Pygments 2.0 released

2014-11-10 Thread Georg Brandl
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I'm happy to announce the release of Pygments 2.0.
Pygments is a generic syntax highlighter written in Python.

There is a lot of news in the 2.0 release, please have a look at the
changelog http://pygments.org/docs/changelog.

There are over 50 new languages or markups supported, and a few interesting
new features.  The most important feature from a development point of view is
single-source compatibility with Python 2 and 3, with the range of supported
Python versions restricted to 2.6+ and 3.3+.

Report bugs and feature requests in the issue tracker:
http://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/pygments-main/issues.
Thanks go to all the contributors of these lexers, and to all
those who reported bugs and waited patiently for this release, and as always
many thanks also to Tim Hatch for his continued care for Pygments.

Download it from http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Pygments, or look at the
demonstration at http://pygments.org/demo.

Enjoy,
Georg




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Pint 0.6 (Units in Python)

2014-11-10 Thread Hernan Grecco
Hi,

We are happy to announce Pint 0.6. Pint is a Python package to define,
operate and manipulate physical quantities: the product of a numerical
value and a unit of measurement.

Check out the blog post for more details about this release:

http://python-in-the-lab.blogspot.com.ar/2014/11/pint-06-faster-and-with-better-non.html

You can get pint using pip:

$ pip install pint

or get the source code:

https://github.com/hgrecco/pint

and check the docs:

http://pint.readthedocs.org/


Thanks to the people that contributed bug reports, suggestions and patches
since 0.5. In particular to Matthieu Dartiailh, Ryan Kingsbury, Joel
Mohler, Virgil Dupras, Jonas Olson, John David Reaver and Peter Grayson. A
big thanks should be given to David Linke who did an awesome work with
offset units (Please let me know if I am forgetting someone!)


What is Pint?
---

Pint is Python package to define, operate and manipulate physical
quantities: the product of a numerical value and a unit of
measurement. It allows arithmetic operations between them and
conversions from and to different units. It supports a lot of numpy
mathematical operations without monkey patching or wrapping numpy.

It is distributed with a comprehensive list of physical units,
prefixes and constants. Due to it’s modular design, you can extend (or
even rewrite!) the complete list without changing the source code.

It has a complete test coverage. It runs in Python 2.6+ and 3.2+ with no
other dependency. It licensed under BSD.


Highlights
---

* Unit parsing: prefixed and pluralized forms of units are recognized
without explicitly defining them. In other words: as the prefix kilo
and the unit meter are defined, Pint understands kilometers. This
results in a much shorter and maintainable unit definition list as
compared to other packages.

* Standalone unit definitions: units definitions are loaded from a
text file which is simple and easy to edit. Adding and changing units
and their definitions does not involve changing the code.

* Advanced string formatting: a quantity can be formatted into string
using PEP 3101 syntax. Extended conversion flags are given to provide
symbolic, latex and pretty formatting.

* Free to choose the numerical type: You can use any numerical type
(fraction, float, decimal, numpy.ndarray, etc). NumPy is not required
but supported.

* NumPy integration: When you choose to use a NumPy ndarray, its
methods and ufuncs are supported including automatic conversion of
units. For example numpy.arccos(q) will require a dimensionless q and
the units of the output quantity will be radian.

* Handle temperature: conversion between units with different
reference points, like positions on a map or absolute temperature
scales.

* Small codebase: easy to maintain codebase with a flat hierarchy.

* Dependency free: it depends only on Python and it’s standard library.

* Python 2 and 3: a single codebase that runs unchanged in Python 2.6+ and
Python 3.2+.

Enjoy!

Hernán
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locale.getlocale() in cmd.exe vs. Idle

2014-11-10 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
Hi,

Why do I get different output for locale.getlocale() in Idle vs. cmd.exe?

# IDLE
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type copyright, credits or license() for more information.
 import locale
 locale.getdefaultlocale()
('nl_NL', 'cp1252')
 locale.getlocale()
('Dutch_Netherlands', '1252')  # I need this specific notation


# cmd.exe or Ipython
C:\Users\albertjanpython
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import locale
 locale.getdefaultlocale()
('nl_NL', 'cp1252')
 locale.getlocale()
(None, None)

# using setlocale does work (one of these instances when I answer my own 
question while writing to the Python list)
C:\Users\albertjanpython
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import locale
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, )
'Dutch_Netherlands.1252'
 locale.getlocale()
('Dutch_Netherlands', '1252') 
 
Thank you!

Regards,

Albert-Jan




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ssl error with the python mac binary

2014-11-10 Thread Paul Wiseman
Hey,

I've been using the latest mac ppc/i386 binaries from python.org
(https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.8/python-2.7.8-macosx10.5.dmg).
From what I can tell this version is linked against a pretty old
version of OpenSSL (OpenSSL 0.9.7l 28 Sep 2006) which doesn't seem to
be able to handle new sha-256 certificates.

For example I'm unable to use pip (I guess the certificate was updated recently)

Searching for gnureadline
Reading https://pypi.python.org/simple/gnureadline/
Download error on https://pypi.python.org/simple/gnureadline/: [Errno
1] _ssl.c:510: error:0D0890A1:asn1 encoding
routines:ASN1_verify:unknown message digest algorithm -- Some packages
may not be found!

Am I right in thinking this is an issue with the build of python
itself? Is there a way I can upgrade the version of OpenSSL linked
with python- or force the python build to look elsewhere for the
library? Or will I have to build my own from source?

Thanks!

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Re: Booksigning Party at PyCon This Year!

2014-11-10 Thread michel88
My kids want to celebrate Halloween party at one of the best party venue. Can
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https://www.toshislivingroom.com/t/best-halloween-party-nyc.php   with
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A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Mok-Kong Shen


I don't understand the following phenomenon. Could someone kindly 
explain it? Thanks in advance.


M. K. Shen

-

count=5

def test():
  print(count)
  if count==5:
count+=0  ### Error message if this line is active, otherwise ok.
print(count)
  return

test()
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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread alister
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:07:58 +0100, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:

 I don't understand the following phenomenon. Could someone kindly
 explain it? Thanks in advance.
 
 M. K. Shen
 
 -
 
 count=5
 
 def test():
print(count)
if count==5:
  count+=0  ### Error message if this line is active, otherwise ok.
  print(count)
return
 
 test()
My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back in 
the foreseeable future.

What result are you getting that you don't understand  what do you 
expect?
What is the error message you get?
Post the full traceback



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Re: Python script that does batch find and replace in txt files

2014-11-10 Thread alister
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:49:29 -0800, Syed Khalid wrote:

 Albert,
 
 Code is not removing  empty lines containing blank characters and not
 removing leading and trailing spaces present in each line.
 
 
 
 
 import glob, codecs, re, os
 
 regex = re.compile(rAge: |Sex: |House No:  ) # etc etc
 
 for txt in glob.glob(D:/Python/source/*.txt):
 with codecs.open(txt, encoding=utf-8) as f:
 oldlines = f.readlines()
 for i, line in enumerate(oldlines):
 if Elector's Name: in line:
 break
 newlines = [regex.sub(, line).strip().replace(-, _) for line
 in oldlines[i:]]
 with codecs.open(txt + _out.txt, wb, encoding=utf-8) as w:
 w.write(os.linesep.join(newlines))
 
 Kindly do the needful

kindly read the code to understand how it is operating  then make the 
necessary changes/additions yourself comp.lang.python is no a free coding 
shop 



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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread David Palao
 My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back in
 the foreseeable future.

Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.
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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Wolfgang Maier

You may want to read:

https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html?highlight=global#why-am-i-getting-an-unboundlocalerror-when-the-variable-has-a-value

from the Python docs Programming FAQ section.
It explains your problem pretty well.

As others have hinted at, always provide concrete Python error messages 
and tracebacks instead of vague descriptions.


Best,
Wolfgang


On 11/10/2014 12:07 PM, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:


I don't understand the following phenomenon. Could someone kindly
explain it? Thanks in advance.

