probabilities as elements [p1,p2,p3] with of course p1+p2+p3=1. I'd like to draw a random element from this list, based on the probabilities contained in the list itself, and return its index. Any help on the best way to do that? Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Hallöchen! Martin v. Löwis writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Craig-Wood wrote: My initial reaction is that it would be cool to use all those great symbols. A variable called OHM etc! This is a nice candidate for homoglyph confusion. There's the Greek letter omega (U+03A9) Ω and the SI unit symbol (U+2126) Ω, and I think some omegas in the mathematical symbols area too. Under the PEP, identifiers are converted to normal form NFC, and we have py unicodedata.normalize(NFC, u\u2126) u'\u03a9' So, OHM SIGN compares equal to GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA. It can't be confused with it - it is equal to it by the proposed language semantics. So different unicode sequences in the source code can denote the same identifier? Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for ICQ, MSN, etc.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Is or will there be a definitive and exhaustive listing (with bitmap representations of the glyphs to avoid the font issues) of the glyphs that the PEP 3131 would allow in identifiers? (Does this question even make sense?) As for the list I generated in HTML: It might be possible to make it include bitmaps instead of HTML character references, but doing so is a licensing problem, as you need a license for a font that has all these characters. If you want to lookup a specific character, I recommend to go to the Unicode code charts, at http://www.unicode.org/charts/ My understanding is also that there are several east-asian characters that display quite differently depending on whether you are in Japan, Taiwan or mainland China. So much differently that for example a Japanese person will not be able to recognize a character rendered in the Taiwanese or mainland Chinese way. -- Thomas Bellman, Lysator Computer Club, Linköping University, Sweden Adde parvum parvo magnus acervus erit ! bellman @ lysator.liu.se (From The Mythical Man-Month) ! Make Love -- Nicht Wahr! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
Daniel Nogradi napisał(a): For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Server signature is usually configurable. -- Jarek Zgoda We read Knuth so you don't have to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: An expression that rebinds a variable?
GreenH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can I know what kind of expressions rebind variables, of course unlike
in C, assignments are not expressions (for a good reason)
So, eval(expr) should bring about a change in either my global or
local namespace, where 'expr' is the expression
List comprehensions:
c
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
NameError: name 'c' is not defined
eval('[ord(c) for c in parrot]')
[112, 97, 114, 114, 111, 116]
c
't'
This is supposed to be changed in Python 3.0.
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Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Just wondering, Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: i/o prob revisited
On May 18, 12:06 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am parsing an xml file ,before that i have replaced a string in
the original xml file with another and made a new xml file which will
now be parsed.I am also opening some more files for output.The
following code shows some i/o commands.
file_input = raw_input(Enter The ODX File Path:)
input_xml = open(file_input,'r')
(shortname,ext)=os.path.splitext(file_input)
f_open_out=shortname+.ini
log=shortname+.xls
test_file=shortname+testxml.xml
saveout = sys.stdout
xmlcont=input_xml.read()
input_xml.close()
xmlcont=xmlcont.replace('localId','dataPackageId')
output_file = open(test_file,w)
output_file.write(xmlcont)
output_file.close()
f_open=open(f_open_out, 'w')
logfile=open(log,w)
sys.stdout = f_open
After this i have to parse the new xml file which is in
output_file .hence
input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')
xmldoc = minidom.parse(input_xml_sec)
But i am getting an error on this line
(input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')).I have tried to figure out
but
not able to debug.Can someone throw some light or anything they feel
could be going wrong somewhere.
How do i capture the error as it vanishes very
qucikly when i run through command prompt,(the idle envir gives
indentation errors for no reason(which runs perfectly from cmd
prompt),hence i dont run using conventional F5.
http://docs.python.org/tut/
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Re: How to convert a number to binary?
Lyosha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 17, 11:04 pm, Stargaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Is there an *easy* way to convert a number to binary? [...] Wrote this a few moons ago:: dec2bin = lambda x: (dec2bin(x/2) + str(x%2)) if x else '' This is awesome. Exactly what I was looking for. Works for other bases too. Just don't pass it a negative number ;-) -- Nick Craig-Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.craig-wood.com/nick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: i/o prob revisited
On May 18, 1:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 18, 12:06 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am parsing an xml file ,before that i have replaced a string in
the original xml file with another and made a new xml file which will
now be parsed.I am also opening some more files for output.The
following code shows some i/o commands.
file_input = raw_input(Enter The ODX File Path:)
input_xml = open(file_input,'r')
(shortname,ext)=os.path.splitext(file_input)
f_open_out=shortname+.ini
log=shortname+.xls
test_file=shortname+testxml.xml
saveout = sys.stdout
xmlcont=input_xml.read()
input_xml.close()
xmlcont=xmlcont.replace('localId','dataPackageId')
output_file = open(test_file,w)
output_file.write(xmlcont)
output_file.close()
f_open=open(f_open_out, 'w')
logfile=open(log,w)
sys.stdout = f_open
After this i have to parse the new xml file which is in
output_file .hence
input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')
xmldoc = minidom.parse(input_xml_sec)
But i am getting an error on this line
(input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')).I have tried to figure out
but
not able to debug.Can someone throw some light or anything they feel
could be going wrong somewhere.
How do i capture the error as it vanishes very
qucikly when i run through command prompt,(the idle envir gives
indentation errors for no reason(which runs perfectly from cmd
prompt),hence i dont run using conventional F5.
http://docs.python.org/tut/
Read carefully.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
ok i am able to trace the error ...It says:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File C:\Projects\ODX Import\code_ini\odxparse_mod.py, line 294, in
module
input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r')
TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, file found
Any solutions.
