Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/23 15:33, Thomas Passin wrote: > OTOH, Qt isn't free for commercial use and the OP seems to be > speculating on coming up with a product to sell at some point. Careful. That's not actually true, even though the marketing team at Qt lets people believe it is. Qt is licensed under the LGPL, which you can definitely use in a proprietary, close-source app, provided you use the dynamically-linked version (which PySide does of course) and do not modify it. Qt's commerical licensing is very hostile to small companies, I can say that much. It's too bad really. But the LGPL will work for most companies, except for those that might wish to use the embedded version, such as in cars where being able to abide by the terms of the LGPL becomes difficult. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 01/04/2023 18:21, Jim Schwartz wrote: > Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to > python? There is nothing remotely like the VB or Delphi GUI builders. There are some tools somewhat similar to the Java Swing and FX GUI builders with varying degrees of bugginess. And there are a few bespoke GUI type tools such as Dabo for building specific types of applications. But most Python GUI developers seem to prefer to just hard code the Python, once you get used to it there's not much time saving with the GUI tools. The real time consuming stuff in building GUIs is getting the basic design right and keeping all the controls, keyboard bindings and menus in sync. State management in other words. I did a deep dive examination of GUI builders back around v2.6 and came away less than enthused. Things may have improved since then but I've seen no real evidence of that. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 2023-04-01, Thomas Passin wrote: > Having worked with both, I'd rather use PyQt, although Tk might be > easier to get a toy app going with. Both editing windows and packing > are easier for me to understand with PyQt, for one thing. With tk it is _very_ easy to get small apps going. As the apps get larger and more complex, I find it easier to use wxPython or pyGTK (never tried pyQt). However, if you want to package that small app using cxfreeze (or whatever) tk tends to produce pretty large bundles compared to others. -- Grant -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/2023 5:11 PM, Barry Scott wrote: On 1 Apr 2023, at 18:47, Igor Korot wrote: I suggest going with wxPython/wxGlade. I ported all my wxPython code to PyQt and have not regretted it. wxPython was (its been a while so may not be an issue now) far to hard to make consistent across OS, my apps run on Linux, macOS and Windows. I found that PyQt was easier to get working. Barry Having worked with both, I'd rather use PyQt, although Tk might be easier to get a toy app going with. Both editing windows and packing are easier for me to understand with PyQt, for one thing. OTOH, Qt isn't free for commercial use and the OP seems to be speculating on coming up with a product to sell at some point. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
> On 1 Apr 2023, at 18:47, Igor Korot wrote: > > I suggest going with wxPython/wxGlade. I ported all my wxPython code to PyQt and have not regretted it. wxPython was (its been a while so may not be an issue now) far to hard to make consistent across OS, my apps run on Linux, macOS and Windows. I found that PyQt was easier to get working. Barry -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: [Python-Dev] Small lament...
Yea, it is funny. I commented on it. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Eryk Sun Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2023 2:23 PM To: Skip Montanaro Cc: Python ; python-dev Dev Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Small lament... On 4/1/23, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Just wanted to throw this out there... I lament the loss of waking up > on April 1st to see a creative April Fool's Day joke on one or both of > these lists, often from our FLUFL... Maybe such frivolity still > happens, just not in the Python ecosystem? I thought this one was funny: https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/103172 -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
tkinter is part of python e. Am 01.04.23 um 13:59 schrieb Jim Schwartz: I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What packages would allow me to do that? Thanks. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Python-Dev] Small lament...
On 4/1/23, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Just wanted to throw this out there... I lament the loss of waking up on > April 1st to see a creative April Fool's Day joke on one or both of these > lists, often from our FLUFL... Maybe such frivolity still happens, just not > in the Python ecosystem? I thought this one was funny: https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/103172 -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/23 11:34, Eryk Sun wrote: On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it. For Qt, the WYSIWYG UI editor is Qt Designer. The basics are covered in the following PySide tutorial: https://www.pythonguis.com/pyside2-tutorial Also here is a decent tutorial: https://realpython.com/qt-designer-python/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Python-Dev] Small lament...