M. K. Shen

-

count=5

def test():
   print(count)
   if count==5:
 count+=0  ### Error message if this line is active, otherwise ok.
 print(count)
   return

test()


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Re: Python modules

2014-11-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article i0h06a9pj8h3olo5rnrgc64i7ckpvtv...@4ax.com,
 Steve Hayes hayes...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 I have a book on Python that advocates dividing programs into modules, and
 importing them when needed.

Yes, this is a good idea.  Breaking your program down into modules, each 
of which does a small set of closely related things, makes it easier to 
manage.  You can test each module in isolation.  When you look at your 
version control log, you can see just the changes which apply to just 
that module.  When somebody new joins the team, they can learn about 
each module one at a time.

None of this is specific to Python.  Good software engineering practice 
is to break large applications into manageable pieces.  The vocabulary 
may change from language to language (module, package, class, library, 
dll, etc), but the basic concept is the same.

 But I understand that Python is an interpreted language, and If I wrote a
 program in Python like that, and wanted to run it on another computer, how
 would it find all the modules to import at run-time, unless I copied the whole
 directory structure over to the other computer?

Yes, exactly.  When you deploy your application someplace, you need to 
include all the things it depends on.  In the simple case of a few 
python files (say, a main program and a few modules that you're 
written), the easiest thing to do might be to just clone your source 
repository on the other machine and run it directly from that.  Another 
possibility would be to package up all the files in some sort of archive 
(tar, zip, whatever) and unpack that wherever you need it.

You will also have to set up a correct environment.  This usually means 
having an appropriate version of Python already installed, plus whatever 
third-party modules you use.
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Re: Python modules

2014-11-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
 Yes, exactly.  When you deploy your application someplace, you need to
 include all the things it depends on.  In the simple case of a few
 python files (say, a main program and a few modules that you're
 written), the easiest thing to do might be to just clone your source
 repository on the other machine and run it directly from that.

Even in less simple cases, that's often a good way to run things. As
long as your source repo has no large binary files in it, it'll be
reasonably small; for 400KB of source code and ~1600 commits spanning
~3 years of history, around about 2MB. When your deployment is a
source clone, it's really easy to pull changes and see what's new; and
if you ever find a bug on a deployment machine (maybe a different OS
from your usual dev system), you can make a patch right there and send
it along. There's no huge okay, let's make a new release now
overhead - you just keep committing (maybe pushing) changes, same as
you do any other time, and perhaps tag some commit with a version
number. Very very easy. I recommend it.

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Wolfgang Maier
wolfgang.ma...@biologie.uni-freiburg.de wrote:
 You may want to read:

 https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html?highlight=global#why-am-i-getting-an-unboundlocalerror-when-the-variable-has-a-value

 from the Python docs Programming FAQ section.
 It explains your problem pretty well.

 As others have hinted at, always provide concrete Python error messages and
 tracebacks instead of vague descriptions.

 Best,
 Wolfgang



 On 11/10/2014 12:07 PM, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:


 I don't understand the following phenomenon. Could someone kindly
 explain it? Thanks in advance.

 M. K. Shen

 -

 count=5

 def test():
print(count)
if count==5:
  count+=0  ### Error message if this line is active, otherwise ok.
  print(count)
return

 test()


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Your problem is that count is not local.  You are reading count from
an outer scope.  When you try to increment count in your function, it
can't because it doesn't exist.
Don't use globals.

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-10, David Palao dpalao.pyt...@gmail.com wrote:

 My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back
 in the foreseeable future.

 Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.

That isn't a prediction.  It's an explicit statement of no prediction.
He said that it is not expected back rather than expected not to be
back.  They're two different things.  The former asserts a _lack_ of
expection/prediction.  The latter asserts an expectation/prediction.

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
 Your problem is that count is not local.  You are reading count from
 an outer scope.  When you try to increment count in your function, it
 can't because it doesn't exist.
 Don't use globals.

False analysis, I'm afraid. The problem is that the assignment will,
in the absence of a global declaration, cause the name count to
indicate a local variable - so it won't ever be read from outer scope.
However, the OP's issue is better solved by sharing tracebacks than by
us peering into crystal balls; mine's showing a very clear image at
the moment, but it might well be incorrect.

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread alister
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:44:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote:

 On 2014-11-10, David Palao dpalao.pyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back in
 the foreseeable future.

 Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.
 
 That isn't a prediction.  It's an explicit statement of no prediction.
 He said that it is not expected back rather than expected not to be
 back.  They're two different things.  The former asserts a _lack_ of
 expection/prediction.  The latter asserts an expectation/prediction.

It was only a a joke maybe it was a bit to subtle   



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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread alister
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:54:55 +, alister wrote:

 On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:44:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
 
 On 2014-11-10, David Palao dpalao.pyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back
 in the foreseeable future.

 Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.
 
 That isn't a prediction.  It's an explicit statement of no prediction.
 He said that it is not expected back rather than expected not to be
 back.  They're two different things.  The former asserts a _lack_ of
 expection/prediction.  The latter asserts an expectation/prediction.
 
 It was only a a joke maybe it was a bit to subtle

I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition (Damn wish Id though of that 
before sending the last post)



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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Peter Otten
Joel Goldstick wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Wolfgang Maier
 wolfgang.ma...@biologie.uni-freiburg.de wrote:
 You may want to read:

 https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html?highlight=global#why-am-i-getting-an-unboundlocalerror-when-the-variable-has-a-value

 from the Python docs Programming FAQ section.
 It explains your problem pretty well.

 As others have hinted at, always provide concrete Python error messages
 and tracebacks instead of vague descriptions.

 Best,
 Wolfgang



 On 11/10/2014 12:07 PM, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:


 I don't understand the following phenomenon. Could someone kindly
 explain it? Thanks in advance.

 M. K. Shen

 -

 count=5

 def test():
print(count)
if count==5:
  count+=0  ### Error message if this line is active, otherwise ok.
  print(count)
return

 test()


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 Your problem is that count is not local.  You are reading count from
 an outer scope.  When you try to increment count in your function, it
 can't because it doesn't exist.
 Don't use globals.

That's what most would expect, but the error is already triggered by the 
first

print(count)

Python decides at compile-time that count is a local variable if there is an 
assignment (name binding) to count anywhere in the function's scope --  
even if the corresponding code will never be executed:

 x = 42
 def test():
... print(x)
... if 0: x = 42
... 
 test()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 1, in module
  File stdin, line 2, in test
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'x' referenced before assignment

This is different from the class body where the global namespace is tried 
when a lookup in the local namespace fails:

 x = 42
 class A:
... print(x)
... x += 1
... 
42
 x
42
 A.x
43

Historical ;) note: In Python 2 you could trigger a similar behaviour with 
exec:

 def f(a):
... if a: exec x = 42
... print x
... 
 x = global
 f(True)
42
 f(False)
global



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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Joel Goldstick
 joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
 Your problem is that count is not local.  You are reading count from
 an outer scope.  When you try to increment count in your function, it
 can't because it doesn't exist.
 Don't use globals.

 False analysis, I'm afraid. The problem is that the assignment will,
 in the absence of a global declaration, cause the name count to
 indicate a local variable - so it won't ever be read from outer scope.
 However, the OP's issue is better solved by sharing tracebacks than by
 us peering into crystal balls; mine's showing a very clear image at
 the moment, but it might well be incorrect.

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Interesting.  Thanks for pointing that out


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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-10, alister alister.nospam.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:44:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote:

 On 2014-11-10, David Palao dpalao.pyt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back in
 the foreseeable future.

 Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.
 
 That isn't a prediction.  It's an explicit statement of no prediction.
 He said that it is not expected back rather than expected not to be
 back.  They're two different things.  The former asserts a _lack_ of
 expection/prediction.  The latter asserts an expectation/prediction.

