PyHou January -- Python Teach and Learn! (Houston, Texas, USA)
Announcing a new Meetup for PyHou - Houston Python Enthusiasts!! What: PyHou - Python Teach and Learn! When: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:00 PM Where: Stag's Head Pub 2128 Portsmouth St Houston, TX 77098 713-533-1199 Hello Pythonistas! January's Python Teach and Learn Meetup will focus on a back-to-basics approach, with a twist! At this session, we will ask our novices newcomers to pair up with experts for individual or small group QA and demos. Know anyone who wants to get started with Python, but isn't quite sure how to jump in? Been interested in the Meetup, but was afraid it was too technical? (hint: it's not!) Looking to brush up on your basics? Ready for more Python awesomeness? Format: We'll start with a 15-minute tour covering the Python documentation and essential references. Afterwards, we'll pair-up/group-up and work through some core concepts. Novices: Bring your questions! Need some help with the basics? Stuck with some tricky material? We'll try to help! Experts: Please come! Everyone's an expert in some areas but a novice in others, so we'll rearrange as necessary, and your input is invaluable! Everyone: If possible, bring your laptop with charged battery and Python installed. (We'll have installers for Mac and Windows available if needed). This is our first time with this format for our Meetup, so input and suggestions are welcome and appreciated!! As usual, we'll save time at the end for general Python geekiness and catching-up. :-) Our meetup is located at the Stag's Head Pub, near Richmond and Shepherd. Please enjoy their menu and drink offerings, so they continue to enjoy hosting us! Lastly, please RSVP (even if you're a Maybe!) to assist us with capacity planning! RSVP to this Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/python-14/calendar/15753896/ -- Walker Hale walker.hale...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
alsaseq 0.4
Hi all, In this release the module was ported to Python 3, maintaining Python 2 support, and distutils are used now. alsaseq is a Python 3 and Python 2 module that allows to interact with ALSA sequencer clients. It can create an ALSA client, connect to other clients, send and receive ALSA events immediately or at a scheduled time using a sequencer queue. It provides a subset of the ALSA sequencer capabilities in a simplified model. It is implemented in C language and licensed under the Gnu GPL license version 2 or later. Home http://pp.com.mx/python/alsaseq Download http://pp.com.mx/python/alsaseq/alsaseq-0.4.tar.gz Regards, Patricio Páez pp at pp.com.mx -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
Re: FTP problem
'indexftp.barcap.com' only (sans the 'ftp.' prefix) allows me to connect to an FTP server ftp indexftp.barcap.com Connected to usftp.barcap.com. 220-Connected to usftp.barcap.com. 220 FTP server ready. User (usftp.barcap.com:(none)): -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
XL ... i recall, i stopped doing Mathematica in 1998 because it's a XL career dead-end as a programing lang, and dived into the utterly XL idiotic Perl unix mysql world. (See: The Unix Pestilence ◇ Xah XL Lee's Computing Experience (Impression Of Lisp from Mathematica).) I guess you're calling idiotic everything you're too lazy to understand. XL today were under 10 in the 1990s. They wouldn't know what was CGI, and XL no amount of explanation can tell them exactly it was like, because it XL has become HISTORY — if you didn't live it, you can't feel it. CGI is still used in some places today, hello? If spawning a process for each request is what you want to do, it is a way to go. inetd is quite similar to CGI and, guess what, it is still used. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
Zeissmann wrote: Seriously, get off of WoW and go write some code. If you'd spent the last year programming instead of doing your best Xah Lee impression you might have actually made some progress on this. I'm curious, is Xah Lee some sort of a Usenet meme? Cause this is not the first time I see his name in the context of a lightweight invective. AFAIK he's just a guy who thinks Usenet is his blog, and kicks off big rambling threads, cross-posted to infinity that mathematically have probability 0.0 of being on topic in any of the groups they're in. Mel. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
BackupRead problem
I'm trying to create a Backup/Restore app.
I'm really struggeling for a long time.
I can successfully read directories, but not files.
Every time, I'll try I get Access denied, Error 5.
It's running with admin privs.
Any ideas ?
#!python
import sys
import os
import os.path
import getopt
import time
DELETE=0x0001
READ_CONTROL=0x0002
WRITE_DAC=0x0004
WRITE_OWNER=0x0008
SYNCHRONIZE=0x0010
STANDARD_RIGHTS_REQUIRED=0x000FL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_WRITE=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_ALL=0x001F
SPECIFIC_RIGHTS_ALL=0x
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT=0x400
from ctypes import *
if os.name == 'nt':
import win32security
import win32process
import win32file
try:
import win32api
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load win32api module. Can not
continue'
os._exit(1)
try:
import wmi
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load wmi module. Can not continue'
os._exit(1)
try:
import ctypes
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load ctypes module. Can not continue'
os._exit(1)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Sorry, your platform %s is not supported' % os.name
os._exit(1)
if len(sys.argv) = 1:
try:
opts,args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:],'h',('help',))
except getopt.GetoptError,e:
print str(e)
if not ctypes.windll.shell32.IsUserAnAdmin():
win32api.ShellExecute(None,'runas',sys.executable,'
'.join(sys.argv),r'C:\WINDOWS',0)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Running with administrative privileges'
token =
win32security.OpenProcessToken(win32process.GetCurrentProcess(),win32security.TOKEN_ADJUST_PRIVILEGES|win32security.TOKEN_QUERY)
if token:
for priv in
(win32security.SE_BACKUP_NAME,win32security.SE_RESTORE_NAME):
luid = win32security.LookupPrivilegeValue(None,priv)
newState = [(luid,win32security.SE_PRIVILEGE_ENABLED)]
try:
win32security.AdjustTokenPrivileges(token,0,newState)
except:
print sys.stderr,'Could not get (some) required
priviledge(s): ',win32api.FormatMessage(win32api.GetLastError())
os._exit(1)
win32api.CloseHandle(token)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Could not get token for running process'
os._exit(1)
print sys.stderr,'Acquired backup/restore context
(SeRestorePrivilege and SeBackupPrivilege enabled)'
inf =
win32file.CreateFile(r'C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts',READ_CONTROL,0,None,win32file.OPEN_EXISTING,win32file.FILE_FLAG_BACKUP_SEMANTICS,None)
buf = win32file.AllocateReadBuffer(4096)
ctx = 0
(bytes_read,buf,ctx) =
win32file.BackupRead(inf,4096,buf,False,True,ctx)
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Re: Developing a program to make a family tree.