Thanks
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Re: Unusual i/o problems
On May 18, 1:01 pm, Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running the exe from command prompt,but i am not able to see the error as it goes off very quickly. http://effbot.org/pyfaq/how-do-i-run-a-python-program-under-windows.htm How do i capture the error (traceback).I tried putting an input prompt after the expected line of error but wont work.Is there a command to capture the error. You can redirect stderr to a file: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/prodd... Peter ok i traced the error for above code.It says something like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\Projects\ODX Import\code_ini\odxparse_mod.py, line 294, in module input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r') TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, file found Can someone help me in this. Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Unusual i/o problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 18, 1:01 pm, Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running the exe from command prompt,but i am not able to see the error as it goes off very quickly. http://effbot.org/pyfaq/how-do-i-run-a-python-program-under-windows.htm How do i capture the error (traceback).I tried putting an input prompt after the expected line of error but wont work.Is there a command to capture the error. You can redirect stderr to a file: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/prodd... Peter ok i traced the error for above code.It says something like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\Projects\ODX Import\code_ini\odxparse_mod.py, line 294, in module input_xml_sec = open(output_file,'r') TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, file found Can someone help me in this. Thanks I already pointed you to the error in my first post in this thread. output_file is a file, but open() expects a file name. Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Long and interresting discussion with different point of view. Personnaly, even if the PEP goes (and its accepted), I'll continue to use identifiers as currently. But I understand those who wants to be able to use chars in their own language. * for people which are not expert developers (non-pros, or in learning context), to be able to use names having meaning, and for pro developers wanting to give a clear domain specific meaning - mainly for languages non based on latin characters where the problem must be exacerbated. They can already use unicode in strings (including documentation ones). * for exchanging with other programing languages having such identifiers... when they are really used (I include binding of table/column names in relational dataabses). * (not read, but I think present) this will allow developers to lock the code so that it could not be easily taken/delocalized anywhere by anybody. In the discussion I've seen that problem of mixing chars having different unicode number but same representation (ex. omega) is resolved (use of an unicode attribute linked to representation AFAIU). I've seen (on fclp) post about speed, it should be verified, I'm not sure we will loose speed with unicode identifiers. On the unicode editing, we have in 2007 enough correct editors supporting unicode (I configure my Windows/Linux editors to use utf-8 by default). I join concern in possibility to read code from a project which may use such identifiers (i dont read cyrillic, neither kanji or hindi) but, this will just give freedom to users. This can be a pain for me in some case, but is this a valuable argument so to forbid this for other people which feel the need ? IMHO what we should have if the PEP goes on: * reworking on traceback to have a general option (like -T) to ensure tracebacks prints only pure ascii, to avoid encoding problem when displaying errors on terminals. * a possibility to specify for modules that they must *define* only ascii-based names, like a from __futur__ import asciionly. To be able to enforce this policy in projects which request it. * and, as many wrote, enforce that standard Python libraries use only ascii identifiers. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Hallöchen! Laurent Pointal writes: [...] Personnaly, even if the PEP goes (and its accepted), I'll continue to use identifiers as currently. [...] Me too (mostly), although I do like the PEP. While many people have pointed out possible issues of the PEP, only few have tried to estimate its actual impact. I don't think that it will do harm to Python code because the programmers will know when it's appropriate to use it. The potential trouble is too obvious for being ignored accidentally. And in the case of a bad programmer, you have more serious problems than flawed identifier names, really. But for private utilities for example, such identifiers are really a nice thing to have. The same is true for teaching in some cases. And the small simulation program in my thesis would have been better with some α and φ. At least, the program would be closer to the equations in the text then. [...] * a possibility to specify for modules that they must *define* only ascii-based names, like a from __futur__ import asciionly. To be able to enforce this policy in projects which request it. Please don't. We're all adults. If a maintainer is really concerned about such a thing, he should write a trivial program that ensures it. After all, there are some other coding guidelines too that could be enforced this way but aren't, for good reason. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for ICQ, MSN, etc.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Random selection
Tartifola wrote: I have a list with probabilities as elements [p1,p2,p3] with of course p1+p2+p3=1. I'd like to draw a random element from this list, based on the probabilities contained in the list itself, and return its index. Any help on the best way to do that? import random import bisect def draw(probabilities): sigma = 0.0 ps = [] for p in probabilities: sigma += p ps.append(sigma) _bisect = bisect.bisect _random = random.random while 1: yield _bisect(ps, _random()) if __name__ == __main__: from itertools import islice histo = [0]*4 for i in islice(draw([0.2, 0.3, 0.5]), 10): histo[i] += 1 print histo -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Cannot parse simple entity references using xml.sax
I'm writing a SAX parser using Python and need to parse XML with entity references. taglt;gt;/tag Only the last entity reference gets parsed. Why are startEntity() and endEntity() never called? I'm using the following code: http://pastie.textmate.org/62610 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Ben Finney napisał(a): Thanks for the effort, but I think I'm not well understood. I'm not looking for a GUI framework (which, by the way, is most likely to be wxPython), but for a pure plugin architecture. A rich-client-platform, as it is sometimes called. Nothing specific about anythin in particular, just something that runs plugins. Like Eclipse does these days. I've never used Eclipse (beyond proving that it runs on various computers). Can you please describe what behaviour you're looking for? The key is not Eclipse itself, but the whole Eclipse Platform. See http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Rich_Client_Platform -- Jarek Zgoda We read Knuth so you don't have to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: zipfile stupidly broken