 It was only a a joke maybe it was a bit to subtle 

I know, but in c.l.p, even jokes get nicely pednatic answers.

;)

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:
 I know, but in c.l.p, even jokes get nicely pednatic answers.

And in c.l.p, odd jokes get even more pedantic spelling corrections.

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RE: [Distutils] Call for information - What assumptions can I make about Unix users' access to Windows?

2014-11-10 Thread Steve Dower
Ben Finney wrote:
 Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com writes:
 Ben Finney wrote:
  The restrictions of the license terms make MS Windows an
  unacceptable risk on any machine I'm responsible for.

 Just out of interest, which restrictions would those be?
 
 It has been a long time since I bothered to read any of the numerous license
 texts from Microsoft, so I can't cite specific clauses. From memory,
 unacceptable restrictions include:
 
 * Restricting the instance to specific hardware, instead of leaving it
 up to the recipient to run the work they paid for on any hardware they
 choose.

If by specific hardware you mean the one-license-per-user-per-machine rule, 
you probably want to consider Windows Server, which has a more flexible license 
in this respect (or maybe not - it might just allow multiple users on one 
license/machine. I haven't checked this).

 * Forbidding reverse-engineering of the OS to see how it behaves.

Yeah, I doubt that restriction is moving anywhere. It's standard for 
closed-source software, and as I understand it's intended to legally protect 
trade secrets and patents (i.e. we tried our hardest to keep this a trade 
secret). I've never heard of anyone being pursued for doing it though, except 
to be offered a job working on Windows :)

 * Forbidding collaboration with other recipients to discover how the OS
 behaves.

Other recipients are explicitly excluded - for use by one person at a 
time[1] - so the rest of this point doesn't really make any sense to me.

That said, it does trigger some memories of when I was contributing to ReactOS 
years ago... is this one of their suggestions about how to avoid taint? (Or 
maybe from Wine?) Those guys have obtained their own legal advice which is 
going to be aimed at preventing a court case (not just preventing a loss - 
preventing it from happening in the first place) and so it's going to be based 
on an interpretation of the license and be more defensive than most people need 
to worry about.

 * Refusal to disclose the source code for the running OS to the
 recipient.

Again, it's part of the business and legal model. If you really want access to 
the source code, you can pay for it, but most people and businesses can't 
afford it or don't want it that badly. (There are also technical reasons why 
the source code can't easily be disclosed - how many hundreds of gigabytes of 
code are you willing to download and wade through? Yes, it's that big.)

 * Forbidding the recipient from getting their choice of vendor to make
 improvements to the OS and collaborate with other recipients on the
 improvements.

I know this used to exist, as there were a number of RT/embedded OSs available 
that were based on Windows. I think at this point they've all been absorbed 
into Microsoft though.

 * Arrogating control of the running OS to a party other than the license
 recipient, including the ability to (at Microsoft's sole discretion)
 deny applications to run, and to disable features of the OS.
 
 * Arrogating data collection to Microsoft and undisclosed third parties,
 tracking broad classes of activity on the OS and sending the logs to a
 server not of the recipient's choosing.

It seems you fundamentally disagree with the 'licensing' model and would prefer 
an 'ownership' model. That's fine, but it's not the business model Windows 
operates under and that is unlikely to ever change. Even if I were CEO, I'd 
have a hard time changing that one :)

 Does this prevent you from creating a VM on a cloud provider on your
 own account?
 
 If I need to accept restrictions such as the above, I don't see that the
 location of the instance (nor the fees charged) has any affect on these
 concerns. The risks discussed above are not mitigated.
 
 If the licensing is a real issue, I'm in a position where I can have a
 positive impact on fixing it, so any info you can provide me (on- or
 off-list) about your concerns is valuable.
 
 Thank you for this offer, I am glad to see willingness expressed to solve 
 these
 restrictions. I hope you can achieve software freedom for all recipients of
 Microsoft operating systems.
 
 Until then, the risk is too great to anyone to whom I have professional
 responsibilities, and my advice must continue to be that they avoid accepting
 such restrictions.

That's a fair enough position, and without people taking that stance, Linux 
(and practically every OS that's based on it) wouldn't be anywhere near as 
usable as it is today. I'm also fully aware of people with the exact opposite 
stance who give the exact opposite advice, so there's room in this world for 
all of us.

I'm sorry I can't do any better than the few responses above - these are big 
issues that run to the core of how Microsoft does business, and not only am I 
incapable of changing them, I'm nowhere near capable of fully understanding how 
it all fits together. Thanks for being willing to engage, though. It's always 
valuable to hear alternative points of 

Re: What does zip mean?

2014-11-10 Thread giacomo boffi

On 11/09/2014 11:44 AM, satishmlm...@gmail.com wrote:

What does zip return in the following piece of code?


To help you understanding what is the `zip` builtin,
please forget about PKZip etc and think about the
_zip fastener_ or _zipper_ in your bag or in your trousers

In the bag you have two sequences of teeth that the zipper
binds together in interlocking pairs

In your program you have two lists, whose elements `zip` returns
bound together in pairs
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Re: What does zip mean?

2014-11-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-10, giacomo boffi giacomo_bo...@inwind.it wrote:

 On 11/09/2014 11:44 AM, satishmlm...@gmail.com wrote:
 What does zip return in the following piece of code?

 To help you understanding what is the `zip` builtin, please forget
 about PKZip etc and think about the _zip fastener_ or _zipper_ in
 your bag or in your trousers

 In the bag you have two sequences of teeth that the zipper
 binds together in interlocking pairs

No, you don't. That's not how a zipper works.  Each tooth from side A,
isn't bound with one from side B.  It's bound with _two_ of them from
side B. And each of those is in turn bound with an additional tooth
from side A, and so on...

 In your program you have two lists, whose elements `zip` returns
 bound together in pairs

What the zipper on a coat does is convert two separate sequences into
a single sequence where the members alternate between the two input
sequences.  IOW if we want to do something analogous to a zipper
fastener it should do this:

  zip([a,b,c,d,e,f],[1,2,3,4,5,6])  = [a,1,b,2,c,3,d,4,e,5,f,6]
  
Item '1' is bound equally to item 'a' and 'b'.  Item 'b' is bound
equally to item '1' and '2'.
  
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Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Paddy
Hi, I do agree with 
 Raymond H. about the relative merits of cmp= and key= in 
sort/sorted, but I decided to also not let natural uses of cmp= pass silently.

In answering this question, http://stackoverflow.com/a/26850434/10562 about 
ordering subject to inequalities it seemed natural to use the cmp= argument of 
sort rather than key=.

The question is about merging given inequalities to make 1 inequality such that 
the inequalities also stays true.


Here is a copy of my code:

Python 2.7.5 (default, May 15 2013, 22:43:36) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type copyright, credits or license() for more information.
 ineq = f4  f2  f3
f4  f1  f3
f4  f2  f1
f2  f1  f3
 print(ineq)
f4  f2  f3
f4  f1  f3
f4  f2  f1
f2  f1  f3
 greater_thans, all_f = set(), set()
 for line in ineq.split('\n'):
tokens = line.strip().split()[::2]
for n, t1 in enumerate(tokens[:-1]):
for t2 in tokens[n+1:]:
greater_thans.add((t1, t2))
all_f.add(t1)
all_f.add(t2)


 sorted(all_f, cmp=lambda t1, t2: 0 if t1==t2 else 
...(1 if (t1, t2) not in greater_thans else -1))
['f4', 'f2', 'f1', 'f3']
 

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I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread sohcahtoa82
Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints, just 
give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually interested in 
learning how to program, but I know software engineers make lots of money so I 
want to be one.
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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Peter Otten
Paddy wrote:

 Hi, I do agree with   
   Raymond H. about the relative merits of cmp= and key= in
 sort/sorted, but I decided to also not let natural uses of cmp= pass
 silently.
 