On 2011-01-14, Ata Jafari a.j.romani...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to develop a program like family tree maker. I have all information, so there is no need to search on the net. This must be something like trees. Not really. It's more like a combination of a directed graph and a relational database. Can someone help me? I'm at the beginning. You do know there is already a family-tree-maker program written in Python, right? http://gramps-project.org/ Your time might be better spent working on Gramps... -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
Captain Obvious udode...@users.sourceforge.net writes: XL ... i recall, i stopped doing Mathematica in 1998 because it's a XL career dead-end as a programing lang, and dived into the utterly XL idiotic Perl unix mysql world. (See: The Unix Pestilence ◇ Xah XL Lee's Computing Experience (Impression Of Lisp from Mathematica).) I guess you're calling idiotic everything you're too lazy to understand. That's Xah for you. XL today were under 10 in the 1990s. They wouldn't know what was CGI, and XL no amount of explanation can tell them exactly it was like, because it XL has become HISTORY — if you didn't live it, you can't feel it. CGI is still used in some places today, hello? Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. What? Why is everyone looking at me that way? ;-) sherm-- -- Sherm Pendley http://camelbones.sourceforge.net Cocoa Developer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 2011-01-15, Sherm Pendley sherm.pend...@gmail.com wrote: Captain Obvious udode...@users.sourceforge.net writes: XL ... i recall, i stopped doing Mathematica in 1998 because it's a XL career dead-end as a programing lang, and dived into the utterly XL idiotic Perl unix mysql world. (See: The Unix Pestilence ??? Xah XL Lee's Computing Experience (Impression Of Lisp from Mathematica).) I guess you're calling idiotic everything you're too lazy to understand. That's Xah for you. XL today were under 10 in the 1990s. They wouldn't know what was CGI, and XL no amount of explanation can tell them exactly it was like, because it XL has become HISTORY ??? if you didn't live it, you can't feel it. CGI is still used in some places today, hello? Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. Too bad he couldn't have used it to make a better movie. Did we really need Furngully avec 3D sans funny? -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
CGI is still used in some places today, hello? Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. He used compacted graphite iron in Avatar? I didn't know that. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 2011-01-15, Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: CGI is still used in some places today, hello? Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. He used compacted graphite iron in Avatar? I didn't know that. Is that what unobtanium is? Did anybody else thing Unobtainium was a blatant ripoff of Upsidasium from Rocky and Bullwinkle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsidaisium -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: BackupRead problem
Am 15.01.2011 16:06, schrieb Stefan Sonnenberg-Carstens:
I'm trying to create a Backup/Restore app.
I'm really struggeling for a long time.
I can successfully read directories, but not files.
Every time, I'll try I get Access denied, Error 5.
It's running with admin privs.
Any ideas ?
#!python
import sys
import os
import os.path
import getopt
import time
DELETE=0x0001
READ_CONTROL=0x0002
WRITE_DAC=0x0004
WRITE_OWNER=0x0008
SYNCHRONIZE=0x0010
STANDARD_RIGHTS_REQUIRED=0x000FL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_WRITE=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE=READ_CONTROL
STANDARD_RIGHTS_ALL=0x001F
SPECIFIC_RIGHTS_ALL=0x
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT=0x400
from ctypes import *
if os.name == 'nt':
import win32security
import win32process
import win32file
try:
import win32api
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load win32api module. Can not
continue'
os._exit(1)
try:
import wmi
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load wmi module. Can not continue'
os._exit(1)
try:
import ctypes
except ImportError,e:
print sys.stderr,'Could not load ctypes module. Can not
continue'
os._exit(1)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Sorry, your platform %s is not supported' %
os.name
os._exit(1)
if len(sys.argv) = 1:
try:
opts,args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:],'h',('help',))
except getopt.GetoptError,e:
print str(e)
if not ctypes.windll.shell32.IsUserAnAdmin():
win32api.ShellExecute(None,'runas',sys.executable,'
'.join(sys.argv),r'C:\WINDOWS',0)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Running with administrative privileges'
token =
win32security.OpenProcessToken(win32process.GetCurrentProcess(),win32security.TOKEN_ADJUST_PRIVILEGES|win32security.TOKEN_QUERY)
if token:
for priv in
(win32security.SE_BACKUP_NAME,win32security.SE_RESTORE_NAME):
luid = win32security.LookupPrivilegeValue(None,priv)
newState = [(luid,win32security.SE_PRIVILEGE_ENABLED)]
try:
win32security.AdjustTokenPrivileges(token,0,newState)
except:
print sys.stderr,'Could not get (some) required
priviledge(s): ',win32api.FormatMessage(win32api.GetLastError())
os._exit(1)
win32api.CloseHandle(token)
else:
print sys.stderr,'Could not get token for running process'
os._exit(1)
print sys.stderr,'Acquired backup/restore context
(SeRestorePrivilege and SeBackupPrivilege enabled)'
inf =
win32file.CreateFile(r'C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts',READ_CONTROL,0,None,win32file.OPEN_EXISTING,win32file.FILE_FLAG_BACKUP_SEMANTICS,None)
buf = win32file.AllocateReadBuffer(4096)
ctx = 0
(bytes_read,buf,ctx) =
win32file.BackupRead(inf,4096,buf,False,True,ctx)
MS's documenation sucks.
Just found some code on the web regarding root-kits,
but after changing
win32file.CreateFile(r'C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts',READ_CONTROL,0,None,win32file.OPEN_EXISTING,win32file.FILE_FLAG_BACKUP_SEMANTICS,None)
to
win32file.CreateFile(r'C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts',win32file.GENERIC_READ,0,None,win32file.OPEN_EXISTING,win32file.FILE_FLAG_BACKUP_SEMANTICS,None)
it works.
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Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On Jan 15, 10:38 am, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote: Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. Too bad he couldn't have used it to make a better movie. I don't LOL very often but i must say that i was ROTF after this comment. Avatar was very disappointing (Both in graphics and story) but maybe i expect too much...? I found the look and feel of Beowulf to be more lifelike. Actually if you appreciate great rendering then you may want to check out Despicable Me. The story was utterly atrocious (although slightly interesting at moments) but the render quality rivaled the best Dreamworks i have ever seem! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Fitness data program
Hello folks, I'm trying to improve my Phyton skills with a project: A fitness program that can correlate measurements (weight and size of various body parts), date taken and it has to be able to print a nice graph showing improvements (a la Wii Fit) I was wondering if you could point me in the right path (modules and such), thanks. Antonio Cardenes -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 1/15/2011 8:44 AM Grant Edwards said... On 2011-01-15, Martin v. Loewismar...@v.loewis.de wrote: CGI is still used in some places today, hello? Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. He used compacted graphite iron in Avatar? I didn't know that. Is that what unobtanium is? Did anybody else thing Unobtainium was a blatant ripoff of Upsidasium from Rocky and Bullwinkle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsidaisium No -- I figured he took it directly form the name of the material used to make the MotoGP bikes... Emile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 1/14/2011 1:20 PM, Xah Lee wrote: some extempore thought. Who let the dogs in? John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Developing a program to make a family tree.