Oh, man, it has been a while. The last one I remember is PEP 404 (if you can find it :) ), dated 2011 and it wasn't an April Fool's... On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 11:23 AM Skip Montanaro wrote: > Just wanted to throw this out there... I lament the loss of waking up on > April 1st to see a creative April Fool's Day joke on one or both of these > lists, often from our FLUFL... Maybe such frivolity still happens, just not in > the Python ecosystem? I know you can still import "this" or > "antigravity", but those are now old (both introduced before 2010). When > was the last time a clever easter egg was introduced or an April Fool's Day > joke played? > > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > Skip > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-...@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-...@python.org/message/Q62W2Q6R6XMX57WK2CUGEENHMT3C3REF/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 01.04.2023 19:30, Igor Korot wrote: Look at wxGlade (a project designed for wxWidgets). You will design you layout and then just save it as a py file. wxGlade also includes a tutorial to get you started with wxPython itself. You should be able create basic GUIs within a few hours. See https://discuss.wxpython.org/ for support on wxPython and the wxGlade mailing list. Regards, Dietmar -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
Hi, Thomas, On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 12:40 PM Thomas Passin wrote: > > On 4/1/2023 1:28 PM, Thomas Passin wrote: > > On 4/1/2023 1:21 PM, Jim Schwartz wrote: > >> Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it > >> to python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time > >> consuming. > > > > Depends on what you mean by "let me design the screen", but Pyside > > (which I think is now called Pyside2) may be suitable. It is part the > > Qt framework. > > I should have added that in my experience, the screen layout of controls > is not the hardest and most time-consuming part of developing GUIs. The > hard part is getting the screen elements and other components to do what > you want in the way that you want it. > > For example, the Tk.Text class can be used as a fairly full-featured > editor, but try figuring out how to highlight part of the text - not so > obvious. Or say you decide you want to have a button flash when > clicked, but you don't like the standard flash effect and want to change > it. Those are a few of the kinds of things that you have to deal with > and that soak up the time. It's not usually screen design. I suggest going with wxPython/wxGlade. Thank you. > > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Apr 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Eryk Sun wrote: > >>> > >>> On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: > I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I > want to > add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What > packages would allow me to do that? > >>> > >>> Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: > >>> > >>> * tkinter (Tk) > >>> * PyQt (Qt) > >>> * PySide (Qt) > >>> * wxPython (wxWidgets) > >>> * PyGObject (GTK) > >>> > >>> tkinter is included in Python's standard library. > >> > > > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/2023 1:28 PM, Thomas Passin wrote: On 4/1/2023 1:21 PM, Jim Schwartz wrote: Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. Depends on what you mean by "let me design the screen", but Pyside (which I think is now called Pyside2) may be suitable. It is part the Qt framework. I should have added that in my experience, the screen layout of controls is not the hardest and most time-consuming part of developing GUIs. The hard part is getting the screen elements and other components to do what you want in the way that you want it. For example, the Tk.Text class can be used as a fairly full-featured editor, but try figuring out how to highlight part of the text - not so obvious. Or say you decide you want to have a button flash when clicked, but you don't like the standard flash effect and want to change it. Those are a few of the kinds of things that you have to deal with and that soak up the time. It's not usually screen design. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Eryk Sun wrote: On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What packages would allow me to do that? Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: * tkinter (Tk) * PyQt (Qt) * PySide (Qt) * wxPython (wxWidgets) * PyGObject (GTK) tkinter is included in Python's standard library. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: > Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to > python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. > > Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it. For Qt, the WYSIWYG UI editor is Qt Designer. The basics are covered in the following PySide tutorial: https://www.pythonguis.com/pyside2-tutorial -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
