ping script

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

simple ping check script with python3 (Python 3.9.2)
tested under Debian 11 Bullseye:

soyeomul@penguin:~/gitlab/test$ ./fping.py localhost
ok
soyeomul@penguin:~/gitlab/test$ ./fping.py python.org
ok
soyeomul@penguin:~/gitlab/test$ ./fping.py python3.org
python3.org: No address associated with hostname
something is wrong...
soyeomul@penguin:~/gitlab/test$ 

Signed-off-by: Byung-Hee HWANG 
---
 fping.py | 31 +++
 1 file changed, 31 insertions(+)
 create mode 100755 fping.py

diff --git a/fping.py b/fping.py
new file mode 100755
index 000..ccc1e58
--- /dev/null
+++ b/fping.py
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+#!/usr/bin/env python3
+# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
+
+from subprocess import PIPE, Popen
+from os import path
+import sys
+
+"""
+REFERENCE:
+<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2022-February/thread.html#905156>
+"""
+
+if not path.isfile('/usr/bin/fping'):
+sys.exit("you first install fping, then try again...")
+
+def check(xyz):
+cmd = "fping %s" % (xyz)
+try_ = Popen(cmd, stdout=PIPE, shell=True)
+output = try_.communicate()[0].decode("utf-8")
+
+return output
+
+
+if __name__ == "__main__":
+xyz = sys.argv[1]
+if "alive" in check(xyz):
+print("ok")
+else:
+print("something is wrong...")
+
+# 2022-02-27, GNU Emacs 27.1 (Debian 11 Bullseye)
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

Andrew Z  께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文  에서》:

> Gents,
>  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
> workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
> members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
> please advise..
>
> P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...

It would be nice "gmane.comp.python.general" via NNTP, there are no spam. 

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Solved (Was: Re: [Q] days -> months)

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

Oh never mind it, after so many trial and error, i did make months
format with success, thanks!!! 

Sincerely, Byung-Hee.

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[Q] days -> months

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In real life, i am breeding Hanwoo(Korean cattle), about 100 head of
cattle. About 50 days ago, i got one young cattle. The name is
"Bullseye". I love Bullseye. Until the Bullseye is released by butchery,
i would like to maintain him with his age. So thus i did write some
humble code to identify his age [1]. 

By the way i did fail to chage the format "days" to "months". How? Of
course i want Python way!

Sincerely, 

[1]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/soyeomul/Gnus/MaGnus/thanks-bullseye-age.rb.gnus

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Re: python in chromebook

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

attend <att...@home.srv> 께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文 <s9pgB.472211$YS2.57569@fx11.am4> 에서》:

> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:03:29 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>
>> my computer is chromebook. how can i install python in chromebook?
>> barely i did meet develop mode of chromebook. also i'm new to python.
>> 
>> INDEED, i want to make python code on my chromebook.
>> 
>> thanks in avance!!!
>
> google crouton chromebook

Possibly i would like to install python under Chrome OS. Anyway thanks!

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Re: Issues with Python

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Ode Idoko via Python-list  께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文  에서》:

> ... it will display syntax error with ...

Maybe, you did copy & paste, just i guess ... if not, ignore it.

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Re: python in chromebook

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boB Stepp  께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文
 
 에서》:

> Googling for "python on chromebook" tends to bring up Python 2-slanted
> info; searching for "python 3 on chromebook" for Python 3-slanted
> results should give you useful info.  A quick scan suggests there are
> two approaches:  (1) Going into developer mode on your Chromebook and
> installing Python normally, or (2) going to the app store and
> installing a Python shell that runs in your browser.  Myself, I would
> prefer (1), but I have never had a Chromebook, so that may not fit in
> with what you wish to do.

OK, i will try it, thanks!!!

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python in chromebook

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

my computer is chromebook. how can i install python in chromebook?
barely i did meet develop mode of chromebook. also i'm new to
python. 

INDEED, i want to make python code on my chromebook. 

thanks in avance!!!  

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python install in chromebook

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

firstly i did fail to send message via mailing list so i try again with
usenet here comp.lang.python. i want to install python in chromebook
because i have chromebook and i want to make code of python. somebody
could help me, i believe. thanks in advance...