Martin Maney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To quote from zipfile.py (2.4 library): # Search the last END_BLOCK bytes of the file for the record signature. # The comment is appended to the ZIP file and has a 16 bit length. # So the comment may be up to 64K long. We limit the search for the # signature to a few Kbytes at the end of the file for efficiency. # also, the signature must not appear in the comment. END_BLOCK = min(filesize, 1024 * 4) So the author knows that there's a hard limit of 64K on the comment size, but feels it's more important to fail a little more quickly when fed something that's not a zipfile - or a perfectly legitimate zipfile that doesn't observe his ad-hoc 4K limitation. I don't have time to find a gentler way to say it because I have to find a work around for this arbitrary limit (1): this is stupid. To search 64k for all zip files would slow down the opening of all zip files whereas most zipfiles don't have comments. The code in _EndRecData should probably read 1k first, and then retry with 64k. (1) the leading candidate is to copy and paste the whole frigging zipfile module so I can patch it, but that's even uglier than it is stupid. This battery is pining for the fjords! You don't need to do that, you can just monkey patch the _EndRecData function. -- Nick Craig-Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.craig-wood.com/nick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the effort, but I think I'm not well understood. I'm not looking for a GUI framework (which, by the way, is most likely to be wxPython), but for a pure plugin architecture. A rich-client-platform, as it is sometimes called. Nothing specific about anythin in particular, just something that runs plugins. Like Eclipse does these days. I've never used Eclipse (beyond proving that it runs on various computers). Can you please describe what behaviour you're looking for? Just runs plugins is very vague, and would seem to be satisfied on the face of it by loading Python modules. If there's something more specific, you'll have to specify. -- \ I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a | `\king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some | _o__)Chihuahuas with some good ideas. -- Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pyhdf
Hi, I can't help here, just a recommendation: I am using pytables (http://www.pytables.org) build upon hdf5. If you're not bound to hdf4, go and try pytables instead of pyhdf. Bernhard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: App Leaving 'sh defunct' Everywhere
On May 18, 2007, at 3:49 AM, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote: I’ve got an application that seems to leave ‘sh defunct’ in my os processes list. I’m running it on Debian, albeit a stripped down embedded version. I’m not sure what the cause of this is, My application starts several threads and also uses popen2.popen3() to run a few CMD commands. Any ideas why I’m getting this, or if it’s even something to be concerned about. These processes have completed execution, but their parents have not read their exit status so they still have entries in the process table. They'll more than likely be reaped when the parent process goes away. If you'd rather not have zombies roaming around your system, use wait() to read the child's exit status. If, after the parent process exits, these processes persist -- run 'init -q' to get rid of them. hth, Michael --- I would rather use Java than Perl. And I'd rather be eaten by a crocodile than use Java. — Trouser -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Hendrik van Rooyen schrieb: I suppose that this one language track - mindedness of mine is why I find the mix of keywords and German or Afrikaans so abhorrent - I cannot really help it, it feels as if I am eating a sandwich, and that I bite on a stone in the bread. - It just jars. Please come to Vienna and learn the local slang. You would be surprised how beautiful and expressive a language mixed up of a lot of very different languages can be. Same for music. It's the secret of success of the music from Vienna. It's just a mix up of all the different cultures once living in a big multicultural kingdom. A mix up of Python key words and German identifiers feels very natural for me. I live in cultural diversity and richness and love it. Gregor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
A best approach to a creating specified http post body
Hi all, I'm rather new to python but not exaclty without programming experience and not quite get best pyhton practices. I have a following problem that it seems I cannot find a way to solve correctly. I need to build a special http post body that consists of : name=value +\r\n strings. Problem is that depending on operations the number of name,value pairs can increase and decrease. Values need to be initialized at runtime, so storing premade text files is not possible. The worst thing that some operations must be at beginning, so dictionary approach with classes is kinda out. Could you please provide some examples or descriptions on how you would solve such problem ? Thanks in advance. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
To make it short: Is there something like this already? To keep it short: yes. To make it longer: not sure about its status... i've never tried it myself. To make it short again: http://code.enthought.com/ets/ I also know some people are trying to create something called pyxides, but also there I am not sure about the status: http://pyxides.stani.be/ Best regards, Stefaan. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Regexes: How to handle escaped characters
Torsten Bronger wrote: Hallöchen! [...] Example string: uHollo, escaped positions: [4]. Thus, the second o is escaped and must not be found be the regexp searches. Instead of re.search, I call the function guarded_search(pattern, text, offset) which takes care of escaped caracters. Thus, while Tschö, Torsten. I'm still pretty much a beginner, and I am not sure of the exact requirements, but the following seems to work for at least simple cases when overlapping matches are not considered. def guarded_search( pattern, text, exclude ): return [ m for m in re.finditer(pattern,text) if not [ e for e in exclude if m.start() = e m.end() ] ] txt = axbycz exc = [ 3 ] # y pat = [xyz] mtch = guarded_search(pat,txt,exc) print Guarded search text='%s' excluding %s % ( txt,exc ) for m in mtch: print m.group(), 'at', m.start() txt = Hollo exc = [ 4 ] # Final o pat = o$ mtch = guarded_search(pat,txt,exc) print Guarded search text='%s' excluding %s %s matches % (txt,exc,len(mtch)) for m in mtch: print m.group(), 'at', m.start() Guarded search text='axbycz' excluding [3] 2 matches x at 1 z at 5 Guarded search text='Hollo' excluding [4] 0 matches Simply finds all the (non-overlapping) matches and rejects any that include one of the excluded columns (the y in the first case and the final o in the second). Charles -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
John Nagle a écrit : Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_. The main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not the bugs in our tools. You may not be happy with Python, then. John, I'm really getting tired of your systemic and totally unconstructive criticism. If *you* are not happy with Python, by all means use another language. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
Istvan Albert a écrit : On May 16, 5:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_. The main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not the bugs in our tools. I think this is a requirement that is pretty much impossible to satisfy. Only dead frameworks stay the same. I have yet to see a framework that did not have incompatible versions. Django has a very large user base, great documentation and is deployed for several online new and media sites. It is fast, it's efficient and is simple to use. Few modern frameworks (in any language) are comparable, and I have yet to see one that is better, Then have a look at Pylons. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to convert a number to binary?