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Jon Clements jon...@googlemail.com wrote: Otherwise, you're in for a struggle, as you need to choose a storage back-end, a GUI (wxWindows/GTK/Qt4 etc...), how to handle GEDCOM format (unless it's not going to be compatible with other software), does it need to produce web pages/reports (and in what formats). There are a couple of Python gedcom parsers around: http://ilab.cs.byu.edu/cs460/code/gedcom/gedcom.py https://github.com/dijxtra/simplepyged Katie -- CoderStack http://www.coderstack.co.uk/python-jobs The Software Developer Job Board -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Fitness data program
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Antonio Cardenes antonio.carde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks, I'm trying to improve my Phyton skills with a project: A fitness program that can correlate measurements (weight and size of various body parts), date taken and it has to be able to print a nice graph showing improvements (a la Wii Fit) Scipy + Matplotlib should give you the tools to do correlation stats and graphing. Katie -- CoderStack http://www.coderstack.co.uk/python-jobs The Software Developer Job Board -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Career path - where next?
To all those who answered my original post so far (Jon Clements, Terry Jan Reedy, Philip Semanchuk) - many thanks. Your suggestions have given me a number of avenues to follow. I'll let you know how I get on. Regards, Alan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Fitness data program
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:48:40 +, Katie T wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Antonio Cardenes antonio.carde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks, I'm trying to improve my Phyton skills with a project: A fitness program that can correlate measurements (weight and size of various body parts), date taken and it has to be able to print a nice graph showing improvements (a la Wii Fit) Scipy + Matplotlib should give you the tools to do correlation stats and graphing. Katie Likely you'll want a database, for usernames, dates, weights. Since it's so simple, using sqlite (which doesn't have a running database engine) is a wise choice. There's a python module to help interface. Also you might visit the django website. This sort of project could use a web frontend, since your likely want users to have access to their plots, so logins are required; Remote access (via web) sounds reasonable too. During those early days of shaping up, well, no one else need see my progress. Remember the old adage KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Developing a program to make a family tree.
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ata Jafari a.j.romani...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there. I'm trying to develop a program like family tree maker. I have all information, so there is no need to search on the net. This must be something like trees. Can someone help me? I'm at the beginning. Thanks. I think you are probably coming at this from the wrong direction. Either you want to solve your family tree problem in the easiest way possible in which case there are already packages available or you want to develop this because you want to do the project to learn (more) python, etc. Assuming the later the fact you have to ask the question in the way you did means you are short on software design experience and don't know much about the problem domain (genealogy). Additionally you probably havn't written much code although you came here so you probably have a little experience. That is triple death. You need to hold a couple of those variables stable. I'd suggest finding a existing open source genealogy program and use bug fixing as a way to learn basics about the package and then try to add a feature as a way of learning something about software design. Michael -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Developing a program to make a family tree.
People here guided me to GRAMPS, an open-source software project. Yes, I'm new, and Python is my first programming language. My software should not be only a tree-like one. There are 254 people in this family tree. I'm trying to find another method. But I think it is better to start with contributing to GRAMPS first. Thanks. Ata -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 2011-01-15 08:15:25 -0800, Sherm Pendley said: Captain Obvious udode...@users.sourceforge.net writes: XL ... i recall, i stopped doing Mathematica in 1998 because it's a XL career dead-end as a programing lang, and dived into the utterly XL idiotic Perl unix mysql world. (See: The Unix Pestilence ◇ Xah XL Lee's Computing Experience (Impression Of Lisp from Mathematica).) I guess you're calling idiotic everything you're too lazy to understand. That's Xah for you. It's a bad sign when people use your name as a running joke in multiple mailing lists (outside the ones regularly posted in, specificaly I noticed this in one of the web framework lists) to mean silly/stupid comments with no basis in reality. — Alice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On 2011-01-15 08:55:47 -0800, rantingrick said: On Jan 15, 10:38 am, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote: Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. Too bad he couldn't have used it to make a better movie. I found the graphics impressive; the blue people was merely an effort to avoid a more clear representation of the Na'vi as North American indigenous people. Avatar was very disappointing (Both in graphics and story) but maybe i expect too much...? The story was clearly Pocahontas… in Space!, which was very disappointing. I found the look and feel of Beowulf to be more lifelike. That's just the naked Angelina Jolie in your brain talking. ;) — Alice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On Jan 15, 4:22 pm, Alice Bevan–McGregor al...@gothcandy.com wrote: That's just the naked Angelina Jolie in your brain talking. ;) must...keep...hands...on...keyboard :-O . . . . . . . . OPPS! ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Regex url
Hi, I try to match the following url with one regex /hello /hello/ /hello/world /hello/world/ world is a variable, I can put toto instead Thanks ! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Regex url
On 16/01/2011 01:48, Jean-Francois wrote: Hi, I try to match the following url with one regex /hello /hello/ /hello/world /hello/world/ world is a variable, I can put toto instead The regex is: ^/hello(?:/(?:[a-z]+/?)?)$ Its meaning is: start of string characters /hello optional: character / optional: one or more: one of: a .. z optional: character / end of string If it's not what you want, you need to be more specific. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Regex url
On 01/15/2011 08:48 PM, Jean-Francois wrote: Hi, I try to match the following url with one regex /hello /hello/ /hello/world /hello/world/ world is a variable, I can put toto instead Thanks ! What was the regex you tried, and where did it fail? I'm no re guru, but here's my go at it: (/hello/?(%s)?/?) % var Interpreter session: Python 2.6.6 (r266:84292, Sep 15 2010, 16:22:56) [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import re var = toto pat = re.compile((/hello/?(%s)?/?) % var) pat.match(/hello/toto) _sre.SRE_Match object at 0x7f53baf25938 pat.match(/hello) _sre.SRE_Match object at 0x7f53baf25c68 pat.match(/hello/) _sre.SRE_Match object at 0x7f53baf25938 pat.match(/hello/toto/) _sre.SRE_Match object at 0x7f53baf25c68 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