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Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Nigel Rantor wig...@wiggly.org writes:

 Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
 On Sunday 30 August 2009 22:46:49 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

 Rather elitist viewpoint... Why don't we just drop nukes on some 60%
 of populated landmasses that don't have a western culture and avoid
 the whole problem?

 Now yer talking, boyo!  It will surely help with the basic problem
 which is the heavy infestation of people on the planet!
 :-)

 bait
 On two conditions:

 1) We drop some test bombs on Slough to satisfy Betjeman.

 2) We strap both Xah and r to aforementioned bombs.
 /bait

 switch
 Also, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Esperanto yet. Sounds like
 something r and Xah would *love*.

 Slightly off-topic - does anyone have a good recipe for getting
 thunderbird to kill whole threads for good? Either based on a rule or
 just some extension I can use?

 The Xah/r threads are like car crashes, I can't help but watch but my
 time could be better spent and I don't want to unsub the whole list.
 /switch

Please do not insult Xah. He spoke nothing in this threads. 

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Re: Why does this group have so much spam?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

casebash walkr...@gmail.com writes:

 So much of it could be removed even by simple keyword filtering.

Use python-list@python.org [1], instead.

[1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Re: A Exhibition Of Tech Geekers Incompetence: Emacs whitespace-mode

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes:

 • A Exhibition Of Tech Geekers Incompetence: Emacs whitespace-mode
   http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/emacs_whitespace-mode_problems.html
 [... snip 38 lines ...]

OK, Xah, thanks for good writing, i'll read it 27 hours later. And i
respect for your passion on Elisp, Python and text processing. BTW, i
don't agree with your thought that you dislike FSF. FSF is not bad
guy. Xah plz... 

Sincerely,

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Re: www.python.org website is down?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Caezar lcaza...@gmail.com writes:

 I cannot connect to the official Python website. I get the following
 error message:

 Connection Interrupted
 The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
 The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection.
 Please try again.

 Are you experiencing the same problem?

Yes, me, too. Now i can't open the URL www.python.org ;;

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Re: Ban Xah Lee

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes:

 On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:38:24 +0900
 Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote:
 Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes:
 [snip]
 Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do
 not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0?

 So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those
 that block him will see them anyway, right?  Wrong.  We'll just block
 your posts too.

 *plonk*

Xah i know is a crazy critic, not bad guy.
Let's respond with critique for a critique, not ban.

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Re: Ban Xah Lee

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Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes:

 Of interest:

 • Why Can't You Be Normal?
   http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html

 • Ban Xah Lee
   http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ban_Xah_Lee.html

 I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped
 about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many
 of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever
 participate.

 Plain text version one of the above article follows.
 ---

 Ban Xah Lee

 Xah Lee, 2009-03-07

 This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me,
 in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political
 nature among the tech geeking males.

 HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA

 I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of
 comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me
 off. This happened in 2006.

 Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude
 manner to “comp.lang.*” newsgroups. I was using Google's newsgroup
 service to post it, and has nothing to do with my web hosting service
 provider, other than my signature containing my website or links to
 relevant articles on my website. However, this guy digs up my web
 hosting provider, and lobbied people to send complains to kick me off.

 Detailed account: DreamHost.com and A Incidence of Harassment

 WIKIPEDIA

 My Wikipedia account P0lyglut is banned by Wikipedia admins in
 ~2008-06 for a month or so.

 Summary: i was editing articles on Tibet, Human sacrifice, Dalai Lama,
 citing info from Chinese historian Li Ao, and was fighting with those
 who revert me in a non-conformal way. They banned me for editing, and
 subsequently banned me from editing my talk page, and removed the
 defense i gave on my talk page.

 The original reason for reverting my editing was that i linked to my
 own website (which contains the collected videos of Li Ao's program on
 youtube, with English translation and summary). Subsequently, because
 i did not behave in a way that seems “polite” to them, and kept on
 fighting, the reason they cited to ban me was spreading propaganda.

 For some account of this incident, see bottom of: Why Can't You Be
 Normal?. The fighting and discussion can be seen on my talk page, at:
 User talk:P0lyglut. The writing where i defended my edit, that got
 removed from my talk page, is here: Wikipedia User talk:P0lyglut ...
 2008-07. Local copy of these at: Wikipedia_ban_2008-06.zip.

