Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 14/7/2013 1:57 πμ, ο/η Michael Torrie έγραψε: On 07/13/2013 12:23 PM, Νικόλας wrote: Do you know a way of implementing anyone of these methods to a script? Yes. Modern browsers all support a location API in the browser for javascript. See this: http://diveintohtml5.info/geolocation.html Lest say i embed inside my index.html the Javascript Geo Code. Is there a way to pass Javascript's outcome to my Python cgi script somehow? Can Javascript and Python Cgi somehow exchnage data? -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 9:17 μμ, ο/η Benjamin Kaplan έγραψε: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Νικόλας ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 13/7/2013 7:54 μμ, ο/η Dennis Lee Bieber έγραψε: Are you paying for a fixed IP number? I suspect you are if you were running a world-accessible server. Obviously a fixed IP will be tied to a fixed connection and thereby to a fixed location which can be provided to a location database. But most of us have DHCP assigned IP numbers, which change everytime we reboot our connection (or even when the DHCP lease expires -- which may be daily). Same networking scheme for me too, dynamic that is. Every time the DHCP lease expires or i reboot the router i get a new ip address but every time the link i provided states accurately that my ip address is from Thessaloníki and not Europe/Athens which is were my ISP location is. Not to mention that in facebook, no matter the way i'am joining, via smartphone, tablet, laptop it always pinpoints my exact location. But yes, i can understand your skepticism. An ip address can move anywhere while remaining connected to the same ISP, just like a networking device in the house, remains connected to the same router while changing rooms or even floors, or even buildings. But then how do you explain the fact that http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo pinpointed Thessaloníki and not Athens and for 2 friends of mine that use the same ISP as me but live in different cities also accurately identified their locations too? It's not telling you where your ISP is headquartered. It's telling you where the servers that you're connecting to are. In your case, you're connecting to servers that your Athens-based ISP has in a Thessaloniki datacenter. The only way to get an accurate location is to use something other than IP- phones like to use a combination of their GPS, a map of the cell phone towers, and a map of wi-fi hotspots (this is one of the things that Google's StreetView cars log as they drive). Actually that happens only for my ISP(FORTHnet). For other ISPs all locations boil down just to Europe/Athens. This happens to be because my ISP's network scheme is to assign blcoks of ip addresses per city in Greek area. Same thing doesn't apply for others ISPs unfortunately here in Greece. I have no idea how to implement the solution you proposed. These are nice ideas we need to have a way of implement them within a script. I have no way of grasping a map of cell towers of a map of wi-fi hotspots. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 14/7/2013 8:24 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM, ��� ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Can we get the location serived from lat/long coordinates? Yes, assuming you get accurate latitude and longitude, so you're back to square 1. ChrisA Dear Freelance, Thank you for your interest in MaxMind Web Services. We have set up a demo account which includes the following web service(s): GeoIP City Demo (1000 lookups available) Usage: http://geoip.maxmind.com/b?l=YOUR_LICENSE_KEYi=24.24.24.24 Example scripts may be found at: http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/web-services GeoIP City with ISP and Organization Demo (1000 lookups available) Usage: http://geoip.maxmind.com/f?l=YOUR_LICENSE_KEYi=24.24.24.24 Example scripts may be found at: http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/web-services Lets see if that would be of any help. Please try it too you can request a demo trial of maxminds Geo web services. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 8:53 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM, ��� ni...@superhost.gr wrote: 13/7/2013 2:04 ��, �/� Dennis Lee Bieber ��: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:47:38 +1000, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com declaimed the following: Oh, and just for laughs, I tried a few of my recent mobile IP addresses in the GeoIP lookup. All of them quoted Melbourne someplace, some in the CBD and some out in the suburbs, but all vastly wrong, and places I haven't been. But I'd never expect it to be accurate on those. Well... the MaxMind demo of my IP did get the proper metropolitan area... But they list the ISP as ATT... My real ISP is Earthlink (piggybacking on ATT DSL service). The Lat/Long, however shows as 42.9634 -85.6681 whereas a recent GPS readout shows 42.9159 -85.5541 or 2m50s too far north, and 6m50s too far west. Same website, accessed from my Blackberry phone, gave a result of United States, NA and location 38 -97 I have read all your answer very carefully but i still need some way of getting it done. All my Greek website visitors say they are from Europe/Athens which is the ISP's location and not user's homeland. Well it worked for me but as many other told me it wasn't accurate for them too. Please try this: http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo and tell me if maxmind's database can pippont you city's location. Nikos, you keep asking for a way to do the impossible. We keep telling you that it is impossible. No alternative technique will do what cannot be done! I just tried that on my two IPs and it was quite wrong on both of them - further wrong than some of the others have been. Stop expecting magic. ChrisA But it works for me, How can it be impossible and worked for me at the same time? Also i tried some other website that asked me to allow it to run a javascript on my browser and it pinpointed even my street! If it wasnt possbile then MaxMind would be seeling its GeoIP2 app for 1380$ per year. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 9:22 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM, ��� ni...