Hi, On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 12:24 PM Jim Schwartz wrote: > > Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to > python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. Look at wxGlade (a project designed for wxWidgets). You will design you layout and then just save it as a py file. No conversion needed. And it's pretty straightforward. And very easy. You can do it in 5 min or less.. Thank you. I'm sure other libraries mentioned have their own RAD tool. > > Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Eryk Sun wrote: > > > > On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: > >> I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to > >> add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What > >> packages would allow me to do that? > > > > Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: > > > >* tkinter (Tk) > >* PyQt (Qt) > >* PySide (Qt) > >* wxPython (wxWidgets) > >* PyGObject (GTK) > > > > tkinter is included in Python's standard library. > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/2023 1:21 PM, Jim Schwartz wrote: Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. Depends on what you mean by "let me design the screen", but Pyside (which I think is now called Pyside2) may be suitable. It is part the Qt framework. Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Eryk Sun wrote: On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What packages would allow me to do that? Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: * tkinter (Tk) * PyQt (Qt) * PySide (Qt) * wxPython (wxWidgets) * PyGObject (GTK) tkinter is included in Python's standard library. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
Are there any ide’s that will let me design the screen and convert it to python? I doubt it because it was mentioned that this is time consuming. Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Eryk Sun wrote: > > On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: >> I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to >> add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What >> packages would allow me to do that? > > Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: > >* tkinter (Tk) >* PyQt (Qt) >* PySide (Qt) >* wxPython (wxWidgets) >* PyGObject (GTK) > > tkinter is included in Python's standard library. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/23, Jim Schwartz wrote: > I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to > add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What > packages would allow me to do that? Here are a few of the GUI toolkit libraries in common use: * tkinter (Tk) * PyQt (Qt) * PySide (Qt) * wxPython (wxWidgets) * PyGObject (GTK) tkinter is included in Python's standard library. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows Gui Frontend
On 4/1/2023 7:59 AM, Jim Schwartz wrote: I have another question. I have an app written in python, but I want to add a windows GUI front end to it. Can this be done in python? What packages would allow me to do that? WxWindows, Tk, and PyQt are some of the common ones. Be aware that GUI programming can soak up a lot of your time, so be prepared. If you want it to work on Linux as well (always a good idea), you will need to pay attention to file locations, paths, and path separators as well. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python not showing correct version
On 4/1/23, Barry Scott wrote: > > I find user environment on windows to be less flexible to work with then > adding a py.ini. On my Windows 11 I added > %userprofile%\AppData\Local\py.ini. > To make python 3.8 the default that py.exe uses put this in py.ini: > > [defaults] > python=3.8-64 > python3=3.8-64 Using "py.ini" has the advantage that launcher always reads the file. The value of the environment variables, on the other hand, may be stale. If you keep a lot of shells running, it would be tedious to have to manually update the PY_PYTHON* variables in each shell. That said, it should be rare that one needs to change the persisted default versions. For temporary changes, the PY_PYTHON* environment variables are more flexible and take precedence over "py.ini". If one doesn't use "py.ini" to set the defaults, it's easy to modify the persisted user environment using "setx.exe"[^1]. For example: setx.exe PY_PYTHON 3.8 setx.exe PY_PYTHON3 3.8 setx.exe broadcasts a WM_SETTINGCHANGE "Environment" window message, which causes Explorer to update its environment. Thus any program run from Explorer will see the new values. A program launched in a new tab in Windows Terminal also gets a fresh environment. However, existing CLI shells (CMD, PowerShell, bash), and programs started by them, will still have the old environment values. The latter is where using "py.ini" to set the defaults has the advantage. --- [^1]: Note that "setx.exe" should never be used to set the persisted user or machine "Path" value to the current %PATH%. When loading the environment, the user "Path" gets appended to the machine "Path". Setting the entire expanded and concatenated value to one or the other leads to a bloated, redundant PATH value, and it also loses the flexible configuration based on REG_EXPAND_SZ values. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows installer from python source code without access to source code
On 4/1/2023 5:24 AM, Jim Schwartz wrote: I am writing an app but I’m not sure I’ll sell it yet. I have it in a private GitHub location and GitHub prompts me for a license. I don’t really understand licenses so I just picked Apache 2.0. Maybe I’m going too far with my worry about which license I pick. I’m not selling it now so it doesn’t matter. I have to do a lot more work before I get to that point You can dual-license it - one license for free uses, one for commercial users. But read GitHub's terms of service to make sure your repo is going to continue to qualify - you might need to start paying them if your code goes commercial. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Windows Gui Frontend
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[Python-announce] Shed Skin 0.9.7 - native Windows support!