 In answering this question, http://stackoverflow.com/a/26850434/10562
 about ordering subject to inequalities it seemed natural to use the cmp=
 argument of sort rather than key=.
 
 The question is about merging given inequalities to make 1 inequality such
 that the inequalities also stays true.
 
 
 Here is a copy of my code:
 
 Python 2.7.5 (default, May 15 2013, 22:43:36) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
 on win32 Type copyright, credits or license() for more information.
 ineq = f4  f2  f3
 f4  f1  f3
 f4  f2  f1
 f2  f1  f3
 print(ineq)
 f4  f2  f3
 f4  f1  f3
 f4  f2  f1
 f2  f1  f3
 greater_thans, all_f = set(), set()
 for line in ineq.split('\n'):
 tokens = line.strip().split()[::2]
 for n, t1 in enumerate(tokens[:-1]):
 for t2 in tokens[n+1:]:
 greater_thans.add((t1, t2))
 all_f.add(t1)
 all_f.add(t2)
 
 
 sorted(all_f, cmp=lambda t1, t2: 0 if t1==t2 else
 ...(1 if (t1, t2) not in greater_thans else -1))
 ['f4', 'f2', 'f1', 'f3']


I'm not sure this works. I tried:

$ cat paddy.py
ineq = f4  f2  f3
f4  f1  f3
f4  f2  f1
f2  f1  f3
f3  f5


greater_thans = set()
all_f = set()

for line in ineq.split('\n'):
tokens = line.strip().split()[::2]
for n, t1 in enumerate(tokens[:-1]):
for t2 in tokens[n+1:]:
greater_thans.add((t1, t2))
all_f.add(t1)
all_f.add(t2)

print all_f
print greater_thans

print sorted(all_f, cmp=lambda t1, t2: 0 if t1==t2 else 
(1 if (t1, t2) not in greater_thans else -1))
$ PYTHONHASHSEED=0 python paddy.py 
set(['f1', 'f2', 'f3', 'f4', 'f5'])
set([('f1', 'f3'), ('f2', 'f1'), ('f2', 'f3'), ('f4', 'f3'), ('f4', 'f2'), 
('f4', 'f1'), ('f3', 'f5')])
['f4', 'f2', 'f1', 'f3', 'f5']
$ PYTHONHASHSEED=1 python paddy.py 
set(['f5', 'f4', 'f3', 'f2', 'f1'])
set([('f1', 'f3'), ('f2', 'f3'), ('f2', 'f1'), ('f4', 'f1'), ('f3', 'f5'), 
('f4', 'f3'), ('f4', 'f2')])
['f5', 'f4', 'f2', 'f1', 'f3']


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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Peter Otten
sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints,
 just give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually
 interested in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make
 lots of money so I want to be one.

I'm sorry I have to decline your kind offer unless you also let me do your 
dishes and walk your dog.

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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
 I'm not sure this works. I tried:

Here's a simpler failure case.

 ineq = f2  f3
... f3  f1

[Previously posted code elided]

 greater_thans
set([('f3', 'f1'), ('f2', 'f3')])
 sorted(all_f, cmp=lambda t1, t2: 0 if t1==t2 else
... (1 if (t1, t2) not in greater_thans else -1))
['f1', 'f2', 'f3']

Note that the greater_thans set is missing the implication by
transitivity that f2  f1, so the given cmp function would
inconsistently return -1 for both comparisons cmp('f1', 'f2') and
cmp('f2', 'f1').
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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.15627.1415636743.18130.python-l...@python.org,
 Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid 
 wrote:
  I know, but in c.l.p, even jokes get nicely pednatic answers.
 
 And in c.l.p, odd jokes get even more pedantic spelling corrections.
 
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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article b509998d-c547-4638-8810-0388c0894...@googlegroups.com,
 sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints, just 
 give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually interested 
 in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make lots of money 
 so I want to be one.

This post is a sine of the times.
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Design and Build Software Engineer Opportunity

2014-11-10 Thread Charles Weitzer
My name is Charles Weitzer.  I do recruiting for machine learning teams 
worldwide. One of my clients is a startup quantitative hedge
fund located in Northern, California. The founders previous worked together at 
one of the most successful quantitative hedge funds
in the world in New York City. Now they are ready to do it again. The team 
would like to hire an extremely talented design and build
software engineer as soon as possible..  They are rebuilding their current 
trading strategy and system and also designing a new
strategy.  You could work on either or both.  The title and level of seniority 
are very flexible. Their team has made unpublished
discoveries in the field of machine learning and in other areas as well.  This 
is an opportunity to leverage these discoveries in a
real world environment.

Here is their description of the position:

**
Design and Build Software Engineer

Fast-growing quantitative trading firm seeks an exceptional software engineer. 
You will design and build new production trading
systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and 
large-scale storage systems.

We seek a candidate with a proven track record of building correct, 
well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering
complex projects on time. You should preferably have experience designing and 
implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems.
Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing 
systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus. We
are getting big fast. Willingness to take initiative, and a gritty 
determination to productize, are essential.

Join a team that includes faculty at premier universities and PhD's from 
top-tier schools, led by the founder and CEO of a
successful Internet infrastructure startup. You will have a high impact, and 
you can expect frequent interaction with the
researchers, officers, and founders.

Compensation and benefits are highly competitive.

Qualifications:

* Experience developing with C/C++/Python/Go in a Linux environment with a 
focus on performance, concurrency, and correctness.
* Experience working in TCP/IP networking, multithreading and server 
development.
* Experience working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, 
HTTP, SNMP, etc.)
* Experience architecting and designing highly-available critical systems.
* Experience architecting and designing large-scale data management 
infrastructure.
* Experience working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.

Useful Skills:

* Experience with debugging and performance profiling, including the use of 
tools such as strace, valgrind, gdb, tcpdump, etc.
* Experience with build and test automation tools.
* Experience working with well-defined change management processes.
* Has experience hunting down RDBMS performance problems, understands indexing 
options, can read an execution/explain plan, has some
experience with ORM and optimization at the code layer, etc.
* Experience with messaging queues (such as RabbitMQ and Redis), as well as 
distributed caching systems.
**
This group is currently managing a very healthy amount of capital. And their 
job description above is really just a starting point
in terms of possible responsibilities and seniority.  They can be very flexible 
for the right person.

If you are interested, let me know the best way to get in touch and we can 
discuss details.

Talk soon,

Charles Weitzer

CEO\Senior Recruiter
Charles Weitzer and Associates, Inc.
Global Financial Recruiting Services
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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
 In article b509998d-c547-4638-8810-0388c0894...@googlegroups.com,
  sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints, just
 give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually interested
 in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make lots of money
 so I want to be one.

 This post is a sine of the times.

Don't go off on a tangent.
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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Mark Lawrence

On 10/11/2014 19:24, Peter Otten wrote:

sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:


Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints,
just give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually
interested in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make
lots of money so I want to be one.


I'm sorry I have to decline your kind offer unless you also let me do your
dishes and walk your dog.



Quote Of The Day/Week/Month/Year/Decade/Millenium*

* please delete whichever you feel is appropriate

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Mark Lawrence

On 10/11/2014 11:31, David Palao wrote:

My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected back in
the foreseeable future.


Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.



Especially in the future when sombody asks Who the hell was he replying 
to?.


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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Ethan Furman

On 11/10/2014 11:59 AM, Larry Martell wrote:

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:

In article b509998d-c547-4638-8810-0388c0894...@googlegroups.com,
  sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:


Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints, just
give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually interested
in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make lots of money
so I want to be one.


This post is a sine of the times.


Don't go off on a tangent.


Please!  We don't need all this hyperbole!

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Re: A syntax question

2014-11-10 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-11-10 20:08, Mark Lawrence wrote:
 On 10/11/2014 11:31, David Palao wrote:
  My crystal ball is currently in for repair and is not expected
  back in the foreseeable future.
 
  Without a crystal ball, this prediction might be not well founded.
 