On Jan 15, 5:22 pm, Alice Bevan–McGregor al...@gothcandy.com wrote: On 2011-01-15 08:55:47 -0800, rantingrick said: On Jan 15, 10:38 am, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote: Yeah, James Cameron made a *ton* of money using it to make Avatar. Too bad he couldn't have used it to make a better movie. I found the graphics impressive; the blue people was merely an effort to avoid a more clear representation of the Na'vi as North American indigenous people. Avatar was very disappointing (Both in graphics and story) but maybe i expect too much...? The story was clearly Pocahontas… in Space!, which was very disappointing. I have to disagree.. without writing a dozen pages of my thoughts on Avatar, I think this comment from Metafilter sums it up best: http://www.metafilter.com/88197/Even-better-without-special-effects#2897157 a href=http://www.metafilter.com/88197/Even-better-without-special- effects#2897157link/a -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
On Jan 14, 3:37 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: If you'd spent the last year programming instead of doing your best Xah Lee impression you might have actually made some progress on this. Well Geremy the very first step a wise developer employs is to get an idea of what the masses want and what they don't want. Nobody wants to waste a second (much less a whole year) developing a wxPython stdlib module when the powers that be won't even *entertain* the idea of a wxPython stdlib module. Most every Python programmer (noob to pro) understands that while Tkinter is a great starter GUI module eventually you hit the glass ceiling. However for some strange and quite ridiculous reason they insist on keeping Tkinter alive forever. I am at a loss here. Interviewer: So how do you feel about Tkinter? Python Community: Well Tkinter sucks what more can i say? Interviewer: Ok so maybe we should replace Tkinter with something better then? Python Community: What? Are you stupid? No it sucks but we will keep it! And that is that! I have spoken! Interviewer: So let me get this strait fella... You hate Tkinter, and most of your constituents won't even bother to use it because they hate it also *however* you just want to let it rot in the stdlib like some aging hero of boredom and booze? Python Community: Pretty much. Yea. Interviewer: Sounds like a Masochistic psychosis to me. Python Community: ad hominem!, ad hominem! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
After C++, what with Python?
Hey all, I am a college student, and at college, we did most of the work in C/C++. I kind of stopped using C when I learned C++ (simply because C++ seemed a natural/elegant choice to me, and had backward compatibility with C). I've had a lot of experience with C++. Recently, I was on the path to learn a new programming language, and after suggestion of some of my friends and consulting the web, I chose to proceed with Python. I've finished with core Python and now I'm going through the various inbuilt packages that Python provides. I have an inquisitive mind, and while programming, I always want/tend to make something that is out of the box. It would be great if you people could guide me as to what to proceed with and how. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: do you know what's CGI? (web history personal story)
Avatar was very disappointing (Both in graphics and story) but maybe i expect too much...? The story was clearly Pocahontas… in Space!, which was very disappointing. I have to disagree.. Loly. At this point, i must voice Xah's Point Of View. 〈Avatar and District 9 Movie Review〉 http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/skina/avatar.html -- Avatar and District 9 Movie Review Xah Lee, 2010-01-07 -- Avatar Went to watch the movie Avatar (2009 film) in theater today. Boo. On a scale of 1 to 10, i'd say this is no more than 7. This movie is totally predicable, stereotypical, intellectually shallow. The 3D effect isn't impressive at all, and about the only thing that is positive about this movie is the imaginative flora and fauna. This movies garnered raving reviews, both by critics as well as being a highly successful money maker. But it's so disappointing to me that i have to think about where to begin. -- 3D Effect Ok, lets begin at some easy criticisms, the 3D tech. I recall, back in late 1970s or early 1980s when i was about 10 or so, my mom's mom took me to see one of the first 3D film, in Taiwan, a kung fu film. I vividly recall that i physically dodged when the weapons swung towards me from the screen. Yeah, a lot people did that. That, is the effect of good 3D on you. But now, after 30 years, one'd suppose that the 3D tech has improved vastly, which it has. However, watching Avatar, i hardly get ANY 3D sense at all. In fact, i absolutely don't feel any 3D sense, perhaps a little, if i force my self to feel it, thru its 3D glasses. (I did not watch it on iMax) What's wrong? I don't know. Perhaps the 3D tech is different. I don't remember which 3D films i've watched back 30 years ago, but am guessing that some 3D tech are designed to have a exaggerated perspectivity, and am guessing the 3D tech used in this movie is designed to be more mellow or wide angle. But over all, i say bah. -- Predicable Ok, now i might disclose some of this movie's plot, and so here's your “spoiler” warning, but, the movie is so formula driven and stereotypical that it doesn't matter much. The movie, in one sentence, is about Western powers with high tech wanting to take over gold from some primitive, indigenous people, for their riches in their land. Yeah, that's it. And, yes, there's a hero, who gradually realized that this isn't right, and fell in love with one of the beautiful chick from the indigenous people (you guessed right, the daughter of a chieftain!), and saved the tribe, with the help of local animals and magical nature. The movies runs 2.5 hours. I didn't particular cry “move on already” at any point, but nor did the long movie had my attention wholly seized. There are no characters. All are shallow. The bad guys, in this case, the corporation head and the head of marines, are just what they are. The corporation head has eyes on gold, and that's his only concern. The marines head has bulky muscles, and is all about toughness. The hero, is just that, with good heart, and handsome to boot, courageous, always miraculously succeeds against all odds, and gets his girl. The heroin, in this case a alien race chick, is of course beautiful as much beauty we can put on a feline humanoid. And what's she like? Well, a beautiful woman, with concerns of loyalty of her man, love of her family, her people, a caring of nature. Actually had sex with the half-human half-alien hero. (inter-species porn anyone?) -- Where is the Science in Sci-Fi? What about the story line? Well, the human animals want this million- dollar land inhabited by primitive tribes. The human animals created what's called a “avatar”, which is a humanoid creature grown from bio- tubes that has mixed DNA from humans and the native feline-like humanoid aliens. The avatar is connected and controlled by a sleeping human. When one is awake, the other goes to sleep. Thru the avatars, it is thought that they can persuade the feline humanoids to move out. But the diplomatic cunning didn't work out, of course, and violence is resorted to. The hero fell in love with the heroin, and grew the sense of American Justice, and defended the primitive feline-humanoids with the help of miracle nature. The Sci-Fi aspect of the avatar concept is all interesting. How does the avatar work? How's it grown? How long does it take? How's the technology to control or connect it? What's the biology of the alien? What they eat? Well, this movie isn't concerned about these things, only that these settings qualify it as Sci-Fi flick. Another interesting aspect of sci-fi is that the plants and animals on this alien place have some sort bio-wire grown from their body, that allows direct animal-to-animal communication or animal-to-plant. For example, the feline-humanoid can connect her bio-wire grown from her
Re: After C++, what with Python?