 FREENODE IRC EMACS CHANNEL

 I'm banned on Freenode's irc emacs channel since about 2006-10, and
 the ban was never lifted as of 2009-03. The ban is primarily, and
 single-handedly executed by John Sullivan (aka johnsu01).

 Some detail: Emacs Irc Channel Ban On Xah Lee.

 HACKER NEWS

 “Hacker News” website, at http://news.ycombinator.com/, banned me
 around 2009-02 or earlier.

 Someone posted a question about why some sites seem to be banned,
 titled “Ask PG- What is the list of banned sites and why are they
 banned”. He asked for reasons or a public list. The url is at Source.
 (local archive: Hacker_News_xahlee.org_ban.zip) Then, someone posted
 the list of domains/sub-domains that are banned, which contains my
 site “xahlee.org”.

 No explicit reason is given. It appears to me, it was banned because
 one of my essay: Why Software Suck, has been submitted to the site in
 2009-02, then in the discussion, someone mentioned i am a troll, then
 admin placed my site on ban.

 There are other bans that i consider unjust. This page is a start to
 list them. I'll try to add more when i have time.

Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do
not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0?

Sincerely,

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Re: SPAM

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

dear just bob,

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:43 -0800, just bob wrote:
 John Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:04:35 -0800, just bob
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  Your SPAM appears to be non-existent. Vapourware. Not real.
 
  Shame, I fancied a Spam fritter.
 
 
 The guy gets Google dollars when people view the site or click on links, me 
 thinks. It's spam. 

please read the rfc4871 if you want to attack izb.knu.ac.kr ;;

respect,
bh

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to be killed. Do you know who set him up? Tessio. So Tessio had to be killed.
Carlo had to be killed. Because treachery can't be forgiven. Michael could
have forgiven it, but people never forgive themselves and so they would always
be dangerous. Michael really liked Tessio. He loves his sister. But he would
be shrinking his duty to you and his children, to his whole family, to me and
my family, if he let Tessio and Carlo go free. They would have been a danger
to us all, all our lives.
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Re: LaTeX tutorial updated

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 00:10 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 6, 12:30 pm, Nicola Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I've updated my Using LaTeX to write a PhD thesis tutorial. Both PDF
  and HTML versions can be reached via 
  http://theoval.cmp.uea.ac.uk/~nlct/latex/
 
  I have added/deleted sections, so if you have any links to document
  nodes (i.e. files that are of the form node*.html) you may have to
  update your links.
 
  Regards
  Nicola Talbot
 
 very nice.

+1 ;;

And i added the above URL in my bookmarks, thanks!

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Re: TeX pestilence (was Distributed RVS, Darcs, tech love)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:48 +0200, Wildemar Wildenburger wrote:
 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 12:19 -0400, Lew wrote:
  [something attackish]
  
  Well, you are making a personal attack, it's dangerous. I wish to see
  only discussions about TeX ;;
  
 
 On a python group?
 
 Also: Lew won't see your post, he's on c.l.java.*

oh my god..;;

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Re: TeX pestilence (was Distributed RVS, Darcs, tech love)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 12:19 -0400, Lew wrote:
 Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  4. Inargurated a massive collection of documents that are invalid
  HTML. (due to the programing moron's ingorance and need to idolize a
  leader, and TeX's inherent problem of being a typesetting system that
  is unsuitable of representing any structure or semantics)
 
 There's something a little fey about someone calling out a programing [sic] 
 moron's ingorance [sic] and then devolving right into blue speech.
 
 I think Xah Lee should look into:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Well, you are making a personal attack, it's dangerous. I wish to see
only discussions about TeX ;;

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Re: Elisp Tutorial: HTML Syntax Coloring Code Block

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Steve,

On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 08:30 -0400, Steve Holden wrote:
 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
 [... whole article quoted ...]
  +1 ;;
  BTW, what is G2/1.0? Is that Emacs-like editor?
  
 I can't tell you that, but I do know that someone who quotes a whole 
 lengthy article like that just to ask a simple question isn't being very 
 considerate of their readers.

You're the only guy who has read the my comment. Thanks!

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Re: Distributed RVS, Darcs, tech love

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 20:28 -0700, Xah Lee wrote:
 When i first heard about distributed revision control system about 2
 years ago, i heard of Darcs, which is written in Haskell. I was hugely
 excited, thinking about the functional programing i love, and the no-
 side effect pure system i idolize, and the technology of human animal
 i rapture in daily.
 