Lyosha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 17, 11:04 pm, Stargaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dec2bin = lambda x: (dec2bin(x/2) + str(x%2)) if x else '' [ ... ] I guess the reason I couldn't come up with something like this was being brainwashed that lambda is a no-no. And python2.5 funky ?: expression comes in handy! def dec2bin(x): return x and (dec2bin(x/2)+str(x%2)) or '' does the same job without lambda or Python 2.5 (and note that the usual warning about a and b or c doesn't apply here as b is guaranteed to evaluate as true). -- \S -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chaos.org.uk/~sion/ Frankly I have no feelings towards penguins one way or the other -- Arthur C. Clarke her nu becomeþ se bera eadward ofdun hlæddre heafdes bæce bump bump bump -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: List Moderator
On May 18, 12:36 am, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: Is this list not moderated? I'm really not interested in Britney Spears boobs. All the spam on this list is from the same place, it should be very easy to filter. Is it a list, is it a newsgroup? No, it's c.l.py! In fact you could be reading this in a number of different forms, and there are equally many ways to inject content into the stream. It's surprisingly difficult to filter everything out, though the list managers at python.org seem to do a remarkably effective job. I'm not particularly interested in that subject matter either, but believe me there could be a lot more of that kind of thing than actually makes it through! regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden -- Asciimercial - Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag your way to fame!! holdenweb.blogspot.comsquidoo.com/pythonology tagged items: del.icio.us/steve.holden/python All these services currently offer free registration! -- Thank You for Reading You're probably right, but this week has been pretty bad. Every few posts there's another porn or boob related link. Sheesh! Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Multi-Page login WITH Cookies (POST Data)
After we are able to get a succussful login, i need a way that i can browse my site always including this cookie, like if i went to open up a page, it would use the cookie we got from logging in. You need something like this: import cookielib,urllib2 cookiejar = cookielib.CookieJar() opener = urllib2.build_opener(urllib2.HTTPCookieProcessor(cookiejar)) more info here: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib2.html and here: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-cookielib.html -Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A best approach to a creating specified http post body
I need to build a special http post body that consists of : name=value +\r\n strings. Problem is that depending on operations the number of name,value pairs can increase and decrease. Values need to be initialized at runtime, so storing premade text files is not possible. I'm not completely understanding your problems here. Can you explain why urllib.urlencode wouldn't work? (http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib.html) Thanks, -Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Re: A best approach to a creating specified http post body
Why not use scotch.recorder? Dave Borne wrote: I need to build a special http post body that consists of : name=value +\r\n strings. Problem is that depending on operations the number of name,value pairs can increase and decrease. Values need to be initialized at runtime, so storing premade text files is not possible. I'm not completely understanding your problems here. Can you explain why urllib.urlencode wouldn't work? (http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib.html) Thanks, -Dave -- Shane Geiger IT Director National Council on Economic Education [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 402-438-8958 | http://www.ncee.net Leading the Campaign for Economic and Financial Literacy begin:vcard fn:Shane Geiger n:Geiger;Shane org:National Council on Economic Education (NCEE) adr:Suite 215;;201 N. 8th Street;Lincoln;NE;68508;United States email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:IT Director tel;work:402-438-8958 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.ncee.net version:2.1 end:vcard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
Jarek Zgoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Nogradi napisa?(a): For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Server signature is usually configurable. Yeah, but I don't know why it's configured it that way. A good example of a question that looks perfectly appropriate for YouTube's OSCON session. Alex -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A best approach to a creating specified http post body
On May 18, 4:57 pm, Dave Borne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to build a special http post body that consists of : name=value +\r\n strings. Problem is that depending on operations the number of name,value pairs can increase and decrease. Values need to be initialized at runtime, so storing premade text files is not possible. I'm not completely understanding your problems here. Can you explain why urllib.urlencode wouldn't work? (http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib.html) Thanks, -Dave Hmm, I guess I meant something different by using body- I meant request data part and not the thing sent in ulr string. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Jarek Zgoda wrote: I've never used Eclipse (beyond proving that it runs on various computers). Can you please describe what behaviour you're looking for? The key is not Eclipse itself, but the whole Eclipse Platform. See http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Rich_Client_Platform Thank you for helping me out here. I'd just gone on and on about what my conception of a RCP is. I think that link just about clarifies it. W -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python for Smartcards on Windows XP (Python 2.4)
Dear all I headed for for a Smartcard lib for Python and found PyCSC. The zipped sources do not build [1] and the installer (exe file) wants to see a Python 2.5 installation. Does anyone know of an installer for Python 2.4? Kind regards Thin Myrna [1] python setup.py install yields F:\Software.Python\PyCSC\PyCSC-0.3python setup.py install running install running bdist_egg running egg_info writing .\PyCSC.egg-info\PKG-INFO writing top-level names to .\PyCSC.egg-info\top_level.txt installing library code to build\bdist.win32\egg running install_lib running build_py running build_ext error: The .NET Framework SDK needs to be installed before building extensions for Python. This is strange, becaus ethere shouldn't be any dep's on .NET. Instead it should use MSVC6 to compile/link into pycsc.pyd. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Server signature is usually configurable. Yeah, but I don't know why it's configured it that way. A good example of a question that looks perfectly appropriate for YouTube's OSCON session. Let us know what they say! :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