 
 Especially in the future when sombody asks Who the hell was he
 replying to?.

That might be a concern if the mail.python.org archive failed,
and all usenet archives fell offline.  Since the threading wasn't
broken, it's a simple matter of looking at the previous message in the
thread, as referenced in the appropriate headers:

In-Reply-To: bf18w.682041$9R5.556154@fx29.am4
References: m3q6ae$m8p$1...@news.albasani.net 
bf18w.682041$9R5.556154@fx29.am4

where that particular message can be found.  Any competent mailer or
news client should handle threading without the user even thinking
about it.

It might also be more of a concern if there was actual
question/answer content rather than just a little throw-away humor.

-tkc



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Re: locale.getlocale() in cmd.exe vs. Idle

2014-11-10 Thread Terry Reedy

On 11/10/2014 4:22 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:

Hi,

Why do I get different output for locale.getlocale() in Idle vs. cmd.exe?

# IDLE
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type copyright, credits or license() for more information.

import locale
locale.getdefaultlocale()

('nl_NL', 'cp1252')

locale.getlocale()

('Dutch_Netherlands', '1252')  # I need this specific notation




# cmd.exe or Ipython
C:\Users\albertjanpython
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.

import locale
locale.getdefaultlocale()

('nl_NL', 'cp1252')

locale.getlocale()

(None, None)

# using setlocale does work (one of these instances when I answer my own 
question while writing to the Python list)
C:\Users\albertjanpython
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Nov 27 2010, 18:30:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on 
win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.

import locale
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, )

'Dutch_Netherlands.1252'

locale.getlocale()

('Dutch_Netherlands', '1252')


Idle runs code in an environment that is slightly altered from the 
standard python startup environment'.  idlelib.IOBinding has this

'''
# Try setting the locale, so that we can find out
# what encoding to use
try:
import locale
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_CTYPE, )
'''
idlelib.run, which runs in the user-code subprocess, imports IOBinding. 
Setting LC_CTYPE is sufficient for getlocale() to not return null values.


C:\Users\Terrypython -c import locale; print(locale.getlocale())
(None, None)

C:\Users\Terrypython -c import locale; 
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_CTYPE, ''); print(locale.getlocale())

('English_United States', '1252')

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Re: What does zip mean?

2014-11-10 Thread Gregory Ewing

Grant Edwards wrote:


What the zipper on a coat does is convert two separate sequences into
a single sequence where the members alternate between the two input
sequences.


True, the zipper analogy isn't quite accurate. It's
hard to think of an equally concise and suggestive
name, however.

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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-10, sohcahto...@gmail.com sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me
 hints, just give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not
 actually interested in learning how to program, but I know software
 engineers make lots of money so I want to be one.

That's the saddest troll I've seen in ages.

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Re: What does zip mean?

2014-11-10 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 10Nov2014 17:19, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:

On 2014-11-10, giacomo boffi giacomo_bo...@inwind.it wrote:

To help you understanding what is the `zip` builtin, please forget
about PKZip etc and think about the _zip fastener_ or _zipper_ in
your bag or in your trousers

In the bag you have two sequences of teeth that the zipper
binds together in interlocking pairs


No, you don't. That's not how a zipper works.  Each tooth from side A,
isn't bound with one from side B.  It's bound with _two_ of them from
side B. And each of those is in turn bound with an additional tooth
from side A, and so on...


This is true, but the analogy is still the correct one:-)

Your nitpicking will not help the OP.

Cheers,
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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Denis McMahon
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:56:18 -0800, sohcahtoa82 wrote:

 ... I know software engineers
 make lots of money so I want to be one.

I hear that pretty boy male escorts can make even more money than 
software engineers.

They also don't need to learn how to program, which is something software 
engineers do need to do, so it sounds as if you'd be better off signing 
up with an escort agency.

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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Monday, November 10, 2014 1:01:05 PM UTC-8, Grant Edwards wrote:
 On 2014-11-10, sohcahtoa82 sohcahtoa82 wrote:
 
  Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me
  hints, just give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not
  actually interested in learning how to program, but I know software
  engineers make lots of money so I want to be one.
 
 That's the saddest troll I've seen in ages.
 

Either you and I have a different definition of what a troll is, or your 
ability to detect parody and recognize a joke is a bit off.
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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:45 PM,  sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday, November 10, 2014 1:01:05 PM UTC-8, Grant Edwards wrote:
 On 2014-11-10, sohcahtoa82 sohcahtoa82 wrote:

  Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me
  hints, just give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not
  actually interested in learning how to program, but I know software
  engineers make lots of money so I want to be one.

 That's the saddest troll I've seen in ages.


 Either you and I have a different definition of what a troll is, or your 
 ability to detect parody and recognize a joke is a bit off.

The former, probably. It may have been amusing, but it was nonetheless
an off-topic post seeking to get a reaction, i.e. a troll.
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Re: ssl error with the python mac binary

2014-11-10 Thread Ned Deily
In article 
CACgdh2iG9+cLjj7mZ7qeALQd==pcrknnv8i_eerj6ahjvg3...@mail.gmail.com,
 Paul Wiseman poal...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been using the latest mac ppc/i386 binaries from python.org
 (https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.8/python-2.7.8-macosx10.5.dmg).
 From what I can tell this version is linked against a pretty old
 version of OpenSSL (OpenSSL 0.9.7l 28 Sep 2006) which doesn't seem to
 be able to handle new sha-256 certificates.
 
 For example I'm unable to use pip (I guess the certificate was updated 
 recently)

Yes, the current python.org certificate does seem to cause problems for 
that version of OpenSSL, unfortunately.

 Am I right in thinking this is an issue with the build of python
 itself? Is there a way I can upgrade the version of OpenSSL linked
 with python- or force the python build to look elsewhere for the
 library? Or will I have to build my own from source?

In the Pythons from the python.org OS X installers, the Python _ssl and 
_hashlib extension modules are dynamically linked with the 
system-supplied OpenSSL libraries.  If actually running on OS X 10.5, 
one would have to rebuild _ssl.so and _hashlib.so, linking them with a 
locally-supplied version of a newer OpenSSL, since different versions of 
OpenSSL are not ABI-compatible, e.g. 0.9.7 vs 0.9.8 vs 1.0.1.  If 
running on OS X 10.6 or later, another option might be to install from 
the 64-bit/32-bit installer which is a good idea to do anyway.  For pip 
usage, a workaround would be to manually download distributions from 
PyPI (or elsewhere) using a web browser and then use pip to install from 
the downloaded file.   The next version of pip is expected to have a 
--no-check-certificate option that bypasses the certificate check at the 
cost of reduced security.  For the upcoming Python 2.7.9 release 
(planned for early December), I intend to have the Pythons in the 
python.org OS X installers use their own versions of OpenSSL and thus no 
longer depend on the now-deprecated system OpenSSL.

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Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do?

2014-11-10 Thread MRAB

On 2014-11-10 20:16, Ethan Furman wrote:

On 11/10/2014 11:59 AM, Larry Martell wrote:

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:

In article b509998d-c547-4638-8810-0388c0894...@googlegroups.com,
  sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:


Please help me this assignment is due in an hour.  Don't give me hints, just
give me the answer because I only want a grade.  I'm not actually interested
in learning how to program, but I know software engineers make lots of money
so I want to be one.


This post is a sine of the times.


Don't go off on a tangent.


Please!  We don't need all this hyperbole!


... cos it's off-topic.

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What does (?Pname) pattern syntax do?

2014-11-10 Thread satishmlmlml
What does ?P and part1 match in the following piece of code?

re.search('(?Ppart1\w*)/(?Ppart2\w*)', '...aaa/bbb/ccc]').groups()
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Re: What does (?Pname) pattern syntax do?

2014-11-10 Thread Ben Finney
satishmlm...@gmail.com writes:

 What does ?P and part1 match in the following piece of code?

Learn about Python's regular expression features from the documentation
URL:https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html.

