Re: Is mod_python 3.1 good for commercial blogging/CMS?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony L. wrote: 1. I want to use CGI through Publisher handler, instead of CGI handler or PSP. Despite the speed increase mod_python gives me, there is a problem of persistence that can be a problem when dealing with a site that will hosts potentially hundreds of simultaneous users. What problem? Could you elaborate further? Hi Ben. This is what I myself am trying to find out. From what I gather, hosts dislike long running processes, and so one reason for not supporting Python and mod_python is that, plus multiple instances of the python interpreter. Granted, a lot of this looks like old information combined with FUD, so I am suspicious. After all, high-traffic sites using mod_perl seem okay. In theory, people use these templates to /improve/ the separation between logic and presentation. When you just use req.write() you're inevitably mixing logic and presentation. At least with the template systems, you do the presentation once and the logic fills in the gaps. It's even possible to edit the presentation in many WYSIWYG web editors without affecting the code. Yes, I see your point. In this case it works for me (at the moment) because the HTML design will remain as is without subject to editing, whereas the look and feel (controlled by CSS) will be user-editable. I don't think performance is a factor, really. HTML templates tend to exist so that you can structure the page without worrying about the Python code. They work well for fairly uniform pages that largely require the same sort of data on each page. I am more of a programmer than a designer so I prefer to think in terms of code and emit HTML as it suits me. Okay, I might have been unfair in looking away from PSP then. Thanks Ben. Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is mod_python 3.1 good for commercial blogging/CMS?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Francois Lepoutre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. I am not very attracted to PSP because I want to separate the logic from the presentation as completely as possible [...] In view of your project why not consider cherrypy as well? It may be an alternative to consider. Hi Francois, I'm getting more open to considering other frameworks. As I mentioned earlier, I am aware that I am swimming against the current by not simply using Apache 1 and PHP, so I wanted to avoid investing in yet another esoteric piece of software. Thankfully, after a discussion with some prospective hosts today, I have the freedom to consider CherryPy and Django. manipulation, database calls, and some very minor mathematics. If the Apache 1.3 series mod works fine, can I relieve myself of some stress and go with that combo? Why not? But why not work with apache 2.x. mod_python works fine on this platform. Oh, it's not that I have anything against Apache 2. My preference is to work with mod_python 3, and that requires Apache 2, which I want. I was just considering a less desirable pythonic option. Even among commodity shared hosting providers I've found the presence of earlier versions of python and mod_python. no FUD here. Read the mod_python carefully, run your tests and make up your choice. This is definitely a workable environment. Francois Thanks Francois. I am going to stick with Python for this. As it turns out, I'll have the freedom to use the software configuration I want, so now I don't have to worry about committing to Python, only discover that my Python code is useable only as a prototype for PHP or Perl. :) Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is mod_python 3.1 good for commercial blogging/CMS?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) wrote: Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] It as not easy to work with the CGI-style code in a WYSIWYG web editor as it is to edit a template, which is probably the main reason for their use. Also, coding everything with req.write() means that each [...] You seem to believe CGI is incompatible with templating. Why? The two are entirely independent of each other. John He was just referring to the idea of me perhaps editing the HTML markup in my Python code using an IDE like Dreamweaver and having a difficult time. I agree, editing an HTML doc in a WYSIWYG environment would be easier than me fishing through my req.write() calls and my strings to find my markup - which is what I am doing at the moment. Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Is mod_python 3.1 good for commercial blogging/CMS?
I am writing a web application that is comparable to a content management system used in blogging. I really want to use Python after having done some evaluation coding using Python 2.3.5 with mod_python 3.1.4 running on Apache 2.0 with the Publisher handler. However, I am still very hesitant to settle on Python. All my research brings up the same collection of scant articles and old mailing list messages that reference each other. I am not interested in using frameworks, partly because I am confused by them, but mostly because I don't want to add another layer of software complexity on top of my code since I already am expecting a hard time finding low-cost dedicated hosting with Apache 2 and mod_python 3 support. I have made a few assumptions regarding Python and mod_python's value. Hopefully the experts here can help correct any of my assumptions and give me some more comfort in committing to Python. 1. I want to use CGI through Publisher handler, instead of CGI handler or PSP. Despite the speed increase mod_python gives me, there is a problem of persistence that can be a problem when dealing with a site that will hosts potentially hundreds of simultaneous users. 2. I have found nothing to quantify the stability and reliability of mod_python 3, and in the absence of a list of major commercial sites that use mod_python, I am left feeling as is there might be technical (read as stability/security) reasons to favor mod_perl over mod_python. 3. I am not very attracted to PSP because I want to separate the logic from the presentation as completely as possible, and PHP and other template languages including PSP seem difficult to do that in. Learning template systems like PyMeld is an unattractive option for me since I don't understand their benefit. Why can't I just use req.write() to output my markup, relying completely on external CSS after the fact? My thought is that HTML templates provide a minimum set of static code that doesn't require extra processing, thus keeping performance up. However, if I minimize my use of req.write() will it make a difference? 4 A final question, is mod_python 2.7 suitable for use in a commercial production system? All I'm doing is text processing, string manipulation, database calls, and some very minor mathematics. If the Apache 1.3 series mod works fine, can I relieve myself of some stress and go with that combo? I'd appreciate some practical advise on this. I am funding this myself on a small budget with no hard deadline, so it is critical to me that I choose a language that will minimize my costs. Are my assumptions correct, or am I falling prey to FUD? Anthony -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