stefaan wrote: To make it short: Is there something like this already? To make it short again: http://code.enthought.com/ets/ Nice, seems very interesting. Bit of a bitch to set up, as it appears from scanning the site, but that might be it. Thanks :) Now for the everlasting circle of evaluating, feature-wanting, to-write-myself-deciding, failing, for-the-next-big-idea-waiting, asking, evaluationg, ... ;) I also know some people are trying to create something called pyxides, but also there I am not sure about the status: http://pyxides.stani.be/ Seems interesting as well, if only for the fact that Edward Ream (author of LEO) seems to be involved there in some way. But then, I can't quite make out what it is really about. The link just brings me to the google-group. Seems to be some kind of text-editor effort. I'll keep an eye on that, but so far, enthought is the front runner. Thx to everyone :) W -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
A Few More Forrester Survey Questions
I'm down to the wire here on answering the Forrester survey but am stumped on a few questions I hope someone can help me out with. 1) What -existing- examples of the use of Python to create social web applications are there? These include chat, collaboration, forum boards, and editable content pages, RSS feeds. I know I use a lot of these, but under pressure I'm not coming up with a lot of names. Can you throw a few my way? 2) How easy is it to install an application written in the language? How is the application deployed? I'm having some trouble understanding the difference between deployment and installation. I suspect those words may have a special meaning to Java developers (who designed the survey) or to Big Corporate IT developers. Ideas? I can tell the story of distutils, python eggs and PyPI, and py2exe and py2mumble for the Mac -- is there more to the story than that? 3) What is the value of the language to developers? Yeah, a very common, slippery question. Toss me some good explanations of why -you- value Python. Readable, free, cross-platform, powerful. What else? I'll synthesize something out of everyone's answers. Thanks for any one-line answers you can dash off to me today. Jeff Rush Python Advocacy Coordinator -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Why canNOT import from a local directory ?
Hi all I created a folder named *lib* and put a py file *lib.py* in it. In the upper folder I created a py file as: CODE import lib.lib def main(): __doc__ lib.lib.test() # if __name__ == __main__: main() But I got an error : #.:python main.py Traceback (most recent call last): File main.py, line 6, in ? import lib.lib ImportError: No module named lib.lib Why ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
On May 18, 10:15 am, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stefaan wrote: To make it short again:http://code.enthought.com/ets/ Nice, seems very interesting. Bit of a bitch to set up, as it appears from scanning the site, but that might be it. Actually, just this week, we completed a major SVN reorganization and from this point forward, all of the libraries in ETS will be released as eggs. In fact, eggs have been available for a long time for python 2.4, and now we have them for python 2.5 as well. The Eclipse in python you're looking for is actually called Envisage, and it is part of ETS: https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Envisage The Dev Guide has some tutorials etc.: https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/EnvisageDevGuide Note that Envisage != ETS. ETS is the term for the whole bundle of various Enthought libraries, including Traits, Chaco, Pyface, etc. Envisage does require some of these others (notably Traits and Pyface), but they are all available as eggs. Now for the everlasting circle of evaluating, feature-wanting, to-write-myself-deciding, failing, for-the-next-big-idea-waiting, asking, evaluationg, ... Chime in on the mailing list if you have any questions. It's pretty active and many people on it have lots of experience with Envisage. -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
On May 17, 2:30 pm, Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any difference for you in debugging this code snippets? class Türstock(object): Of course there is, how do I type the ü ? (I can copy/paste for example, but that gets old quick). But you're making a strawman argument by using extended ASCII characters that would work anyhow. How about debugging this (I wonder will it even make it through?) : class ６자회담관련론조 ６자회 = 0 ６자회담관련 고귀 명=10 (I don't know what it means, just copied over some words from a japanese news site, but the first thing it did it messed up my editor, would not type the colon anymore) i. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: Jarek Zgoda wrote: There are few GUI frameworks building on various toolkits. I used to use Kiwi for PyGTK, it's mature and stable, although the approach is not the same as, for example, Delphi Thanks for the effort, but I think I'm not well understood. I'm not looking for a GUI framework (which, by the way, is most likely to be wxPython), but for a pure plugin architecture. A rich-client-platform, as it is sometimes called. Nothing specific about anythin in particular, just something that runs plugins. Like Eclipse does these days. It's beginning to dawn on me that I'll have to cook something up myself. *grumble* ;) W I took a look at Eclipse page you mentioned but after reading the first page I still don't understand what you mean (and I never read beyond the first page ;-). With a plugin system, I can think of a complete operating system, or I can think of something like a DTP, or simply Word, or I can think of something like Signal WorkBench etc. I think if you don't express what all of the tasks of that framework will be, it's not well possible to create one. Do you want just launching of applications, or do they have to communicate, exchange data, launch each other, create together one document or more general control one process, and lots of more questions ;-) cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: progress indicator in a mod_python script
Rajarshi wrote: Hi, I have a web application built using mod_python.Currently it behaves like a standard CGI - gets data from a form, performs a query on a backend database and presents a HTML page. However the query can sometimes take a bit of time and I'd like to show the user some form of indeterminate progress indicator (spinning dashes etc). My searching seems to indicate that this is based on some form of asynchronous calls (AJAX) and I'm not sure how I can achieve this effect in my mod_python app. Any pointers to achieve this would be very appreciated. Thanks, If you want real progress than you must do it with some asynchronous communications via XMLRPC or sockets. You can simulate progress by doing a little client-side javascript and include a progressive GIF. There are a bunch of them available here: http://www.ajaxload.info/ -Larry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why canNOT import from a local directory ?