On 1/15/2011 9:30 PM, Aman wrote: Hey all, I am a college student, and at college, we did most of the work in C/C++. I kind of stopped using C when I learned C++ (simply because C++ seemed a natural/elegant choice to me, and had backward compatibility with C). I've had a lot of experience with C++. Recently, I was on the path to learn a new programming language, and after suggestion of some of my friends and consulting the web, I chose to proceed with Python. I've finished with core Python and now I'm going through the various inbuilt packages that Python provides. I have an inquisitive mind, and while programming, I always want/tend to make something that is out of the box. It would be great if you people could guide me as to what to proceed with and how. If you know C++ well, and have a computer science background. Python is trivial. Here's what you need to know: It's a safe dynamically typed imperative object oriented language, with explicit classes. The language is declaration-free and block structure is defined by indentation. Threading is supported but thread concurrency is marginal. The most common implementation is a naive interpreter with reference counting backed up by a mark and sweep garbage collector. Performance is about 1/60 of optimized C code. That's Python. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: After C++, what with Python?
@nagle Means you are suggesting me not to proceed with Python because I've had experience with C++? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: After C++, what with Python?
On 1/15/2011 10:48 PM, Aman wrote: @nagle Means you are suggesting me not to proceed with Python because I've had experience with C++? No, Python is quite useful, but on the slow side. If you're I/O bound, not time critical, or otherwise not performance constrained, it's quite useful. The language is really quite good, but there's some excessive dynamism which has caused every attempt at an optimizing implementation to fail. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
On 1/15/2011 11:17 PM, rantingrick wrote: Well Geremy the very first step a wise developer employs is to get an idea of what the masses want and what they don't want. 'The masses' have so far been divided on what alternative they might want. In any case, open source developers are typically scratching their own itches, which may are may not be influenced by 'the masses'. Nobody wants to waste a second (much less a whole year) developing a wxPython stdlib module when the powers that be won't even *entertain* the idea of a wxPython stdlib module. As far as I know, no one has ever seriously proposed any replacement for tkinter in at least the last ten years. There has been nothing to entertain, review, or discuss, let alone approve or reject. (And if you propose to the PSF that developer X contribute his code, the answer will be to talk to developer X instead.) 'gui' does not appear in any PEP title (except as part of 'guide' or 'guideline'. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: After C++, what with Python?
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Aman aman.6...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am a college student, and at college, we did most of the work in C/C++. I kind of stopped using C when I learned C++ (simply because C++ seemed a natural/elegant choice to me, and had backward compatibility with C). I've had a lot of experience with C++. Recently, I was on the path to learn a new programming language, and after suggestion of some of my friends and consulting the web, I chose to proceed with Python. I've finished with core Python and now I'm going through the various inbuilt packages that Python provides. I have an inquisitive mind, and while programming, I always want/tend to make something that is out of the box. It would be great if you people could guide me as to what to proceed with and how. Here's what I would do: 1. Start off slow; reimplement things you've written in other languages until you're sure that you understand how Python constructs differ from superficially similar things in C/C++. 2. Once you've done that, pick a few small tasks (things you would expect to take about one or two weeks to finish), write all the high-level architectural code, and then put together a test harness for them using either unittest[0] or doctest[1]. Pick the one you're most confident you can write the code for and keep at it until you pass all your tests. Using the lessons learned from that, refactor the code of the others and iterate until you feel comfortable thinking about Python at a high level. As a bonus, you also now have a set of medium-scale projects with good test harnesses to show off. 3. After you've convinced yourself you know how to write Python, learn to read other peoples' Python code. Look for small projects (1-5 KLOC) with 'easy' bugs, get familiar with them, and fix those bugs. It isn't a race- make sure your work is high-quality, well-tested, and well documented before you send it to the maintainers. As yet another bonus, if those patches get accepted you'll be able to tell that to potential employers. At this point you'll probably have a much better idea of what you'd like to do moving forward- you'll probably have found out what kinds of problems you find interesting, which ones you have an aptitude for, and what kinds of environments you like. In other words, you'll be much better off than the vast majority of your peers ;) Geremy Condra [0]: http://docs.python.org/library/unittest.html [1]: http://docs.python.org/library/doctest.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team, I'm very happy to announce the first release candidate of Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is a continuation of the efforts to improve and stabilize the Python 3.x line. Since the final release of Python 2.7, the 2.x line will only receive bugfixes, and new features are developed for 3.x only. Since PEP 3003, the Moratorium on Language Changes, is in effect, there are no changes in Python's syntax and built-in types in Python 3.2. Development efforts concentrated on the standard library and support for porting code to Python 3. Highlights are: * numerous improvements to the unittest module * PEP 3147, support for .pyc repository directories * PEP 3149, support for version tagged dynamic libraries * PEP 3148, a new futures library for concurrent programming * PEP 384, a stable ABI for extension modules * PEP 391, dictionary-based logging configuration * an overhauled GIL implementation that reduces contention * an extended email package that handles bytes messages * a much improved ssl module with support for SSL contexts and certificate hostname matching * a sysconfig module to access configuration information * additions to the shutil module, among them archive file support * many enhancements to configparser, among them mapping protocol support * improvements to pdb, the Python debugger * countless fixes regarding bytes/string issues; among them full support for a bytes environment (filenames, environment variables) * many consistency and behavior fixes for numeric operations For a more extensive list of changes in 3.2, see http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html To download Python 3.2 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2/ Please consider trying Python 3.2 with your code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0yn1QACgkQN9GcIYhpnLDTdACgqQYW5ZmTLlxmppBZItprSj7I TmAAn13lgnu9TdVy0Jln7VwOt5JW9CwL =VZ3p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[issue9532] pipe.read hang, when calling commands.getstatusoutput in multi-threading code of python 2.4
Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment: After trying to reproduce this bug in 2.7.1 3.2b2 and failing, I think this should be closed (even the OP couldn't reproduce it in anything other than 2.4). -- nosy: +rosslagerwall ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue9532 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1535504] CGIHTTPServer doesn't handle path names with embeded space
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Right, closing this one too. Thanks! -- resolution: - wont fix status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1535504 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1602] windows console doesn't print or input Unicode
sorin sorin.sbar...@gmail.com added the comment: remeber that cp65001 cannot be set on windows. Also please read http://blogs.msdn.com/b/michkap/archive/2010/10/07/10072032.aspx and contact the author, Michael Kaplan from Microsoft, if you have more questions. I'm sure he will be glad to help. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1602 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: I agree that the difference in behavior between the two functions is unfortunate, but that's unlikely to change now. The least we can do is make the documentation precise. I'm attaching a proposed patch to Doc/c-api/object.rst Nick/Terry/Georg - if this looks OK I can commit. -- keywords: +easy, patch nosy: +eli.bendersky, ncoghlan, terry.reedy -Devin Jeanpierre type: - behavior Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file20413/issue10912.py3k.1.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Sure. -- nosy: +georg.brandl ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Committed the fix to py3k in r88009 -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Backport to release31 branch in r88010 -- resolution: - fixed status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10913] Deprecate PyEval_AcquireLock() and PyEval_ReleaseLock()