@superhost.gr wrote: But it works for me, How can it be impossible and worked for me at the same time? If I roll ten six-sided dice, will they total 35? Maybe. Maybe they'll be close. But it's impossible to come up with a table for rolling those dice on that will guarantee you exactly 35 every time. I just had some other friends of me, who live in different cities around Greece to test the link i gave to you in my previous post and for all of them it returned the correct city of their origin. Seems like GeoIP2 is doing a better job that its predecessor GeopIP. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 7:54 μμ, ο/η Dennis Lee Bieber έγραψε: Are you paying for a fixed IP number? I suspect you are if you were running a world-accessible server. Obviously a fixed IP will be tied to a fixed connection and thereby to a fixed location which can be provided to a location database. But most of us have DHCP assigned IP numbers, which change everytime we reboot our connection (or even when the DHCP lease expires -- which may be daily). Same networking scheme for me too, dynamic that is. Every time the DHCP lease expires or i reboot the router i get a new ip address but every time the link i provided states accurately that my ip address is from Thessaloníki and not Europe/Athens which is were my ISP location is. Not to mention that in facebook, no matter the way i'am joining, via smartphone, tablet, laptop it always pinpoints my exact location. But yes, i can understand your skepticism. An ip address can move anywhere while remaining connected to the same ISP, just like a networking device in the house, remains connected to the same router while changing rooms or even floors, or even buildings. But then how do you explain the fact that http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo pinpointed Thessaloníki and not Athens and for 2 friends of mine that use the same ISP as me but live in different cities also accurately identified their locations too? I -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 9:19 μμ, ο/η Roy Smith έγραψε: In article krs3jj$vnq$1...@news.grnet.gr, ÉΪÉ«É»όλας ni...@superhost.gr wrote: But then how do you explain the fact that http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo pinpointed Thessalon£ki and not Athens and for 2 friends of mine that use the same ISP as me but live in different cities also accurately identified their locations too? I just tried 24.136.109.105 on that demo. It comes up with: US Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, United States, North America 07632 40.8915, -73.9471 Time Warner Cable Time Warner Cable rr.com 501 Not bad. Google street view shows that as a very pretty residential neighborhood in one of New York's fancier suburbs. Unfortunately, it happens to be in run-down industrial building in a factory district about 20 km away. There are lots of interesting (and superior) ways to do geolocation other than looking up IP addresses. Here's a few: 1) GPS. Obviously, if you're on a device that has a GPS receiver and you have access to that data, and you've got a good signal, nothing is going to beat GPS. Well, other than Glonass. And Galileo and IRNSS, whenever they become operational. And whatever the Chinese are calling theirs. 2) Cell (i.e. mobile) phone tower triangulation. The phone systems know where all the towers are and know which towers your phone is receiving signal from. Since they know the signal strengths from each of those towers, they can do a rough triangulation. It's kind of messy since signal propagation depends terrain and obstructions which aren't well mapped. But it's better than nothing. 3) WiFi triangulation. Right now, I can see four WiFi networks (Worb, J24, MusicWiFi, and jcglinksys). There are databases of WiFi network names and approximate locations (obtained by wardriving and other ways). If you can see enough networks, it's easy to look in the database and figure out where you must be. 4) Who knows what the future will bring. I suppose some day, inertial nav will become cheap enough that we'll all be walking around with INS in our phones. In general, mobile operating systems control direct access to all of these signals and only allow applications to get the location data when the user agrees to such access. Do you know a way of implementing anyone of these methods to a script? -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 9:21 μμ, ο/η Dennis Lee Bieber έγραψε: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:43:14 +0300, ??? ni...@superhost.gr declaimed the following: But then how do you explain the fact that http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo pinpointed Thessalon�ki and not Athens and for 2 friends of mine that use the same ISP as me but live in different cities also accurately identified their locations too? You have encountered an ISP that reserves IP blocks for specific suburbs/cities -- and can be tracked thereby. That is, all IPs in xxx.yyy.zzz.??? may be held for just one neighborhood (granted, I've defined an old class C network there, but modern network assignments are no longer in A/B/C (8/16/24 bit network address, with 24/16/8 bit node addresses) assignments. It all comes down to how the ISP allocates addresses. It may be that (as in my case) the ISP is irrelevant -- the IP is issued by the phone company that actually provides the DSL, and a block of IPs is allocated to each central office of that phone company... And thereby, regardless of the lease renewal, the IP is still identified as belonging to that central office location (or whatever location the phone company supplies to the location service for the IP block). You are right and i can back this up. While FORTHnet ISP(my ISP) works well with maxmind which can pinpoint the visitor's exact location other ISPs like Cyta, OTEnet, HOL always says Europe/Athens. So it seems that all boil down to the way the ISP configure its blocks of ip addresses per city. All should do the same and then it would be an easy task to accurately identify a visitor by its ip address. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Can we get the location serived from lat/long coordinates? Using a mapping service you can create a query that asks what is the smallest region that contains points [(x1, y1), (x2, y2),...] and use that as our geolocate answer? That should work, can you show me how such thing can be done please? -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Hello, iam still looking for a way to identify the city of my website
visitors.