Jia Lu wrote: Hi all I created a folder named *lib* and put a py file *lib.py* in it. In the upper folder I created a py file as: CODE import lib.lib def main(): __doc__ lib.lib.test() # if __name__ == __main__: main() But I got an error : #.:python main.py Traceback (most recent call last): File main.py, line 6, in ? import lib.lib ImportError: No module named lib.lib Why ? You need to define a file __init__.py in your newly created lib directory. HTH Thin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why canNOT import from a local directory ?
You need to define a file __init__.py in your newly created lib directory. Thank you very much :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: How about debugging this (I wonder will it even make it through?) : class 6??? 6?? = 0 6? ?? ?=10 This question is more or less what a Korean who doesn't speak English would ask if he had to debug a program written in English. (I don't know what it means, just copied over some words from a japanese news site, A Japanese speaking Korean, it seems. :-) Javier -- http://www.texytipografia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
On 18 Mai, 18:42, Javier Bezos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: How about debugging this (I wonder will it even make it through?) : class 6??? 6?? = 0 6? ?? ?=10 This question is more or less what a Korean who doesn't speak English would ask if he had to debug a program written in English. Perhaps, but the treatment by your mail/news software plus the delightful Google Groups of the original text (which seemed intact in the original, although I don't have the fonts for the content) would suggest that not just social or cultural issues would be involved. It's already more difficult than it ought to be to explain to people why they have trouble printing text to the console, for example, and if one considers issues with badly configured text editors putting the wrong character values into programs, even if Python complains about it, there's still going to be some explaining to do. One thing that some people already dislike about Python is the editing discipline required. Although I don't have much time for people whose coding skills involve random edits using badly configured editors, trashing the indentation and the appearance of the code (regardless of the language involved), we do need to consider the need to bring people up to speed gracefully by encouraging the proper use of tools, and so on, all without making it seem really difficult and discouraging people from learning the language. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
namespace question
Hi, If I define a class like so: class myClass: import numpy a = 1 b = 2 c = 3 def myFun(self): print a,b,c return numpy.sin(a) I get the error that the global names a,b,c,numpy are not defined. Fairly straightforward. But if I am going to be writing several methods that keep calling the same variables or using the same functions/classes from numpy, for example, do I have to declare and import those things in each method definition? Is there a better way of doing this? thanks, trevis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (May 16)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Beliavsky wrote: On May 16, 2:45 pm, Cameron Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QOTW: Sometimes you just have to take the path of least distaste. - Grant Edwards I want to choose my words carefully here, so I'm not misunderstood. rest snipped I think Cameron Laird does a good job with the Python digest but blundered here. Why did he highlight a foul comment having nothing to do with Python? In fact it *is* peripherally related, since Gartner are currently doing a survey on dynamic languages, and there was a considerable effort exerted just to make sure that most of the questions actually allowed sensible comparisons between the various languages. Please accept my apology: it's Forrester who are currently undertaking the study on dynamic languages. Anyone interested in helping might look at http://python-advocacy.blogspot.com/2007/05/need-help-in-preparing-for-study-of.html and (now the study is underway) http://python-advocacy.blogspot.com/2007/05/seeking-four-code-samples-for-forrester.html . . . I'll make a few personal comments. I knew the choice of quotes was in questionable taste. I was out to be provocative without being offensive, though. My apologies to Mr. Beliavsky and anyone else I disappointed. On the whole, I still think I constructed the QOTWs appropriately. I have very little patience with The Analysts as a category. I have friends and acquaintances in the business, and I respect them individually. I am VERY skeptical about the sausage they produce at an institutional level, and can only experience its making for a few minutes at a time. I know Gartner and Forrester are different--they really are. For me, the differences pale in comparison to the dreary simi- larities. Many of the questions Forrester asks are ones that recur here in comp.lang.python (and elsewhere). I think it's a *great* time to comment on them in a lasting way, and I've set up URL: http://wiki.python.org/moin/What_applications_that_support_'the_application_lifecycle'_are_available_to_Python_developers%3f to encourage that. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Istvan Albert schrieb: On May 17, 2:30 pm, Gregor Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any difference for you in debugging this code snippets? class Türstock(object): Of course there is, how do I type the ü ? (I can copy/paste for example, but that gets old quick). I doubt that you can debug the code without Unicode chars. It seems that you do no understand German and therefore you do not know what the purpose of this program is. Can you tell me if there is an error in the snippet without Unicode? I would refuse to try do debug a program that I do not understand. Avoiding Unicode does not help a bit in this regard. Gregor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A best approach to a creating specified http post body
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I guess I meant something different by using body- I meant request data part and not the thing sent in ulr string. You should specify better what you need yes. See, to send POST information in an http request, you can do the following... urllib2.urlopen(myurl, data=postbody) ...being postbody a string with the information you want to send, for example Hello world, a=5no=yes, or \n\n\r\tMMalichorhoh829dh9ho2 So, you need help building a post body, or you need building a string? Regards, -- . Facundo . Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/plog/ PyAr: http://www.python.org/ar/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Stef Mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took a look at Eclipse page you mentioned but after reading the first page I still don't understand what you mean (and I never read beyond the first page ;-). With a plugin system, I can think of a complete operating system, or I can think of something like a DTP, or simply Word, or I can think of something like Signal WorkBench etc. The approach taken by Eclipse is exactly like that taken by emacs so many years ago of creating a minimalist framework that offers a bare bones user interface and services for running libraries. Everything else is a plug-in library that changes the behavior of that interface. So if you want an editor for language foo, you would customize a view interface to display foo objects, and an editor interface to display and modify foo text. You might customize other view objects to display documentation, compilation, and debugging information. (The fact that Eclipse and emacs are both rather lean programs is obsucred by the sheer quantity of plug-ins that have become a part of the standard installation.) cheers, Stef Mientki -- Kirk Job Sluder -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: List Moderator