Experiment with regular expressions using online tools such as
URL:https://pythex.org/.

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Re: What does zip mean?

2014-11-10 Thread Terry Reedy

On 11/10/2014 3:36 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 10Nov2014 17:19, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:

On 2014-11-10, giacomo boffi giacomo_bo...@inwind.it wrote:

To help you understanding what is the `zip` builtin, please forget
about PKZip etc and think about the _zip fastener_ or _zipper_ in
your bag or in your trousers

In the bag you have two sequences of teeth that the zipper
binds together in interlocking pairs


No, you don't. That's not how a zipper works.  Each tooth from side A,
isn't bound with one from side B.  It's bound with _two_ of them from
side B. And each of those is in turn bound with an additional tooth
from side A, and so on...


This is true, but the analogy is still the correct one:-)


Perhaps ironically in this context, zippers replaced hook-and-eye 
fastening, where the two sequences *are* matched in parallel.  Hookless 
fastener was one of the original names (Wikipedia).


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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Paddy
On Monday, 10 November 2014 19:44:39 UTC, Ian  wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Peter Otten xxx@yyy wrote:
  I'm not sure this works. I tried:
 
 Here's a simpler failure case.
 
  ineq = f2  f3
 ... f3  f1
 
 [Previously posted code elided]
 
  greater_thans
 set([('f3', 'f1'), ('f2', 'f3')])
  sorted(all_f, cmp=lambda t1, t2: 0 if t1==t2 else
 ... (1 if (t1, t2) not in greater_thans else -1))
 ['f1', 'f2', 'f3']
 
 Note that the greater_thans set is missing the implication by
 transitivity that f2  f1, so the given cmp function would
 inconsistently return -1 for both comparisons cmp('f1', 'f2') and
 cmp('f2', 'f1').

Thanks. I will look into this...
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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Paddy
On Monday, 10 November 2014 18:45:15 UTC, Paddy  wrote:
 Hi, I do agree with   
Raymond H. about the relative merits of cmp= and key= in 
 sort/sorted, but I decided to also not let natural uses of cmp= pass silently.
 
 In answering this question, http://stackoverflow.com/a/26850434/10562 about 
 ordering subject to inequalities it seemed natural to use the cmp= argument 
 of sort rather than key=.
 
 The question is about merging given inequalities to make 1 inequality such 
 that the inequalities also stays true.
 
 

Thanks Peter, Ian. I have modified my code to expand transitive relations and 
ask you to view it on stackoverflow via the original link (as posting code on 
newsgroups is an ugly hack).

My main reason for the post to c.l.p remains though; it seems like a *natural* 
use of the cmp= comparator function to sorted rather than using key= .

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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Paddy paddy3...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday, 10 November 2014 18:45:15 UTC, Paddy  wrote:
 Hi, I do agree with  
 Raymond H. about the relative merits of cmp= and key= in 
 sort/sorted, but I decided to also not let natural uses of cmp= pass 
 silently.

 In answering this question, http://stackoverflow.com/a/26850434/10562 about 
 ordering subject to inequalities it seemed natural to use the cmp= argument 
 of sort rather than key=.

 The question is about merging given inequalities to make 1 inequality such 
 that the inequalities also stays true.



 Thanks Peter, Ian. I have modified my code to expand transitive relations and 
 ask you to view it on stackoverflow via the original link (as posting code on 
 newsgroups is an ugly hack).

You still run into trouble though if the given inequalities don't
provide enough information for a total ordering. E.g.:

 '  '.join(extract_relations(f4  f1
... f2  f3))
'f1  f2  f3  f4'

By adding some debugging prints, we can see what cmp calls were made
by the sort routine and what the results were:

cmp('f2', 'f1') - 1
cmp('f3', 'f2') - 1
cmp('f4', 'f3') - 1

There is no information about the relative order of f2 and f1, so the
cmp function just returns 1 there.
f2 is known to be greater than f3, so that call correctly returns 1.
There is again no information about the relative order of f4 and f3,
so it again just returns 1. However, this is inconsistent with the
first comparison that placed f1  f2, because it implies that f1  f4.

As you can see, giving an inconsistent cmp function to sort produces
bogus results. If you only have a partial ordering of the inputs, you
need to make sure that the cmp function you provide is consistent with
*some* total ordering.

Another issue is that your expand_transitive_relations function is I
think O(n**3 log n), which looks unattractive compared to the O(n**2)
topological sort given in the other answers. Another advantage of the
topological sort is that it will detect if the graph is cyclic (i.e.
the input data itself is inconsistent), rather than just return a
bogus output.

 My main reason for the post to c.l.p remains though; it seems like a 
 *natural* use of the cmp= comparator function to sorted rather than using 
 key= .

There are cases where a cmp function is more natural than a key
function, but for these we have the functools.cmp_to_key adapter.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Dinamically set __call__ method

2014-11-10 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
 (BTW, I'm actually surprised that this technique makes c callable.
 There must be more going on that just look up __call__ in the class
 object, because evaluating C.__call__ just returns the descriptor
 and doesn't invoking the descriptor mechanism.)

But of course it doesn't just lookup C.__call__, because it has to
bind the method to the instance before calling it, which means
invoking the descriptor protocol. The actual lookup is more like:

type(a).__dict__['__call__'].__get__(a, type(a))
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Re: Natural use of cmp= in sort

2014-11-10 Thread Paddy
On Tuesday, 11 November 2014 06:37:18 UTC, Ian  wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Paddy paddyxxx-at-xmail.com wrote:
  On Monday, 10 November 2014 18:45:15 UTC, Paddy  wrote:
  Hi, I do agree with
Raymond H. about the relative merits of cmp= and key= in 
  sort/sorted, but I decided to also not let natural uses of cmp= pass 
  silently.
 
  In answering this question, http://stackoverflow.com/a/26850434/10562 
  about ordering subject to inequalities it seemed natural to use the cmp= 
  argument of sort rather than key=.
 
  The question is about merging given inequalities to make 1 inequality such 
  that the inequalities also stays true.
 
 
 
  Thanks Peter, Ian. I have modified my code to expand transitive relations 
  and ask you to view it on stackoverflow via the original link (as posting 
  code on newsgroups is an ugly hack).
 
 You still run into trouble though if the given inequalities don't
 provide enough information for a total ordering. E.g.:
 
  '  '.join(extract_relations(f4  f1
 ... f2  f3))
 'f1  f2  f3  f4'
 
 By adding some debugging prints, we can see what cmp calls were made
 by the sort routine and what the results were:
 
 cmp('f2', 'f1') - 1
 cmp('f3', 'f2') - 1
 cmp('f4', 'f3') - 1
 
 There is no information about the relative order of f2 and f1, so the
 cmp function just returns 1 there.
 f2 is known to be greater than f3, so that call correctly returns 1.
 There is again no information about the relative order of f4 and f3,
 so it again just returns 1. However, this is inconsistent with the
 first comparison that placed f1  f2, because it implies that f1  f4.
 
 As you can see, giving an inconsistent cmp function to sort produces
 bogus results. If you only have a partial ordering of the inputs, you
 need to make sure that the cmp function you provide is consistent with
 *some* total ordering.
 
 Another issue is that your expand_transitive_relations function is I
 think O(n**3 log n), which looks unattractive compared to the O(n**2)
 topological sort given in the other answers. Another advantage of the
 topological sort is that it will detect if the graph is cyclic (i.e.
 the input data itself is inconsistent), rather than just return a
 bogus output.
 
  My main reason for the post to c.l.p remains though; it seems like a 
  *natural* use of the cmp= comparator function to sorted rather than using 
  key= .
 
 There are cases where a cmp function is more natural than a key
 function, but for these we have the functools.cmp_to_key adapter.

Thanks Ian. The original author states ...and it is sure that the given inputs 
will give an output, i.e., the inputs will always be valid., which could be 
taken as meaning that all inputs are sufficient, well formed, and contain all 
relations as their first example does.