New submission from Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: These two functions are very low-level and no good to use outside the interpreter core (actually, inside the core I don't think they are useful either). We should deprecate them and recommend the thread-state aware functions instead. See #1720250 for an example confusion. -- assignee: pitrou components: Documentation messages: 126324 nosy: grahamd, pitrou priority: high severity: normal status: open title: Deprecate PyEval_AcquireLock() and PyEval_ReleaseLock() type: behavior versions: Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10913 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue8754] ImportError: quote bad module name in message
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Won't make it into 3.2. -- priority: deferred blocker - high versions: +Python 3.3 -Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8754 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Anything left to do here, Senthil? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3243 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10913] Deprecate PyEval_AcquireLock() and PyEval_ReleaseLock()
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Done in r88018. -- resolution: - fixed stage: - committed/rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10913 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10914] Python sub-interpreter test
New submission from Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: Here is a prototype test for embedding and sub-interpreters. -- components: Interpreter Core, Tests files: embedtest.patch keywords: patch messages: 126328 nosy: christian.heimes, grahamd, haypo, loewis, pitrou priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Python sub-interpreter test versions: Python 3.2, Python 3.3 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file20414/embedtest.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10914 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1977] Python reinitialization test
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: See also #10914. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1977 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment: For the record, the gory details as to *why* RichCompareBool makes more assumptions as to the meaning of equality than the basic RichCompare function can be found in issue 4296 (I just found that issue myself by looking at Mark's response to the python-list thread). It may be worth explicitly pointing out that use cases where this assumption is unacceptable would be better served by direct invocation RichCompare function. -- nosy: +mark.dickinson ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Nick, I read the protocol of issue 4296 and I understand the reasoning behind the code, but I still think the naming is mightily confusing. Two distinct changes went into a single function (A) Return -1/0/+1 instead of PyObject and (B) the id() shortcut, and its name is inappropriate. Were an API change feasible, some other naming would be better. It may be worth explicitly pointing out that use cases where this assumption is unacceptable would be better served by direct invocation RichCompare function. Do you mean write it down in the docs? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment: Yeah, to prevent perfectly reasonable why questions, it is probably worth providing a little extra justification as an addendum to your new note (which is already an improvement on the complete silence on the topic that existed before). A possible addition: ... This assumption allows invariants such as x in [x] to be more easily guaranteed by the interpreter. If the assumption is not valid for a given use case, call PyObject_RichCompare() directly instead of using this function. For 3.3, it *may* make sense to provide a PyObject_RichCompareBoolEx() function which includes an additional reflexive parameter. Then the existing PyObject_RichCompareBool() semantics would just be the new function with the reflexive argument set to 1. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
New submission from Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: It should be relatively easy to devise a new PyGILState API with support for multiple interpreters. We just need two new functions (similar to the two existing ones) taking a PyInterpreterState* parameter; a TLS key can be added to the PyInterpreterState structure (instead of the current global TLS key). It will be up to the caller to know which interpreter they want to hook into when calling these functions (which is application-dependent and is normally well-defined, e.g. when calling a Python callback, you should call it with the interpreter which was in use when registering the callback (i.e. ``PyThreadState_Get()-interp``)). -- components: Interpreter Core messages: 126333 nosy: amaury.forgeotdarc, grahamd, loewis, pitrou priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters type: feature request versions: Python 3.3 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
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[issue10914] Python sub-interpreter test
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[issue10916] mmap segfault
New submission from Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com: If a mmap length 0 is used and an offset is used as well, the size to mmap() is calculated as the size of the file instead of the size of the file minus offset. This means that trying to access a certain part does not result in an index error but a segfault (bus error). Attached is a patch that fixes the issue + a unit test. -- components: Extension Modules files: mmap.patch keywords: patch messages: 126334 nosy: amaury.forgeotdarc, loewis, pitrou, r.david.murray, rosslagerwall priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: mmap segfault type: crash versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file20415/mmap.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10916 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue5800] make wsgiref.headers.Headers accept empty constructor
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[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Here is a sketch, including conversion of ctypes to the new API. Converting sqlite would require a bit more work. -- keywords: +patch Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file20416/gilstateinterp.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue9532] pipe.read hang, when calling commands.getstatusoutput in multi-threading code of python 2.4
Changes by R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com: -- resolution: - out of date stage: - committed/rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue9532 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10908] Improvements to trace._Ignore
SilentGhost ghost@gmail.com added the comment: The patch aside from fixing directory names on case-insensitive file systems, also: * implements more efficient handling of directory and module comparison (put into _Ignoore.__init__ instead of _Ignore.names). * changes integer return codes to boolean * doesn't require any more that the directory is actually a directory name. * moves --ignore-dir processing into a directory so that it can be expanded if $prefix support on windows is needed. * adds tests. -- stage: - patch review ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10908 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10916] mmap segfault
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Thanks for the patch. Committed in r88022 (3.2), r88023 (3.1) and r88024 (2.7). -- resolution: - fixed stage: - committed/rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10916 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10896] trace module compares directories as strings (--ignore-dir)
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[issue10908] Improvements to trace._Ignore
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[issue10896] trace module compares directories as strings (--ignore-dir)
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[issue10908] Improvements to trace._Ignore
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[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Changes by Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: Removed file: http://bugs.python.org/file20416/gilstateinterp.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Changes by Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: -- stage: needs patch - patch review Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file20417/gilstateinterp.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10694] zipfile.py end of central directory detection not robust
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[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
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[issue8746] os.chflags() and os.lchflags() are not built when they should be be
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[issue10736] test_ttk_guionly fails on OS X using ActiveState Tcl 8.5.9 (Cocoa)
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[issue10734] test_ttk failure under Windows