On May 18, 9:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're probably right, but this week has been pretty bad. Every few posts there's another porn or boob related link. Sheesh! Mike I wish Google Groups were enhanced to let users block messages according to (1) keywords (2) average ranking of the message on Google groups. (3) sender name There are Python experts who work at Google ... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
On May 16, 11:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_. The main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not the bugs in our tools. Our problem is - we yet have to find any example of high-traffic, scalable web-site written entirely in Python. We know that YouTube is a suspect, but we don't know what specific python web solution was used there. TurboGears, Django and Pylons are all nice, and provides rich features - probably too many for us - but, as far as we understand, they don't satisfy the stability requirement - Pylons and Django hasn't even reached 1.0 version yet. And their provide too thick layer - we want something 'closer to metal', probably similar to web.py - unfortunately, web.py doesn't satisfy the stability requirement either, or so it seems. So the question is: what is a solid way to serve dynamic web pages in python? Our initial though was something like python + mod_python + Apache, but we're told that mod_python is 'scary and doesn't work very well'. AFAIK mod_python is solid and works well, but YMMV of course. If you want rock solid stability, you want a framework where there is little development going on. In that case, I have a perfect match for your requirements: Quixote. It has been around for ages, it is the most bug free framework I have seen and it *very* scalable. For instance http://www.douban.com is a Quixote-powered chinese site with more than 2 millions of pages served per day. To quote from a message on the Quixote mailing list: Just to report-in the progress we're making with a real-world Quixote installation: yesterday douban.com celebrated its first 2 million- pageview day. Quixote generated 2,058,207 page views. In addition, there're about 640,000 search-engine requests. These put the combined requests at around 2.7 millions. All of our content pages are dynamic, including the help and about-us pages. We're still wondering if we're the busiest one of all the python/ruby supported websites in the world. Quixote runs on one dual-core home-made server (costed us US$1500). We have three additional servers dedicated to lighttpd and mysql. We use memcached extensively as well. Douban.com is the most visible python establishment on the Chinese web, so there's been quite a few django vs. quixote threads in the Chinese language python user mailing lists. Michele Simionato -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: namespace question
T. Crane wrote: Hi, If I define a class like so: class myClass: import numpy a = 1 b = 2 c = 3 def myFun(self): print a,b,c return numpy.sin(a) I get the error that the global names a,b,c,numpy are not defined. Fairly straightforward. But if I am going to be writing several methods that keep calling the same variables or using the same functions/classes from numpy, for example, do I have to declare and import those things in each method definition? Is there a better way of doing this? Put your imports at the module level. I'm not sure what you intended with a, b, c so let's also put them at the top level. import numpy a = 1 b = 2 c = 4 class myClass: def myFun(self): print a, b, c return numpy.sin(a) OTOH, if a, b, c were supposed to be attached to the class so they could be overridden in subclasses, or be default values for instances, you can leave them in the class definition, but access them through self or myClass directly. import numpy class myClass: a = 1 b = 2 c = 4 def myFun(self): print self.a, self.b, myClass.c return numpy.sin(self.a) -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Server signature is usually configurable. Yeah, but I don't know why it's configured it that way. A good example of a question that looks perfectly appropriate for YouTube's OSCON session. Actually, the fact that http://www.youtube.com/results.php returns legitimate content might be explainable by the fact that youtube was started as a PHP app so they might provide this URL for backward compatibility although today there is no PHP at all. See the abstract of Mike Solomon's OSCON talk: YouTube began as a small PHP application. [...] http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/view/e_sess/13435 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Stef Mientki wrote: I took a look at Eclipse page you mentioned but after reading the first page I still don't understand what you mean (and I never read beyond the first page ;-). Well, what can I say ... ;) With a plugin system, I can think of a complete operating system, or I can think of something like a DTP, or simply Word, or I can think of something like Signal WorkBench etc. Yes exactly. As I said: Nothing in particular. Just an environment that loads and unloads little bits if functionality, whatever those may be. I think what most people think of when they hear plugin is: An Application that can be extended. An RCP provides no more than the next step: No monolithic app, just plugins (which can have plugins themselves (which can have plugins themselves (which ...))). Write a text editor component and use it in your music-sequencer that also monitors your internet-activity, if you must. I think if you don't express what all of the tasks of that framework will be, it's not well possible to create one. Oh, but it is! Eclipse is such a framework. Pitty is, it's written in Java. ;) Do you want just launching of applications, or do they have to communicate, exchange data, launch each other, create together one document or more general control one process, and lots of more questions ;-) Who knows? Thats the beauty of it. Eclipse has been conceived as an IDE/Text-Editor. But now it is just a platform for others to build plugins for. Such as an IDE. There are plans to make an eclipse-based general PIM (called Haystack, I think). The concept is very simple, but for some reason, highly unusual at present. I'm pretty sure that this will change sooner or later. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