In that case, expand_transitive_relations is not even needed. Lets say it isn't 
for the sake of argument, then we are left with the direct use of cmp= versus a 
conversion to a key= function.

It seems to me that *in this case* the cmp= function naturally flows from the 
solution algorithm and that cmp_to_key is less so.

Yes, I knew that there are cases where a cmp function is more natural than key; 
the idea is to squirrel out a few. We have already made the, (well reasoned in 
my opinion), decision to go down the key= route in Python 3. I also like to 
track where my algorithms might originally map to cmp=. (It is not often).

My only other case of this type is here: 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15797120/can-this-cmp-function-be-better-written-as-a-key-for-sorted.
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[issue22434] Use named constants internally in the re module

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset fc7dbba57869 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue #22434: Constants in sre_constants are now named constants (enum-like).
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/fc7dbba57869

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[issue22824] Update reprlib to use set literals

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

The repr of empty array() should be fixed too.

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[issue21301] pathlib missing Path.expandvars(env=os.environ)

2014-11-10 Thread Wolfgang Langner

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expandvars(), and expanduser() is part of os.path.

Boot functions are needed for path objects and very useful.
And yes it is a simple string substitution but very common.

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[issue19767] pathlib: iterfiles() and iterdirs()

2014-11-10 Thread Wolfgang Langner

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Why not implement this pattern with

def dirs(pattern)
and 
def files(pattern)

where both are a simple shortcut for
(p for p in mypath.glob(pattern) if p is_file())
or is_dir()

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[issue22821] Argument of wrong type is passed to fcntl()

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset 61e99438c237 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '2.7':
Issue #22821: Fixed fcntl() with integer argument on 64-bit big-endian
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/61e99438c237

New changeset 45e8aed69767 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '3.4':
Issue #22821: Fixed fcntl() with integer argument on 64-bit big-endian
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/45e8aed69767

New changeset 2d203a0b7908 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue #22821: Fixed fcntl() with integer argument on 64-bit big-endian
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/2d203a0b7908

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[issue22821] Argument of wrong type is passed to fcntl()

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

 Fixed in 3.5 as part of 6e6532d313a1 as it was easier to integrate it as
 part of the Clinic patch.

6e6532d313a1 has introduced other bug (l was parsed to int). Changed to I 
for reasons described in the comment in fcntl_ioctl_impl().

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[issue22821] Argument of wrong type is passed to fcntl()

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

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[issue22490] Using realpath for __PYVENV_LAUNCHER__ makes Homebrew installs fragile

2014-11-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren

Ronald Oussoren added the comment:

The environment variable itself cannot be removed from CPython, it is necessary 
to implement the correct behavior of pyvenv with framework builds of Python.

That said, I do think that the environment variable should be unset as soon as 
possible in the CPython startup code to avoid accidentally affecting other 
interpreters.

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[issue22813] No facility for test randomisation

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

The point is that it is easy to have unintentional dependencies between tests. 
Test a sets up some state that test b relies on. This means that test b passes, 
so long as test a has already run. This is bad, tests should be isolated - it 
also means you can break test b when you change test a. Randomising test run 
order means you discover these unintentional dependencies earlier.

With test randomisation you ideally need the seed to be displayed as part of 
the test run, and you need to be able to run with a particular seed. This 
enables you to reproduce failures, or odd results, from any particular test run.

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[issue22827] Backport ensurepip to 2.7 (PEP 477)

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

mock in the Python standard library is licensed under the PSF license.

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[issue22836] Broken Exception ignored in: message on exceptions in __repr__

2014-11-10 Thread Florian Bruhin

New submission from Florian Bruhin:

When there's an unraisable exception (e.g. in __del__), and there's an 
exception in __repr__ as well, PyErr_WriteUnraisable returns after writing 
Exception ignored in: immediately.

I'd expect it to fall back to the default __repr__ instead.

See the attached example script.

Output with 3.4:

=== Obj ===
Exception ignored in: bound method Obj.__del__ of __main__.Obj object at 
0x7fd842deb4a8
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File test.py, line 4, in __del__
raise Exception('in del')
Exception: in del
=== BrokenObj ===
Exception ignored in: (no newline)

Output with 2.7:

=== Obj ===
Exception Exception: Exception('in del',) in bound method Obj.__del__ of 
__main__.Obj object at 0x7fa824dbfa50 ignored
=== BrokenObj ===
Exception Exception: Exception('in del',) in  ignored

The output with 2.7 is a bit more useful, but still confusing.

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[issue12728] Python re lib fails case insensitive matches on Unicode data

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset 4caa695af94c by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '2.7':
Issue #12728: Different Unicode characters having the same uppercase but
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/4caa695af94c

New changeset 47b3084dd6aa by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '3.4':
Issue #12728: Different Unicode characters having the same uppercase but
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/47b3084dd6aa

New changeset 09ec09cfe539 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue #12728: Different Unicode characters having the same uppercase but
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/09ec09cfe539

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[issue12728] Python re lib fails case insensitive matches on Unicode data

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

This solution (with hardcoded table of equivalent lowercases) is temporary. In 
future re engine will be changed to support correct caseless matching of 
different lowercase forms internally.

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[issue22578] Add additional attributes to re.error

2014-11-10 Thread Ezio Melotti

Ezio Melotti added the comment:

LGTM.

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[issue22837] getpass returns garbage when typing tilde on Windows with deadkeys

2014-11-10 Thread Florian Bruhin

New submission from Florian Bruhin:

When using getpass.getpass() on Windows and typing a tilde (~) with a layout 
with dead keys (e.g. Swiss German), one would typically type ~  to get a 
single tilde.

However, this returns '\x00\x83~' with getpass. It seems this is what 
msvcrt.getch() returns.

Microsofts documentation at 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa297934(v=vs.60).aspx only says When 
reading a function key or an arrow key, _getch and _getche must be called 
twice; the first call returns 0 or 0xE0, and the second call returns the actual 
key code. which doesn't really apply to this.

It seems to work fine with other dead keys like ` or ^.

Unless someone knows more about what's happening here I'd suggest replacing 
'\x00\x83~' by '~' in getpass.

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[issue22836] Broken Exception ignored in: message on exceptions in __repr__

2014-11-10 Thread Martin Panter

Martin Panter added the comment:

This is one that has often bugged me. When your repr() implementation is 
broken, it is quite confusing figuring out what is going wrong. Falling back to 
object.__repr__() is one option, however I would probably be happy with a 
simple “exception in repr()” message, and a proper newline.

Another way that I have come across this is:

$ python -c 'import sys; sys.stdout.detach()'
Exception ignored in: [no newline]

The workaround there is to set sys.stdout = None. In that case I think 
repr(sys.stdout) is trying to say “ValueError: underlying buffer has been 
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[issue21724] resetwarnings doesn't reset warnings registry

2014-11-10 Thread Robert Muil

Changes by Robert Muil robertm...@gmail.com:


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[issue22836] Broken Exception ignored in: message on exceptions in __repr__

2014-11-10 Thread Florian Bruhin

Changes by Florian Bruhin python@the-compiler.org:


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[issue22837] getpass returns garbage when typing tilde on Windows with deadkeys

2014-11-10 Thread Florian Bruhin

Changes by Florian Bruhin python@the-compiler.org:


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[issue22578] Add additional attributes to re.error

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset 292c4d853662 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue #22578: Added attributes to the re.error class.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/292c4d853662

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[issue22431] Change format of test runner output

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

I agree with Robert that the text output of the default runner should not be 
considered a part of the api that we make backwards compatible guarantees 
about. People who want to customise that should be customising the text 
runner/result. (Unfortunately it requires tinkering with both at the moment.)

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[issue22578] Add additional attributes to re.error

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset 07f082b200a7 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Fixed IDLE tests after changing re error messages (issue #22578).
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/07f082b200a7

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[issue22198] Odd floor-division corner case

2014-11-10 Thread Petr Viktorin

Petr Viktorin added the comment:

ping, could someone please review the patch?