 I have no serious actual need to use a revision system (RVS) in recent
 years, so i never really tried Darcs (nor using any RVS). I just
 thought the new-fangled distributed tech in combination of Haskell was
 great.
 
 About few months ago, i was updating a 6-year old page i wrote on unix
 tools: ( http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/usoft.html ) and i was
 trying to update myself on the current state of art of revision
 systems. I read Wikipedia this passage:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcs
 
 « Darcs currently has a number of significant bugs (see e.g. [1]). The
 most severe of them is the Conflict bug - an exponential blowup in
 time needed to perform conflict resolution during merges, reaching
 into the hours and days for large repositories. A redesign of the
 repository format and wide-ranging changes in the codebase are planned
 in order to fix this bug, and work on this is planned to start in
 Spring 2007 [2].  »
 
 This somewhat bursted my bubble, as there always was some doubt in the
 back of my mind about just how Darcs is not just a fantasy-ware
 trumpeted by a bunch of functional tech geekers. (i heard of Darcs in
 irc emacs and haskell channels, who are often student and hobbiests
 programers)
 
 Also, in my light research, it was to my surprise, that Darcs is not
 the only distributed systems, and perhaps not the first one neither,
 contrary to my impressions. In fact, today there are quite a LOT
 distributed revision systems, actually as a norm. When one looks into
 these, such as Git ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) ) one
 finds that some of them are already in practical industrial use for
 large projects, as opposed to Darcs's academic/hobbist kind of
 community.
 
 In addition to these findings, one additional that greatly pissed me
 off entirely about Darcs, is the intro of the author (David Roundy)'s
 essay about his (questionable-sounding) “theory of patches” used in
 Darcs. ( http://darcs.net/manual/node8.html#Patch )
 
 Here's the 2 passages:
 
 «I think a little background on the author is in order. I am a
 physicist, and think like a physicist. The proofs and theorems given
 here are what I would call ``physicist'' proofs and theorems, which is
 to say that while the proofs may not be rigorous, they are practical,
 and the theorems are intended to give physical insight. It would be
 great to have a mathematician work on this, but I am not a
 mathematician, and don't care for math.»
 
 «From the beginning of this theory, which originated as the result of
 a series of email discussions with Tom Lord, I have looked at patches
 as being analogous to the operators of quantum mechanics. I include in
 this appendix footnotes explaining the theory of patches in terms of
 the theory of quantum mechanics. I know that for most people this
 won't help at all, but many of my friends (and as I write this all
 three of darcs' users) are physicists, and this will be helpful to
 them. To non-physicists, perhaps it will provide some insight into how
 at least this physicist thinks.»
 
 I love math. I respect Math. I'm nothing but a menial servant to
 Mathematics. Who the fuck is this David guy, who proclaims that he's
 no mathematician, then proceed to tell us he dosen't fucking care
 about math? Then, he went on about HIS personal fucking zeal for
 physics, in particular injecting the highly quacky “quantum mechanics”
 with impunity.

I'm gonna like your writings with all respect. Actually your writings
has the quiet force. See you often ;;

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Re: Elisp Tutorial: HTML Syntax Coloring Code Block

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

 existing code has been
 so newly colorized, the part of code to transform strings for un-
 htmlize is no longer necessary, so they are taken out in htmlize-block
 and resumes a cleaner state. Also, htmlize-block went thru many
 revisions over the year. Sometimes in recent past, i had one code
 wrapper for each language. For example, i had htmlize-me-perl, htmlize-
 me-python, htmlize-me-java, etc. The need for unification into a
 single coherent wrapper code didn't materialize. In general, it is my
 experience, in particular in writing elisp customization for emacs,
 that tweaking code periodically thru the year is practical, because it
 adapts to the constant changes of requirements, environment, work
 process. For example, eventually i might write my own htmlize.el, if i
 happen to need more flexibility, or if my elisp experience
 sufficiently makes the job relatively easy.
 
 Also note: a whole-sale solution is to write a program, in say,
 Python, that process html files and replace proper sections by
 htmlized string. This is perhaps more efficient if all the existing
 html files are in some uniform format. However, i need to work on my
 tutorials on a case-by-case basis. In part, because, some pages
 contain multiple languages or contains pseudo-code that i do not wish
 colorized. (For example, some pages contains codes of the Mathematica↗
 language. Mathematica code is normally done in Mathematica's
 mathematical typesetting capable “front-end” IDE called “Notebook” and
 is not “syntax-colored” as such.)