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[issue8957] strptime(.., '%c') fails to parse output of strftime('%c', ..) in some locales
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Eli Bendersky rep...@bugs.python.org wrote: .. This solution is a hack, but so is the whole __calc_date_time function :-) [IMHO] I am not sure how to proceed. On one hand, I opened this issue to demonstrate that the current implementation is flawed, on the other hand, Eli has succeeded in improving the hack so that we can live with it a bit longer. Note that I did not have any real life application that would misbehave because of this bug and I don't think developers expect %c format to be parseable in the first place. I made this issue depend on #8915 because I think strptime should query the locale for format information directly rather than reverse engineer what strftime does. I don't think this fix solves all the problems. For example, in most locales (including plain C locale), day of the month in %c format uses %e format, but current implementation guesses it as %d: '%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Y' LocaleTime().LC_date_time '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y' This does not seem to be an issue because strptime with %d seems to be able to parse space-filled as well as zero-filled numbers. However, there may be platforms that are less forgiving. On the patch itself: 1. Unit tests are needed. 2. Please don't use datetime as a local variable. 3. I am not sure what the purpose of .lower() is. Are a_month and f_month lowercased? 4. Please keep lines under 79 characters long. 5. for m in range(1, 13) loop is better written as for am, fm in zip(self.a_month, self.f_month) Eli, what do you think yourself: should we try to perfect the hack or is it better to reimplement strptime using locale? Note that the latter may be a stepping stone to implementing strftime as well. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8957 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue8957] strptime(.., '%c') fails to parse output of strftime('%c', ..) in some locales
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment: 6. datetime.find(self.f_month[m]) = 0 - self.f_month[m] in datetime Python is not C! -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8957 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue2275] urllib2 header capitalization
Rui Carmo rca...@gmail.com added the comment: I'd like to add that when supplying custom headers for things like UPNP (which uses SOAPACTION as a header to talk to frequently very limited servers), the library shouldn't mangle the headers in any way whatsoever and send them verbatim. (I consider that mangling to be a bug, and not a new feature. HTTP headers may be case-insensitve according to standards, but embedded implementations require us to have a degree of control over the headers, and failing to preserve header case is a bug.) Right now I've had to replace httplib and urllib2 with my own custom code because the SOAPACTION header is capitalized and sent to the server as Soapaction, which breaks the Intel embedded UPNP daemon. -- nosy: +Rui.Carmo type: feature request - behavior versions: +Python 2.7 -Python 3.3 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue2275 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com added the comment: Hi Georg, In the previous comment, I had written that 'let me see if we have to accommodate those very special case where data can be a zero length string just to accommodate the mistake it was present in the earlier version.' More, I think about it, the more it seems to me that accommodating that special wrong case is not required. The decision boils down to this. 1. In py3k, data for POST should be bytes. 2. But urllib.request had a 'bug/hole' that when a zero length string was passed as a data, it did not raise an exception. There were cases in test_urllib2 where zero length string was passed. I argue that it was more of a mistake than, what we actually wanted to test it. Because there is NO practical scenario where Zero length data as a POST is useful. 3. Now, with the introduction of this feature requested in this issue, this zero length string would raise an Exception and would demand that even if it is zero length, please send it as bytes. IMO, this is correct behavior and we need not accommodate the previous one. So, I would recommend closing this bug as Fixed without further change. At most, a NEWS item can be added to explain point 2. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3243 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10916] mmap segfault
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: It also needed fixing on Windows: committed in r88036, r88037 and r88038. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10916 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
Xuanji Li xua...@gmail.com added the comment: Yes, I think we should close it. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3243 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue8957] strptime(.., '%c') fails to parse output of strftime('%c', ..) in some locales
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Alexander, 1) Patch comments - thanks for those. Will have them fixed. 2) General strategy for implementing strptime. I must confess I don't fully understand the reason for doing what the _strptime module does. Standard C AFAIK has nothing of the sort - it only has strftime and strptime, both using a given format string. Neither tries to guess it from an actual formatted time! Does it exist just to circumvent platforms where strptime isn't implemented in C or is buggy? Can you please shed some light on this (or point me somewhere)? With understanding of (2) I will be able to also logically reason about the next steps :-) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8957 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com added the comment: Thanks for the note. I shall some details to the NEWS entry before the release. Closing this report. -- priority: critical - low status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3243 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3243] Support iterable bodies in httplib
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[issue8957] strptime(.., '%c') fails to parse output of strftime('%c', ..) in some locales
Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com added the comment: You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Some platforms don't have strptime or did not have it at the time this code was written. The locale module is probably more recent than this code as well. -- nosy: +Alexander.Belopolsky ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8957 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
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[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com added the comment: Can you please provide an example of what user would do and what changes existing extension modules would need to make? When I looked at this exact problem some time back, I worked out that you probably only need a single new public API function. This would be something like PyInterpreterState_Swap(). By default stuff would work on the main interpreter, but if for a specific thread it wanted to operate in context of a different sub interpreter, would call PyInterpreterState_Swap() to indicate that. That would store in TLS outside of any existing data structures. Functions like existing PyGILState_Ensure()/PyGILState_Release() would then look up that TLS variable to know which interpreter they are working with. Doing it this way meant that no C extension modules using PyGILState_??? functions would need to change at all, as what interpreter is being operated on dictated by who created the thread and initiated call in to Python interpreter. You probably want validation checks to say that PyInterpreterState_Swap() can only be called when not GIL lock held. It worries me that you are talking about new PyGILState_??? functions as that would suggest to me that extension modules would need to change to be aware of this stuff. That you are saying that sqlite needs changes is what makes me things the way you are going is a problem. It isn't practical to make SWIG change to use something other than PyGILState_Ensure()/PyGILState_Release(), it should be transparent and required no changes to existing C extensions. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Can you please provide an example of what user would do and what changes existing extension modules would need to make? The patch contains such a change for ctypes. It's quite simple actually. By default stuff would work on the main interpreter, but if for a specific thread it wanted to operate in context of a different sub interpreter, would call PyInterpreterState_Swap() to indicate that. That would store in TLS outside of any existing data structures. Functions like existing PyGILState_Ensure()/PyGILState_Release() would then look up that TLS variable to know which interpreter they are working with. That sounds like an ugly hack to avoid passing the desired interpreter state directly to PyGILState_Ensure()/PyGILState_Release(). Besides, it will only work if a thread always serves the same sub-interpreter. Doing it this way meant that no C extension modules using PyGILState_??? functions would need to change at all, as what interpreter is being operated on dictated by who created the thread and initiated call in to Python interpreter. Who would do that, if it's not the extensions in question? who created the thread is often a third-party library (e.g. sqlite) that has no notion of a Python interpreter. That's the whole point of using the PyGILState_* API, really. So extensions *will* have to be fixed. That you are saying that sqlite needs changes is what makes me things the way you are going is a problem. It isn't practical to make SWIG change to use something other than PyGILState_Ensure()/PyGILState_Release(), it should be transparent and required no changes to existing C extensions. What does SWIG use them for? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