Paul Boddie schrieb: Perhaps, but the treatment by your mail/news software plus the delightful Google Groups of the original text (which seemed intact in the original, although I don't have the fonts for the content) would suggest that not just social or cultural issues would be involved. I do not see the point. If my editor or newsreader does display the text correctly or not is no difference for me, since I do not understand a word of it anyway. It's a meaningless stream of bits for me. It's save to assume that for people who are finding this meaningful their setup will display it correctly. Otherwise they could not work with their computer anyway. Until now I did not find a single Computer in my German domain who cannot display: ß. Gregor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: John Nagle a écrit : Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_. The main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not the bugs in our tools. You may not be happy with Python, then. John, I'm really getting tired of your systemic and totally unconstructive criticism. If *you* are not happy with Python, by all means use another language. Denying the existence of the problem won't fix it. Many of the basic libraries for web related functions do have problems. Even standard modules like urllib and SSL are buggy, and have been for years. Outside the standard modules, it gets worse, especially for ones with C components. Version incompatibility for extensions is a serious problem. That's reality. It's a good language, but the library situation is poor. Python as a language is better than Perl, but CPAN is better run than Cheese Shop. As a direct result of this, neither the Linux distro builders like Red Hat nor major hosting providers provide Python environments that just work. That's reality. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3131: Supporting Non-ASCII Identifiers
This question is more or less what a Korean who doesn't speak English would ask if he had to debug a program written in English. Perhaps, but the treatment by your mail/news software plus the delightful Google Groups of the original text (which seemed intact in the original, although I don't have the fonts for the content) would suggest that not just social or cultural issues would be involved. The fact my Outlook changed the text is irrelevant for something related to Python. And just remember how Google mangled the intentation of Python code some time ago. This was a technical issue which has been solved, and no doubt my laziness (I didn't switch to Unicode) won't prevent non-ASCII identifiers be properly showed in general. Javier - http://www.texytipografia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: (Modular-)Application Framework / Rich-Client-Platform in Python
Peter Wang wrote: Actually, just this week, we completed a major SVN reorganization and from this point forward, all of the libraries in ETS will be released as eggs. In fact, eggs have been available for a long time for python 2.4, and now we have them for python 2.5 as well. I'm not sure, but you guys seem a bit Windows-centric. I have yet to find out if the egg-approach actually works for Linux (and Mac, though I don't use it) as well. I've seen some mentioning of binary dependencies, which makes me frown a bit. We'll just see. The Eclipse in python you're looking for is actually called Envisage, and it is part of ETS: https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/Envisage The Dev Guide has some tutorials etc.: https://svn.enthought.com/enthought/wiki/EnvisageDevGuide Yeah, I've been reading through that for the past couple of hours, seems pretty sweet and reasonably simple. I can see your reorg, by the way: The example .py files are not where they're advertised to be. Better be quick with that, even solid software with buggy documentation is buggy software ... ;) Chime in on the mailing list if you have any questions. It's pretty active and many people on it have lots of experience with Envisage. I'm almost sure I will :) c.u. /w -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Regexes: How to handle escaped characters
Hallöchen! Charles Sanders writes: Torsten Bronger wrote: [...] Example string: uHollo, escaped positions: [4]. Thus, the second o is escaped and must not be found be the regexp searches. Instead of re.search, I call the function guarded_search(pattern, text, offset) which takes care of escaped caracters. Thus, while I'm still pretty much a beginner, and I am not sure of the exact requirements, but the following seems to work for at least simple cases when overlapping matches are not considered. def guarded_search( pattern, text, exclude ): return [ m for m in re.finditer(pattern,text) if not [ e for e in exclude if m.start() = e m.end() ] ] Yes, this seems to do the trick, thank you! Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for ICQ, MSN, etc.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
Alex Martelli wrote:
Jarek Zgoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel Nogradi napisa?(a):
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd,
not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd.
How do you explain these, then:
http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx
http://www.youtube.com/results.php
http://www.youtube.com/results.py
Server signature is usually configurable.
Yeah, but I don't know why it's configured it that way. A good example
of a question that looks perfectly appropriate for YouTube's OSCON
session.
YouTube's home page is PHP. Try www.youtube.com/index.php.
That works, while the obvious alternatives don't.
If you look at the page HTML, you'll see things like
a href=/login?next=/index.php
onclick=_hbLink('LogIn','UtilityLinks');Log In/a
So there's definitely PHP inside YouTube.
If you look at the HTML for YouTube pages, there seem to be two
drastically different styles. Some pages begin with !-- machid: 169 --,
and have their CSS stored in external files. Those seem to be generated
by PHP. Other pages start with
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8,
with no machine ID. It looks like the stuff associated with
accounts and logging in is on the second system (Python?) while the
search and view related functions are on the PHP system.
Shortly after Google bought YouTube, they replaced YouTube's search
engine (which was terrible) with one of their own. At that time,
Google search syntax, like -, started working. That's probably
when the shift to PHP happened.
John Nagle
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Anti-Aliasing in wxPython?
Hi everybody i'm wondering if there's a way to enable Anti-Aliasing for the Graphics Object in wxPython. in Java i do this: ((Graphics2D)g).setRenderingHint(RenderingHints.KEY_ANTIALIASING, RenderingHints.VALUE_ANTIALIAS_ON); i haven't found anything like this in wxPython yet. Thanks Alex -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites
John Nagle wrote:
YouTube's home page is PHP. Try www.youtube.com/index.php.
That works, while the obvious alternatives don't.
If you look at the page HTML, you'll see things like
a href=/login?next=/index.php
onclick=_hbLink('LogIn','UtilityLinks');Log In/a
So there's definitely PHP inside YouTube.
Not sure; that next field is just the URL of the page you're on,
inserted into the output HTML. It's index.php because the page was
index.php.
But it's an Apache server, with all the usual Apache messages.
John Nagle
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