+1 ;;
BTW, what is G2/1.0? Is that Emacs-like editor?

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Re: why doesn't have this list a reply-to ?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:45 +0200, stef mientki wrote:
 hello,
 
 I'm always have great difficulties, replying to this beautiful and 
 helpful list.
 
 When I hit the reply button,
 the message is sent personally to the sender and not to the list.
 I've subscribed to dozen's of lists,
 and all have an reply-to address, that points to list and not to the 
 individual.

Just click Ctrl-L, then you can reply to lists directly if you use
good mailer like mutt or thunderbird or evolution ;; 

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Yeah, OK, let me think about it.
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Re: Top Programming Languages of 2013

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 17:54 +0200, Wildemar Wildenburger wrote:
 Kay Schluehr wrote:
  On Oct 7, 8:05 am, Dick Moores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.redcanary.ca/view/top-programming
 
  Dick Moores
  
  Despite my doubts that Ajax and .NET will be programming languages in
  2013 a more interesting question is: what could push Python forward
  s.t. it eats such a large piece of the PL cake?
  
 import friends
 import sex
 
 try:
  sex.have()
 except ErrectionError, PrematureError:
  pass
 finally:
  sex.brag(friends)

Good! But. 
I think a kiss is elegant more than a sex.
What do you think of?

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Can you please give me some advice?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Hi there,

What is different between Ruby and Python? I am wondering what language
is really mine for work. Somebody tell me Ruby is clean or Python is
really easy! Anyway I will really make decision today what I have to
study from now on. What I make the decision is more difficult than to
know why I have to learn English. Yeah I do not like to learn English
because it is just very painful..

Can you please give me some advice?  

Byung-Hee

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Re: Can you please give me some advice?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 12:33 +0200, morphine wrote:
 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
 
  Hi there,
  
  What is different between Ruby and Python? I am wondering what language
  is really mine for work. Somebody tell me Ruby is clean or Python is
  really easy! Anyway I will really make decision today what I have to
  study from now on. 
 
 What kind of advice do you expect on a NG called comp.lang.PYTHON ?

Your advice is the best.. really it hit my head very strongly..

 
  What I make the decision is more difficult than to 
  know why I have to learn English. Yeah I do not like to learn English
  because it is just very painful..
 
 Then stop learning it ;)
 ^^^
You are bad.. I'm really pain..

sorry for noise.. but I really wanted to say about the above matters.. 


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Re: Can you please give me some advice?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 10:36 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...snip...]
 Sorry about the English.
That's alright. I am always struggling against English. It is not
strange now. Thank you for your kindness.

Byung-Hee

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Re: Can you please give me some advice?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 17:27 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know nothing of Ruby, but just the fact that in Ruby the Hello World
 program is
 
 puts 'Hello, World!'
 
 whereas the Python Hello World program is
 
 print 'Hello, World!'
 
 suggests to me that Python is more intuitive because the word print
 has a meaning in English that makes sense given what you want to do,
 but puts just doesn't.  And, as someone who has been learning Python
 from almost no knowledge of programming, I've found it is not too bad
 in trying to keep as reasonably close to a natural language like
 English
 as possible.
 
 I also think the mandatory indenting of Python is helpful in forcing
 new programmers to be neat and see code blocks quickly.  Plus I doubt
 the Ruby community has such a large group of helpful people and
 libraries
 and such (but I could be wrong about that, just assuming it based on
 the
 fact that Python has been around longer).
 
 On the other hand, perhaps because Ruby is newer it has been able to
 freshly start with advantages learned from the difficulties of other
 languages.  Byung-Hee Hwang ought to go the Ruby group and see what
 they are saying.
 
 As far as English goes, Byung-Hee, you have to admit English grammar
 is easy (though spelling is not so easy).  That anyone can speak and
 write Chinese is impressive to me, as the language looks completely
 impossible!  Good luck!
 
I read above your comments all. It will be good reason for my decision
must be Python. Anyway, your guidance has been useful and is greatly
appreciated. Okay, I will study English very hardly, as well. Thanks,
again!

Byung-Hee
 

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