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[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Raymond Hettinger rhettin...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment: -1 on PyObject_RichCompareBoolEx() for 3.3 -- it is simply an invitation to shoot yourself (or others) in the foot. I've not seen real world code using bool(a==b) or its C equivalent, so it's hard to believe that there is a use case here (unless you're trying to commit atrocities with NaN-like objects). -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment: A TLS based approach would presumably allow an embedding application like mod_wsgi to tinker with the state of threads created by naive modules that are unaware of the existence of subinterpreters. That said, I don't see anything that prevents us from pursuing a TLS based override for the existing PyGILState functions later if the simpler, more explicit approach proves inadequate. As it stands, the new explicit calls allow something like mod_wsgi to define its *own* TLS location for the interpreter that is currently handling callbacks into Python, then use SWIG to generate PyGILState_*Ex calls in callback wrappers that reference that TLS interpreter state. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment: Indeed. I was actually wondering if it would be worth trying to write up a section for the language reference to describe the cases where a Python implementation is *expected* to assume reflexive equality. We (IMO) have a problem at the moment due to situations like: class PyContains(list): ... def __contains__(self, obj): ... return any(x==obj for x in self) ... nan = float(nan) nan in [nan] True nan in PyContains([nan]) False This is a bug in the __contains__ definition (it should use x is obj or x == obj rather than just the latter expression) but there isn't anything in the language reference to point that out. Assuming reflexive equality in some places and not in others based on the underlying implementation language is going to be a source of subtle bugs relating to types like float and decimal.Decimal. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10903] ZipExtFile:_update_crc fails for CRC = 0x80000000
Nadeem Vawda nadeem.va...@gmail.com added the comment: I have been unable to reproduce this on either 3.2rc1 or 2.6. I used a Zip archive containing a single file with the data ba\n (CRC 0xDDEAA107). -- nosy: +nvawda ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10903 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: A TLS based approach would presumably allow an embedding application like mod_wsgi to tinker with the state of threads created by naive modules that are unaware of the existence of subinterpreters. The question is how mod_wsgi could know about the existence of these threads, let alone decide which subinterpreter an arbitrary OS thread should belong to; only the extension module can safely tell. And it becomes totally hopeless if those threads are actually *shared* between subinterpreters, as might be the case with a 3rd-party library managing its own helper threads (I don't know if that's the case with sqlite). IMO we should really promote clean APIs which allow solving the whole problem, rather than devise an internal hack to try to improve things slightly. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com added the comment: The bulk of use cases is going to be simple callbacks via the same thread that called out of Python in the first place. Thus ultimately all it is doing is: Py_BEGIN_ALLOW_THREADS Call into some foreign C library. C library wants to do a callback into Python. PyGILState_STATE gstate; gstate = PyGILState_Ensure(); /* Perform Python actions here. */ result = CallSomeFunction(); /* evaluate result or handle exception */ /* Release the thread. No Python API allowed beyond this point. */ PyGILState_Release(gstate); More stuff in C library. Return back into the C extension wrapper. Py_END_ALLOW_THREADS This is what SWIG effectively does in its generated wrappers for callbacks. Using a TLS solution, all these modules that simply do this will now start working where as they currently usually deadlock or have other problems. In your solution, all these modules would need to be modified to some how transfer information about the current interpreter into the callback which is called by the foreign C library and use new PyGILState_??? functions rather than the old. I do accept that more complicated extension modules which create their own foreign threads and perform the call back into interpreter from that thread, or systems like mod_wsgi which have a persistent thread pool from which calls originate, will have to be modified, but this is the lessor use case from what I have seen. Overall, it is an easy win if TLS is used because a lot of code wouldn't need to change. Some will, but expect that a lot of the common stuff like lxml for example wouldn't. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Raymond Hettinger rhettin...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment: If something needs to be written about NaNs or other invariant destroying objects, perhaps a FAQ entry would suffice (perhaps referencing http://bertrandmeyer.com/2010/02/06/reflexivity-and-other-pillars-of-civilization/ ). -- assignee: docs@python - rhettinger keywords: -easy ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10915] Make the PyGILState API compatible with multiple interpreters
Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com added the comment: As to the comment: IMO we should really promote clean APIs which allow solving the whole problem, rather than devise an internal hack to try to improve things slightly. The reality is that if you force a change on every single extension module doing callbacks into the interpreter without having the GIL first, you will never see people update their code as they will likely not care about this special use case. And so the whole point of adding the additional APIs will be wasted effort and have achieved nothing. The TLS solution means many modules will work without the authors having to do anything. You therefore have to balance between what you perceive as a cleaner API and what is actually going to see a benefit without having to wait a half dozen years before people realise they should change their ways. BTW, TLS is currently used for current thread state for simplified GIL API, why isn't that use of TLS a hack where as doing the same for interpreter is? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10915 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue8957] strptime(.., '%c') fails to parse output of strftime('%c', ..) in some locales
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Alexander, but still - this isn't just an implementation of strptime. strptime, AFAIU strptime gets the format string as a parameter and uses it to parse a date string into a tm struct. So why do we need to parse a date string *without* a format string in Python, resorting to heuristics and pseudo-AI instead? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue8957 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com added the comment: Raymond, I initially set easy on this issue because I considered it a documentation issue, not the place to resolve the harder debate of the semantics of these functions. Perhaps I was wrong? Also, I agree with Nick that the difference must be further clarified in stronger words. If there's no debate on this issue, I will commit a fix after the freeze is over. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10912] PyObject_RichCompare differs in behaviour from PyObject_RichCompareBool ; difference not noted in documentation
Raymond Hettinger rhettin...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment: Yes, it is a doc issue but sometimes those aren't easy to get right (in terms of being beneficial to the reader and in good alignment with the design intentions). Please attach the doc patch you want to go in and I'll review it sometime the freeze. -- priority: normal - low ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10912 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue10917] PEP 333 link to CGI specification is broken
New submission from anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0333/#id7 Link to CGI spec is broken. -- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 126361 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: PEP 333 link to CGI specification is broken versions: 3rd party, Python 2.5, Python 2.6, Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2, Python 3.3 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10917 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