Hi all, I have just released version 0.9.7 of Shed Skin, a restricted-Python-to-C++ compiler. The highlight of this release is the migration to CMake (and Conan), to enable native Windows support. For more information about the release: http://blogfarts.blogspot.com/2023/04/shed-skin-restricted-python-to-c.html Project homepage: http://github.com/shedskin/shedskin Cheers, Mark. ___ Python-announce-list mailing list -- python-announce-list@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-announce-list-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-announce-list.python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Windows installer from python source code without access to source code
On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 at 20:24, Jim Schwartz wrote: > > I am writing an app but I’m not sure I’ll sell it yet. I have it in a private > GitHub location and GitHub prompts me for a license. I don’t really > understand licenses so I just picked Apache 2.0. Maybe I’m going too far with > my worry about which license I pick. I’m not selling it now so it doesn’t > matter. I have to do a lot more work before I get to that point > When you put license terms on something, that is a *legal statement*. Read the license you're applying and don't just pick for the sake of picking. By applying this license, you are granting legal permission for anyone to redistribute your code in source or object form. On the plus side, you've just made all questions of obfuscating your source code completely irrelevant :) ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ole version set as default
Am 29.03.2023 um 18:46 schrieb Pranav Bhardwaj: Dear sir, I am Pranav Bhardwaj and I stuck in a problem. My problem is that in my system I have python 3.11.2 but when I type python in my command prompt, my command prompt show that python version 2.7.13 as a default. And I can't be able to find python 2.7.13 in my system in any file and I tried various methods to set python 3.11.2 as a default but can't be able to do so. I tried to change environment variables, try to find and delete python 2.7.13 , try to set python 3.11.2 as default, but I can't be able to do so. So can you help me how can I solve this problem? Which OS is this? And what happens if you enter "python3" in your command prompt? HTH Sibylle -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python not showing correct version
> On 31 Mar 2023, at 22:02, Eryk Sun wrote: > > > The OP installed the standard Python 3.8 distribution, which does > install the launcher by default. The launcher can run all installed > versions, including store app installations. By default it runs the > highest available version, which will probably be the 3.10 store app > in the OP's case. To make 3.8 the default without having to remove > 3.10, set the environment variables "PY_PYTHON=3.8" and > "PY_PYTHON3=3.8" in the user environment. I find user environment on windows to be less flexible to work with then adding a py.ini. On my Windows 11 I added %userprofile%\AppData\Local\py.ini. To make python 3.8 the default that py.exe uses put this in py.ini: [defaults] python=3.8-64 python3=3.8-64 Barry > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows installer from python source code without access to source code
I am writing an app but I’m not sure I’ll sell it yet. I have it in a private GitHub location and GitHub prompts me for a license. I don’t really understand licenses so I just picked Apache 2.0. Maybe I’m going too far with my worry about which license I pick. I’m not selling it now so it doesn’t matter. I have to do a lot more work before I get to that point Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 at 10:34, Jim Schwartz wrote: >> >> Yea. You’re right. I probably need a lawyer someday. Thanks. >> > > If your needs are basic, you shouldn't need a lawyer. Copyright law > and treaties DO protect you. But it's important to be aware that no > amount of legal protection - whether you hire a lawyer or not, and > whether you identify copyright and license or not - will stop people > from copying your code. NOTHING will stop people from copying your > code if they have access to it. All you can do is discourage them. > > So that brings us back to the original question: Why protect your > *source code* specifically? There are two extremes available to > everyone: > > 1) Distribute the source code. Let everyone see it. Stick a license on > it that permits them to use it, modify it, distribute modified > versions. Set your code free and let it be used. > > 2) Don't distribute the program *at all*. Don't distribute the source > OR the binary. Instead, permit people to *access* the program - which, > in today's world, usually means a web service. > > Both of these are very popular and work well. I don't have access to > the Gmail source code but I'm using the service. I don't have access > to the Twitch.tv source code but I'm using the service. Meanwhile, I > have Python programs running on a Debian system using the Linux > kernel, invoked using bash, served from an ext4 mass storage device, > etc, etc. I have the binary code for all of these, and I'm legally > guaranteed access to the source if I want it, so there's no incentive > to steal it. > > The middle ground of "distribute binaries but stop people from > accessing the source" is a much narrower use-case, and I would say > that it's not actually a single use-case but a family of them, each > with different needs and requirements. So it's essential to know what > you're actually trying to protect, and why. > > ChrisA > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Windows installer from python source code without access to source code
On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 at 13:16, <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote: > > On 2023-04-01 at 10:49:18 +1100, > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > [...] I don't have access to the Gmail source code but I'm using the > > service [...] > > You have access to Gmail's front end source code. Your web browser runs > it every time you use the service (and probably while you aren't using > the service, too). Yes, and I'm talking about their back end source code, which I most definitely do NOT have access to, and therefore cannot copy. > My educated guess is that Google expended some > effort to hinder you from looking at and/or analyzing (or do you say > analysing?) that code, and that their lawyers will come knocking at your > metaphorical door if they so much as think you are using that code in > some way other than running it inside your web browser. If only this > situation were a cruel April Fool's Day joke. They haven't done very much, I happen to know this relating to other services. From what I can tell, Google's front ends aren't very well protected, for the simple reason that they're quite useless without the corresponding back ends. > You don't have access to Gmail's back end source code. > > Many/Most web apps follow this pattern to varying degrees. I do not > know whether this setup meets the OP's requirements. Exactly. That's why I pointed it out. This is the only way to truly protect your source code: Don't give it out. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