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[issue22578] Add additional attributes to re.error

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Thank you Ezio for your review.

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[issue22837] getpass returns garbage when typing tilde on Windows with deadkeys

2014-11-10 Thread Florian Bruhin

Florian Bruhin added the comment:

Maybe this is related: U+0083 is the no break here char:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0083/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C0_and_C1_control_codes#C1_set

From wikipedia: Follows the graphic character that is not to be broken.

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[issue22833] The decode_header() function decodes raw part to bytes or str, depending on encoded part

2014-11-10 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

This is a duplicate of issue 6302.  Re-reading that issue (again), I'm not 
quite sure why we didn't fix it, but it may be too late to fix it now for 
backward compatibility reasons.

Since that issue strayed off into other topics, I'm going to leave this one 
open to consider whether or not we can/should fix this.  The new email API does 
avoid this problem, though.  Is there a reason you are choosing not to use the 
new API?

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[issue22834] Unexpected FileNotFoundError when current directory is removed

2014-11-10 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

Looks like importlib doesn't handle the case of a directory on the path being 
deleted?  If so, I'm surprised this hasn't been reported before.

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[issue22835] urllib2/httplib is rendering 400s for every authenticated-SSL request, suddenly

2014-11-10 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

If you haven't updated Python, then it is hard to see how this could be a 
python bug.  Not impossible, but you'll have to narrow down the problem before 
you'd be able to demonstrate it as a python bug, I'm afraid.

If you want help diagnosing this, you might try the python-list mailing list, 
though it sounds like a nginx forum might be equally useful at this stage 
(determining what exactly is going on protocol wise that is different between 
your two test cases).

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[issue22836] Broken Exception ignored in: message on exceptions in __repr__

2014-11-10 Thread R. David Murray

Changes by R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com:


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[issue22364] Improve some re error messages using regex for hints

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Here is a patch which makes re error messages match regex. It doesn't look to 
me that all these changes are enhancements.

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[issue22838] Convert re tests to unittest

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

New submission from Serhiy Storchaka:

Current re tests consists of two parts. One part use unittest and other part 
import test cases from Lib/test/re_tests.py, checks conditions and prints 
messages to stdout if they are false.

Proposed patch converts all test_re to using unittest.

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[issue11907] SysLogHandler can't send long messages

2014-11-10 Thread Domen Kožar

Domen Kožar added the comment:

Note: same bug is relevant to DatagramHandler since it uses UDP transport.

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[issue22839] Incorrect link to statistics in tracemalloc documentation

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Sharpe

New submission from Jonathan Sharpe:

The link to statistics in the documentation for 
tracemalloc.Snapshot.compare_to 
(https://docs.python.org/3/library/tracemalloc.html#tracemalloc.Snapshot.compare_to)
 should be to the statistics method 
(https://docs.python.org/3/library/tracemalloc.html#tracemalloc.Snapshot.statistics),
 per the description, not to the statistics module 
(https://docs.python.org/3/library/statistics.html#module-statistics), where it 
currently points.

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[issue22800] IPv6Network constructor sometimes does not recognize legitimate netmask

2014-11-10 Thread pmoody

pmoody added the comment:

 # We only support CIDR for IPv6, because expanded netmasks are not
 # standard notation.

Yes, that's correct. I can double check this, but when I wrote ipaddress, I had 
yet to encounter a v6 netmask in anything other than cider notation.

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[issue22800] IPv6Network constructor sometimes does not recognize legitimate netmask

2014-11-10 Thread pmoody

pmoody added the comment:

Hey Chris,

What's the usecase for this? the netmask notation doesn't appear to be common 
for v6 (at all), so I'm hesitant to add support for this if it's just something 
like an academic exercise.

Cheers,
peter

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[issue22800] IPv6Network constructor sometimes does not recognize legitimate netmask

2014-11-10 Thread Chris PeBenito

Chris PeBenito added the comment:

I understand the resistance; I'm fine closing this as won't implement, though 
this is not for academic use.  In a nutshell, my package currently has a set of 
classes to represent an SELinux policy, and the SELinux policy language 
represents networks with extended netmask[1].  I control the package, so I can 
change the internal representation from extended netmask to CIDR, so it's not 
the end of the world.

[1] example statement: nodecon ff00:: ff00:: system_u:object_r:multicast_node_t

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[issue22800] IPv6Network constructor sometimes does not recognize legitimate netmask

2014-11-10 Thread pmoody

pmoody added the comment:

If you have the ability to use cidr, then closing this as wontfix is my 
preference. I've heard that there might be some network vendors that are 
starting support the mask notation for v6 addresses though, so this may end up 
getting implemented at some point in future anyway.

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[issue22581] Other mentions of the buffer protocol

2014-11-10 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Here is a patch which fixes remnants. It also corrects descriptions of parsing 
arguments format units.

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[issue22839] Incorrect link to statistics in tracemalloc documentation

2014-11-10 Thread Roundup Robot

Roundup Robot added the comment:

New changeset 387bbada31e8 by Berker Peksag in branch '3.4':
Issue #22839: Fix Snapshot.statistics() link.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/387bbada31e8

New changeset 524a004e93dd by Berker Peksag in branch 'default':
Issue #22839: Fix Snapshot.statistics() link.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/524a004e93dd

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[issue22839] Incorrect link to statistics in tracemalloc documentation

2014-11-10 Thread Berker Peksag

Berker Peksag added the comment:

Fixed. Thanks for the report, Jonathan.

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[issue22833] The decode_header() function decodes raw part to bytes or str, depending on encoded part

2014-11-10 Thread py.user

py.user added the comment:

R. David Murray wrote:
Is there a reason you are choosing not to use the new API?

My program is for Python 3.x. I need to decode wild headers to pretty unicode 
strings. Now, I do it by decode_header() and try...except for AttributeError, 
since a unicode string has no .decode() method.

I don't know what is new API, but I guess it's not compatible with Python 3.0.

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[issue22840] strpdate('20141110', '%Y%m%d%H%S') returns wrong date

2014-11-10 Thread Doug Gorley

New submission from Doug Gorley:

strptime() is returning the wrong date if I try to parse today's date 
(2014-11-10) as a string with no separators, and if I ask strpdate() to look 
for nonexistent hour and minute fields.

 datetime.datetime.strptime('20141110', '%Y%m%d').isoformat()
'2014-11-10T00:00:00'
 datetime.datetime.strptime('20141110', '%Y%m%d%H%M').isoformat()
'2014-01-01T01:00:00'

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[issue22835] urllib2/httplib is rendering 400s for every authenticated-SSL request, suddenly

2014-11-10 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

No upgrades on the server either?

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[issue22840] strpdate('20141110', '%Y%m%d%H%S') returns wrong date

2014-11-10 Thread Ethan Furman

Ethan Furman added the comment:

What result did you expect?

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[issue22840] strpdate('20141110', '%Y%m%d%H%S') returns wrong date

2014-11-10 Thread Doug Gorley

Doug Gorley added the comment:

I expected the second call to strpdate() to throw an exception, because %Y 
consumed '2014', %m consumed '11', and %d consumed '10', leaving nothing for %H 
and %M to match.  That would be consistent with the first call.

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[issue22833] The decode_header() function decodes raw part to bytes or str, depending on encoded part

2014-11-10 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

Certainly not with 3.0, but nobody in their right mind should be using that 
version any more :).

The new API for decoding headers is available as of Python 3.3, with additional 
new API features in 3.4.  See 

https://docs.python.org/3/library/email-examples.html#examples-using-the-provisional-api

for an example.  Note that although the API is 'provisional', I anticipate no 
non-trivial changes when it becomes final in 3.5.  (The only API change that 
has happened has been done such that you get warnings if you use it wrong in 
3.4, and is in a relatively obscure method (is_attachment).

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