The closet i have gone is to come up with the visitor's ISP city:
try:
gi = pygeoip.GeoIP('/usr/local/share/GeoLiteCity.dat')
city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] )
host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] )[0]
except Exception as e:
host = repr(e)
But today i was searching again for this and found out about geoip2,
maybe that would help more.
import geoip2
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
ImportError: No module named 'geoip2'
client = geoip2.webservices.Client(42, 'abcdef123456')
omni = client.omni('24.24.24.24')
country = omni.country
print(country.iso_code)
I cant even import the module even though my 'pip install geopip2' was
successful
There is definately i way to identify the users location based solely on
its ip address as this site does it: http://www.geoiptool.com/
Google, MS, facebook and twitter are not the only ones that can do it?
Perhaps this is being done by giving longitude and latitude?
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Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 12/7/2013 6:32 μμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε: I suggest you read that geoiptool site, in particular the page http://www.geoiptool.com/en/ip_info/ There is some misinformation, but notice carefully the part about dynamic IP addresses. Probably 99% of the individual users on the web (the ones using a browser) have dynamic IP addresses. The fixed ones are needed by servers, and especially for DNS use, where the name lookup wants to be stable for relatively log periods of time. I did, for me it gives exact city location and not the ISP's city location. I dont know whay for you ti just says Kansas, it shoudln't, since it susing longitute and latitude, it should have been accurate. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
I know i have asked before but hwta i get is ISP city not visitors precise city. GeoLiteCity.dat isnt accurate that's why it comes for free. i must somehow get access to GeoIPCity.dat which is the full version. And of course it can be done, i dont want to believe that it cant. When visiting http://www.geoiptool.com/en/__ip_info/ it pinpoints my _exact_ city of living, not the ISP's. It did not even ask me to allow a geop ip javascript to run it present sit instantly. So, it certainly is possible if only one can find the correct database to use. So, my question now is, if there is some way we can get an accurate Geo City database. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 1:07 πμ, ο/η MRAB έγραψε: Have you considered that your ISP might be in the same city as you? According to geoiptool, my ISP is near Leeds, UK, but the important point is that _I'm not_. My ISP is in Athens and i live in Thessaloníki and it returned back Thessaloníki not Athens, which it was accurate for me. I dont know why it was not accurate for the other members here. And of course if you are using a proxy then the GeoIP tool has no way of telling the real location of the visitor but the proxy's location in stead. Also in another page which it asked me if i allow it to run a javascipt Geo app and i replied positively it gave me my exact city and street number too! So many sites can identify accurately the correct city and even street some times, so there must be a way. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GeoIP2 for retrieving city and region ?
Στις 13/7/2013 2:04 πμ, ο/η Dennis Lee Bieber έγραψε: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:47:38 +1000, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com declaimed the following: Oh, and just for laughs, I tried a few of my recent mobile IP addresses in the GeoIP lookup. All of them quoted Melbourne someplace, some in the CBD and some out in the suburbs, but all vastly wrong, and places I haven't been. But I'd never expect it to be accurate on those. Well... the MaxMind demo of my IP did get the proper metropolitan area... But they list the ISP as ATT... My real ISP is Earthlink (piggybacking on ATT DSL service). The Lat/Long, however shows as 42.9634 -85.6681 whereas a recent GPS readout shows 42.9159 -85.5541 or 2m50s too far north, and 6m50s too far west. Same website, accessed from my Blackberry phone, gave a result of United States, NA and location 38 -97 I have read all your answer very carefully but i still need some way of getting it done. All my Greek website visitors say they are from Europe/Athens which is the ISP's location and not user's homeland. Well it worked for me but as many other told me it wasn't accurate for them too. Please try this: http://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip_demo and tell me if maxmind's database can pippont you city's location. Thank you. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
